Got to love the NCAA...

[ctchamps]

Valid complaint. However, this was a transitional situation. Facey was recruited around the time things change with the AD department. Should that department have made sure all the i's were crossed and the t's dotted. Absolutely. They made a mistake. But what I like about SH and WM is they take steps to try and reduce the mistakes. The hire of Angie Cretors is the step that makes your arguments moot.

And yes I know I'm replying to myself. The sad thing is that UConn is making the correct call with the Crestors hire but it could have an unintended negative consequence with Facey.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...nt-director-leaves-ncaa-manziel-case-affected

 

[huskymedic]

...My point that he came for "basketball purposes" is relevant because that is what the issue is about. Did he extend his high school career to improve as a basketball player or did he do it because he wasn't academically qualified to graduate? If Facey came to LI Lutheran because his father got transferred to Long Island, then it is a much easier case, I think. He moved here, enrolled in high school and the high school determined he was academically a sophomore. But when he comes primarily for basketball, it raises another flag. did the school determine he was a sophomore or did the coach do that? Same with the transfer. If he finishes his Jr year at School X and transferred to School Y and repeats his Jr year, was that because he needed to improve academics, or because the coach though he needed another year to improve his putbacks? When you combine all the stuff, the NCAA did what was easiest for them and ruled the way it did. Now there is an opportunity to give them the information about his earlier schooling in Jamaica, the decisions made by school officials at his 2 high schools and make a better determination.

There is enough anecdotal info out there to support the questions being raised by the NCAA:

"One of those men that especially saw his raw talent at the time was Stephen Johnston, of the Jamaica Basketball Development, INC. An organization that sees the athletic, and academic potential in Jamaican youth, and helps them to achieve success with their skills. With the help of Mr. Johnston Kentan came to the U.S., 3 years ago he attended Upper Room Christian School in Dix Hills, NY. That was how he and his present head coach John Buck crossed paths as Kentan played against Long Island Lutheran. As coach Buck also saw the raw talent Facey possessed he, and Mr. Johnston both felt that the great academics, and historic basketball program within Long Island Lutheran would benefit him. They both wanted the best for Kentan, and a year later Kentan Facey was a Crusader."

http://firstandtensport.com/articles/1st-10-s-next-big-thing-kentan-facey--2

"He was 16 years of age when he came to New York. Facey started his high school days at a private school in Deer Park, located in Suffolk County and transferred to another private school, Long Island Lutheran located in Brookville, Nassau County. At the latter school, there was better quality of basketball. He wanted more competition than he was getting in Suffolk County to better his game. After he entered LIL, he felt that he was getting better coaching and played with and against better competition."

http://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/stories/2013/2/2013_02_04_elkin_kentan_facey.html


I just hope they make their damn decision quickly.

 

[freescooter]

There is enough anecdotal info out there to support the questions being raised by the NCAA:

"One of those men that especially saw his raw talent at the time was Stephen Johnston, of the Jamaica Basketball Development, INC. An organization that sees the athletic, and academic potential in Jamaican youth, and helps them to achieve success with their skills. With the help of Mr. Johnston Kentan came to the U.S., 3 years ago he attended Upper Room Christian School in Dix Hills, NY. That was how he and his present head coach John Buck crossed paths as Kentan played against Long Island Lutheran. As coach Buck also saw the raw talent Facey possessed he, and Mr. Johnston both felt that the great academics, and historic basketball program within Long Island Lutheran would benefit him. They both wanted the best for Kentan, and a year later Kentan Facey was a Crusader."

http://firstandtensport.com/articles/1st-10-s-next-big-thing-kentan-facey--2

"He was 16 years of age when he came to New York. Facey started his high school days at a private school in Deer Park, located in Suffolk County and transferred to another private school, Long Island Lutheran located in Brookville, Nassau County. At the latter school, there was better quality of basketball. He wanted more competition than he was getting in Suffolk County to better his game. After he entered LIL, he felt that he was getting better coaching and played with and against better competition."

http://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/stories/2013/2/2013_02_04_elkin_kentan_facey.html


I just hope they make their damn decision quickly.

Exactly...on all counts!

 

[upstater]

Exactly...on all counts!

There is enough anecdotal info out there to support the questions being raised by the NCAA:

"One of those men that especially saw his raw talent at the time was Stephen Johnston, of the Jamaica Basketball Development, INC. An organization that sees the athletic, and academic potential in Jamaican youth, and helps them to achieve success with their skills. With the help of Mr. Johnston Kentan came to the U.S., 3 years ago he attended Upper Room Christian School in Dix Hills, NY. That was how he and his present head coach John Buck crossed paths as Kentan played against Long Island Lutheran. As coach Buck also saw the raw talent Facey possessed he, and Mr. Johnston both felt that the great academics, and historic basketball program within Long Island Lutheran would benefit him. They both wanted the best for Kentan, and a year later Kentan Facey was a Crusader."

http://firstandtensport.com/articles/1st-10-s-next-big-thing-kentan-facey--2

"He was 16 years of age when he came to New York. Facey started his high school days at a private school in Deer Park, located in Suffolk County and transferred to another private school, Long Island Lutheran located in Brookville, Nassau County. At the latter school, there was better quality of basketball. He wanted more competition than he was getting in Suffolk County to better his game. After he entered LIL, he felt that he was getting better coaching and played with and against better competition."

http://www.caribbeanlifenews.com/stories/2013/2/2013_02_04_elkin_kentan_facey.html

I just hope they make their damn decision quickly.

I don't see how this makes any difference.

There are only 2 things that really matter:

1. Did he have enough credits to graduate high school earlier?

Without graduating high school, you can't get into college.

Everything else is irrelevant.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

But it isn't the NCAA's job to make sure a kid qualifies for Harvard rather than merely getting into Brown.

Apropos of nothing, as an alum of both schools, but with an undying love for the latter and a lukewarm relationship with the former, I want to point out that your example is built on a flawed premise, as the scores of Harvard freshmen forced to matriculate in Cambridge because they couldn't get a place on College Hill will attest. And yes, I am fully aware of how douchy this post is.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

....just doing what the NCAA does best.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...ncaa-rule-preventing-playing-middle-tennessee

Ruled he can play, per New York Times.

 

[freescooter]

I don't see how this makes any difference.

There are only 2 things that really matter:

1. Did he have enough credits to graduate high school earlier?

Without graduating high school, you can't get into college.

Everything else is irrelevant.

This is true (though one might want to place an asterisk and reference Morgan Chu who dropped out of high school and just showed up at UCLA and now holds a BA, MA and Ph.D from there as well as degrees from Yale and a law degree from Harvard, though he is admittedly an exception to the general rule), but only if you ignore the actual facts of the case, i.e. that the NCAA rules says if you graduate from high school you can only have 1 year of post graduate play without penalty, and that by rule, as they say in the NFL, he is considered to have graduated from high school when he passed the test in Jamaica. And once again, since you continue to ignore this simple fact, the NCAA rules are designed for American high schools, not Jamaican ones. It now falls on him to show the rule is wrong and he deserves a waiver. If as is claimed he actually needed 3 full years of high school to earn a diploma, it should be a demonstrable fact and he will be granted said waiver.

 

[upstater]

This is true (though one might want to place an asterisk and reference Morgan Chu who dropped out of high school and just showed up at UCLA and now holds a BA, MA and Ph.D from there as well as degrees from Yale and a law degree from Harvard, though he is admittedly an exception to the general rule), but only if you ignore the actual facts of the case, i.e. that the NCAA rules says if you graduate from high school you can only have 1 year of post graduate play without penalty, and that by rule, as they say in the NFL, he is considered to have graduated from high school when he passed the test in Jamaica. And once again, since you continue to ignore this simple fact, the NCAA rules are designed for American high schools, not Jamaican ones. It now falls on him to show the rule is wrong and he deserves a waiver. If as is claimed he actually needed 3 full years of high school to earn a diploma, it should be a demonstrable fact and he will be granted said waiver.

He can demonstrate it by asking his HS if he needed those three years, and they can state in writing: "Yes, we were not going to give you a diploma otherwise."

Simple stuff.