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I think I could run a better collegiate sports program out of a cave. Oh wait, isn't that where the NCAA already is?
 

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Some one really needs to step in and overhaul the whole damn thing.
 

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This won't please a couple of senators! The NCAA could be playing with fire regarding this issue.
 
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ESPN/Schlabach need to stop changing the headlines/story.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...e-blue-raiders-steven-rhodes-college-football

This jumps out though:

"MTSU assistant athletics director for compliance Daryl Simpson said the NCAA actually made the right ruling based on its rulebook."It's kind of a complicated case," Simpson said. "I know a lot of the public is going to react against the NCAA, but it was the correct ruling based on the rules and the way it's written. I don't think it's anybody's fault. Back in 1996, somebody made a mistake. I don't think it was an intentional error, and I don't think anyone wanted to hose the military personnel. I just think it was omitted by mistake."

Just like Facey situation - people are outraged on the "right" interpretation of the rules as written, voted on and accepted by the universities. The rules may need changing/correction in the end but I wonder how many cases go by the wayside because the backstory isn't as intriguing?
 
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I know it's two different issues, but I don't get situations like this compared to guys who play minor league baseball then transition to college football.

On one side, you have someone like Rhodes who played rec league football for 5 years while in the military and, apparently, burned up his eligibility. On the other hand, you have athletes who play minor league baseball for several years (while getting paid) and then are allowed to be amateurs again and play college football after they decide to end their baseball careers. For all the things the NCAA would disqualify someone for, I never understood how being a professional baseball player (or boxer) wasn't one of them.
 
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Why does this give me no confidence they'll do the right thing with Facey?
They may end up doing the right thing but you just know it will take until February for them to make a decision. I have absolutely no confidence they'll make a decision before the season starts.
 

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They may end up doing the right thing but you just know it will take until February for them to make a decision. I have absolutely no confidence they'll make a decision before the season starts.

Exactly what I was thinking. That or he'll miss the entire year befor he's cleared.
 
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Why does this give me no confidence they'll do the right thing with Facey?

Because (a) our guy doesn't present the PR problem of having served in the military (b) Emmert hates us (c) all of the above.
 

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Because (a) our guy doesn't present the PR problem of having served in the military (b) Emmert hates us (c) all of the above.

This. The NCAA doesn't care about doing the right thing unless there's a PR s!itstorm.
 
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Really this case was sort of a one off. They could very easily waive the rule and get the benefit of the good pr. But the NCAA staff doesn't decide what the rules are. They have to follow what is has been adopted by the NCAA member schools. Now in reality there are probably very few ex-military guys who come back and want to play college football at the D1 level, so its not really all that surprising that the NCAA didn't have a specific rule addressing that situation. They dealt with it in a reasonable way, it seems to me. On the other hand, they do have rules dealing with "international" students. How many times has a Facey situation come up? First time I've read about one. But let's also be honest. His isn't a situation of a kid who ended up in New York because his family moved here for work or a better life, or a better educational opportunity or any such thing. He came here to play basketball. Nothing wrong with that, but I think it also puts a bit of the onus on him, or at least his family/advisors to understand the rules and what he is getting into. Similarly, by the way, there is some onus on UConn to know those rules when it recruits so it can be prepared to deal with this stuff immediately rather than always playing catchup. That was a problem with our international recruiting while Calhoun/Hathaway and it seems to have continued under Ollie/Manuel. I'm not sure who is responsible for this, though I would think it should be the Athletic Department primarily. The coach needs to know when to ask the questions, though.
 
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more stuff that just doesn't make sense, Kerwin Okoro transferred from Iowa State to Rutgers to be closer to home after both his father and brother died, his request for hardship was denied. I'm not sure of LJ Rose's reason for transferring but he transferred in state from Baylor to Houston and had his waiver request granted. If a father and brother dying within the same year isn't hardship than what is?
 

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more stuff that just doesn't make sense, Kerwin Okoro transferred from Iowa State to Rutgers to be closer to home after both his father and brother died, his request for hardship was denied. I'm not sure of LJ Rose's reason for transferring but he transferred in state from Baylor to Houston and had his waiver request granted. If a father and brother dying within the same year isn't hardship than what is?
And this is the problem with the NCAA. It's capricious. We're just more sensitive to it because of the retroactive penalties for the APR.
 
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That is a little different case, where a player repeated a year. You can understand where the NCAA is coming from on that actually, although they ought to consider granting a waiver. I also have to say, though, that I would be somewhat skeptical in most cases, and if this woman had gone to UConn rather than Harvard would the reaction be the same? I'm not so sure it would. Then again I'm not so sure what the difference would be if she went to prep school for a year then went to Harvard rather than repeating her Junior year.
 
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What's the standard for Facey?
Would he have been allowed to compete if he left school after 2 years? 3 years? 4 years?
I suspect not. He wouldn't have had the credits.
So he wasn't repeating a grade for athletic reasons.
 

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And this is the problem with the NCAA. It's capricious. We're just more sensitive to it because of the retroactive penalties for the APR.
Liked this just for the use of the word capricious.
 
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