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I think Purvis will start with Gibbs, but based on experience, not on player ability. Adams will be, and I think is now, the best player of the guards, as a distributor definitely, as a ball handler under pressure, as a defender, and as a leader with the swagger. Plus he is as good a shooter and scorer as either. I still don't think he starts unless we go to 3 guards, or, the team develops a habit of starting off slow and getting behind. I do think he plays a few more minutes than Purvis and stands out of bounds less when catching the ball. I also think he and Gibbs will be intended to have the ball in their hands in end game situations to go to the line rather than Purvis.

As an aside, a number of Brimah's fouls occurred giving help going for blocks when opposing guards got by our guards including Purvis. I never knew if we were trying to channel the guards to Brimah like we did with Thabeet. In other words, was Purvis playing the defensive scheme correctly, or just getting beat. That would influence my view of his defense.
 
huskiesNhoos said:
Duke is going to be very good again. Front court will be iffy, but they did win a NC with zoubek so...ya. thornton moving to '15 saved their season, but they're almost like us last year with only 1 legitimate ball handler (and I take Sr Boatright over fr thornton any day)

I said it in another thread, and someone said it here, but I'll still beat the point to death...MSU and Wisconsin have no business being top 25. They both lost basically they're entire team and bring almost nothing in to replace them.

I like the lineup of adams, gibbs, purvis, hamilton, miller. oddly the only team in conference with a front court that will force us to use bigger lineups is USF with taco and the other fat kid
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Michigan State is almost always in the top 25 and Wisconsin's entered the tournament ranked 8 out of the last 9 years. He's betting on the coaches more than anything else.
 
Ricker said:
I think Purvis will start with Gibbs, but based on experience, not on player ability. Adams will be, and I think is now, the best player of the guards, as a distributor definitely, as a ball handler under pressure, as a defender, and as a leader with the swagger. Plus he is as good a shooter and scorer as either. I still don't think he starts unless we go to 3 guards, or, the team develops a habit of starting off slow and getting behind. I do think he plays a few more minutes than Purvis and stands out of bounds less when catching the ball. I also think he and Gibbs will be intended to have the ball in their hands in end game situations to go to the line rather than Purvis.

As an aside, a number of Brimah's fouls occurred giving help going for blocks when opposing guards got by our guards including Purvis. I never knew if we were trying to channel the guards to Brimah like we did with Thabeet. In other words, was Purvis playing the defensive scheme correctly, or just getting beat. That would influence my view of his defense.
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ha at that bolded part. And purvis is an average on ball defender, because he loved ball watching and was often late with defensive rotations season. Right now Adams Purvis and gibbs are all gigantic question marks defensively; I think whoever is closing the games is the set of guards who contain the dribble the best. I tend to think purvis takes a leap and becomes a plus defender this season.
 
huskiesNhoos said:
I like the lineup of adams, gibbs, purvis, hamilton, miller. oddly the only team in conference with a front court that will force us to use bigger lineups is USF with taco and the other fat kid
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I'd argue the reverse. Play small and run and press. The personnel is there to be lethal in that set up. Those big dudes on USF will be sucking major wind in 2 minutes.
 
Kemba nor Shabazz started as freshman. Both were exactly what Adams will be. An instant spark off the bench. Gibbs and Purvis will start, but Adams will play just as many minutes. This is a great problem to have. Can't remember a team w this much depth when all healthy.
 
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If Brimah doesn't start rebounding I think we'll see a lineup of Adams, Gibbs, Purvis, Hamilton, and Miller a lot which I love.
 
Ricker said:
I think Purvis will start with Gibbs, but based on experience, not on player ability. Adams will be, and I think is now, the best player of the guards, as a distributor definitely, as a ball handler under pressure, as a defender, and as a leader with the swagger. Plus he is as good a shooter and scorer as either. I still don't think he starts unless we go to 3 guards, or, the team develops a habit of starting off slow and getting behind. I do think he plays a few more minutes than Purvis and stands out of bounds less when catching the ball. I also think he and Gibbs will be intended to have the ball in their hands in end game situations to go to the line rather than Purvis.

As an aside, a number of Brimah's fouls occurred giving help going for blocks when opposing guards got by our guards including Purvis. I never knew if we were trying to channel the guards to Brimah like we did with Thabeet. In other words, was Purvis playing the defensive scheme correctly, or just getting beat. That would influence my view of his defense.
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Adams coming off the bench has nothing to do with his abilities. The value of bringing your freshman ball handler off the bench is:

1) Adams gets the opportunity to watch the first few minutes to get a sense of pace, how the game is being called, what the defense is trying to do, etc. An experienced point like Gibbs has to adjust on the fly while running the offense in real time. That's a lot to be asked of Adams right away. Let the kid get a sense of things on the bench until the first TV Timeout.

2) Its like an off speed pitch in baseball. Gibbs is the fastball, you establish that for the first 5 minutes, then you immediately change the look. Slide Gibbs to the 2 (like Kemba used to) and put Adams at the 1. Now Gibbs is getting somewhat of a rest off ball and the defense has to acclimate to the new set. You can also install different plays for the different lineups.

3) One of Gibbs or Adams MUST be on the floor at all times. Purvis nor Hamilton have the on ball skills to run the offense. The best option after these two is probably Sam which with all due respect to Sam is dropping off a cliff. As such, if you play them both out of the gate you mess up the rest rotation or the ability to make adjustments / manage foul trouble.

It's a no brainer. It's our blueprint. And that's why Goodman is an idiot. It's got nothing to do with his ranking.

Edit: You also make a freshman earn his right to start. So there's that.
 
Offhegoes said:
Kemba nor Shabazz started as freshman. Both were exactly what Adams will be. An instant spark off the bench. Gibbs and Purvis will start, but Adams will play just as many minutes. This is a great problem to have. Can't remember a team w this much depth when all healthy.
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A lot of BY'ers have said the same thing. That Kemba and Bazz did not start their freshman year so why should Adams?
Keep in mind those were both Calhoun teams not Ollie's. Kemba provided a huge spark off the bench with ability to drive because he had no outside game at that point, he was sorta the oppoiste of AJ. As for Bazz lets face it he could have easily started since Olander started all the games in the Big East/NCAA tournys for no strategic reason.
 
CallMeBruce said:
Should be noted that those big dudes are actually on UCF, not USF.
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I think he's corret in the USF bigs statement. They have Boogie Cousins' brother who is a load on the block as wel as the spanish player Guerrero who is 6'11. But UCF does have big Mcbride as well as Tacko Fall incoming, who is 7'5 i believe.
 
Brochacho said:
Thornton/Allen
Kennard/Jones
Ingram
Obi/Jefferson
Jeter/Plumlee/Vrankovic

Ingram is really good. Obi may be the best big man in the ACC. Thornton is the best freshman PG. They have the proper role players, and Allen and Kennard can get buckets. Duke has a FF roster.
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Obi best big man in the ACC? He had a very nice freshman year at Rice, what am I missing?
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I think he's corret in the USF bigs statement. They have Boogie Cousins' brother who is a load on the block as wel as the spanish player Guerrero who is 6'11. But UCF does have big Mcbride as well as Tacko Fall incoming, who is 7'5 i believe.
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He referred to "taco and the other fat kid." He was talking about UCF.
 
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Brochacho said:
Well choosing two of Purvis, Gibbs, and Adams to start is a really nice problem to have.
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Agree. Each brings something different to the table. The combination of Adams & Gibbs gives you two PG-Combos. Purvis is more a scorer. Ego wise, it would likely be less drama if you go with Gibbs & Purvis and bring Adams off the bench. IMO, productivity wise, I like Adams & Gibbs and Purvis off the bench as an instant offense impact, like ala John Gwynn back in the day. Until the two newbies get here and KO sees how they play together and exactly how good and how ready Adams might be, it's really hard to predict what is best.
 
Miller is just what the doctor ordered for us. There's no doubt in my mind he starts. Gibbs is a perfect addition to allow KO to bring Jalen up to speed slowly. I doubt JA starts but I expect that he'll get starters minutes by the end of the season.
 
Gibbs: 30
Purvis: 30
Adams: 25
Hamilton: 33
Miller: 27
Facey: 10
Brimah: 25
Nolan: 5
Enoch: 5

10 minutes extra to spare
 
DogMania said:
Agree. Each brings something different to the table. The combination of Adams & Gibbs gives you two PG-Combos. Purvis is more a scorer. Ego wise, it would likely be less drama if you go with Gibbs & Purvis and bring Adams off the bench. IMO, productivity wise, I like Adams & Gibbs and Purvis off the bench as an instant offense impact, like ala John Gwynn back in the day. Until the two newbies get here and KO sees how they play together and exactly how good and how ready Adams might be, it's really hard to predict what is best.
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So why wouldn't Adams provide "instant offense" off the bench?
 
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Starting Lineups don't matter to me at all. Hell, Olander started games, played 2 minutes and wouldn't come back in for the rest of the half. This roster is going to have many similarities to NBA rotations. We will have a sixth man coming off the bench that deserves to start on many, if not all other teams, but puts his ego aside and does whats best for the team. Plus, some people like coming off the bench to get a feel for the game and jump into the flow, rather than start it.
 
As many have said, it's really not a big deal who starts. However, whoever plays the final 5 minutes of the game is a big deal. Luckily, if one player isn't performing we have the luxury of going to the bench to get someone else.

In my eyes the only way the starting line up is an issue is if the lone man out takes it harshly and messes with the chemistry of the team. That's why IMO (besides the fact that I just think right now Purvis is the better college player) Purvis should start over Adams - seniority. Adams seems like he'll gladly accept the 6th man role, he seems like a great kid and a team first player. He's a freshman and coming off the bench for him shouldn't be a big deal.
 
CallMeBruce said:
So why wouldn't Adams provide "instant offense" off the bench?
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Not my statement but I'd thought I'd answer.

Sure Adams can provide instant offense off the bench but he can also do so much more (from what I've seen in HS and Prep ball). Purvis hasn't shown he can.

"Instant Offense" off the bench to me is someone with a scorers mentality who lacks in other areas. Someone who gets the ball and is just looking to score. Purvis fits that mold much more than Adams.

Purvis can bang the three if left open and can bully himself in the lane if given the opportunity. Other than that he is very limited. Can't hit a three with a hand in his face and can't use his handle to get his own shot both things Adams excels at. Gibbs and Adams can create for themselves and others.

Listen I could be wrong and he could come back with a complete game, which would be great us.
 
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Candyman34 said:
Not my statement but I'd thought I'd answer.

Sure Adams can provide instant offense off the bench but he can also do so much more (from what I've seen in HS and Prep ball). Purvis hasn't shown he can.
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You can't discredit Purvis by saying he "hasn't shown he can" do certain things and then just assume that an incoming freshman can do all of those things immediately. Purvis was a 5-star recruit in high school just like Adams was. I'm sure everyone assumed Purvis could do everything in high school too.
 
djct1999 said:
My feeling is that its going to be real difficult for Ollie to keep Jalen off the floor. It wouldn't shock me, depending on our opponent, to have a 3 guard set and push Dham to the 4. If Brimah ever learns how to rebound, this could be a crazy fast and athletic lineup.
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I could see us playing smaller with Miller instead of Brimah at times, especially if Miller is scoring and rebounding as advertised.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
I bet Enoch gets more than 5 minutes
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I would be surprised if he got much more than that. By all accounts he's still a raw player and he's going to have to fight for minutes with Brimah, Miller, Facey, Hamilton (when we go small), and Nolan. Unless he's much better than advertised right away, it would be tough for him to bring enough to get a lot of playing time early. Brimah and Miller are essentially locks for a lot of playing time, Nolan figures to be the main C backup, and I would surprised to see him jump Facey. There's just not a ton of playing time left.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
I would be surprised if he got much more than that. By all accounts he's still a raw player and he's going to have to fight for minutes with Brimah, Miller, Facey, Hamilton (when we go small), and Nolan. Unless he's much better than advertised right away, it would be tough for him to bring enough to get a lot of playing time early. Brimah and Miller are essentially locks for a lot of playing time, Nolan figures to be the main C backup, and I would surprised to see him jump Facey. There's just not a ton of playing time left.
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Given that Enoch is 6'10'', his easiest path for minutes would be to beat out Nolan for the backup center spot. That could happen.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
Given that Enoch is 6'10'', his easiest path for minutes would be to beat out Nolan for the backup center spot. That could happen.
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It could. I find it unlikely though given the struggles a lot of raw big men have on the defensive side of the ball as well as our options to run a small lineup without Brimah in (and potentially cover up the weakness that is our center depth). Hopefully he does though, that would mean his development is moving along quickly and would be great.
 
HuskyBballFan said:
Given that Enoch is 6'10'', his easiest path for minutes would be to beat out Nolan for the backup center spot. That could happen.
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I would make the prediction at some point that happens during the season, while nolan is slotted into a olander bare minimum minutes role. Love nolans defense, but its a bit like olanders offense. he would offer very good post defense, picknroll defense, rotating... but then commit a dumb foul. Nolan is such a buffoon on offense if there is any other option i suspect KO to use that
 
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