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Fishy said:
”Something” will happen.

When the dollar disparity is $50-70M a year, something has to give somewhere.

It could be something crazy like UCLA/USC to the Big Ten or UVA/UNC to the Big Ten…something will definitely happen.
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Have my money on UNC/UVA to the B1G.
 
borninansonia said:
Having a team in Washington join the big east is immoral.

The latest IPCC report states that humans must take action now to minimize greenhouse gases if we want future generations to thrive or perhaps even survive. Last week, both poles were about 40C above normal.

Having a team in the state of Washington join the big east will significantly increase the carbon footprint of all the teams in the big east, and that, my fellow big east fans, is immoral. It's steal life from future generations.
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Gonzaga podcast with a Bulldogs insider (BE talk begins at about the 47 minute mark):




Some (paraphrased) tidbits:

- Several sources in the WCC and BE have said that the BE is actively courting Gonzaga, but a move/announcement is not imminent. It would happen for the 23-24 season at the earliest, but more likely the following few years (when the TV contract is up).

- TV talks are ongoing not only with FOX but also with CBS/ESPN/other streaming services. There's a real chance that FOX doesn't win the bid.

- Western BE schools are more into Gonzaga joining than the Eastern BE schools. Providence is VERY against. Nova and Georgetown not really into it either. But TV $ talks, and they'll go along with it if the price is right.

- A big hurdle is (obviously) ironing out the non-basketball sports.

- Those in the know (ie boosters) have basically been told to stay quiet as loose lips could sink this ship, and Goodman doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
 
I would guess an issue with Gonzaga is what are they after Mark Few? He may coach another decade or maybe not...will be 60 in December.

I think it would be great if ZAGS joined BE but long term I can see trepidation...not like ZAGS have a bunch of hardware or history but can always dump them after Few.
 
How about if Gonzaga opens a campus in Des Moines, in the same way that a number of major universities have sattelites in Dubai, China, and other world locations. There's no major Catholic university in Iowa, Jesuit or otherwise, and it would fit geographically between Creighton and the other Midwestern schools, creating two 6-team divisions. Simply locate the basketball team there during the season.

Fans? Des Moines and Spokane are pretty similar in both city & metro population, and Wikipedia claims that Des Monies has a nickname as the "Hartford of the Midwest." Maybe the Zags can split their home games between Spokane and Iowa's state capital.
 
I’m not saying this won’t happen but I’m pretty surprised that their TV “value“ would be enough to add $60-$70M annually to the BETV Deal (podcast references BE wanting $5-$6M annually in their next deal which at 12 members with the Zags would be $72M to break even as the 12th team).

Did the BE TV deal change when UConn joined? It basically just moved to allow everyone to remain whole correct?
 
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Huskymagic said:
I've been preaching about Gonzaga to the Big East for a while before it was popular. The Zags are the only team you add to the Big East outside of the power conferences that adds value.

If a second team needed to be added to appease FOX and give the Zags a travel partner: San Diego State would a great school that has very good basketball tradition, and doesn't hurt the conference.

#ZagsToBigEast
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San Diego state is too far an outlier to pair with Gonzaga. Byu would have been perfect but they are going to the big 12.

Not sure what other schools make sense. You would have to add 3 so I guess Boise and witchita would be the only ones that make sense to fill out a west conference. Somewhat dilutes the big east but gives you coast to coast coverage and big names schools from east coast to west coast. Could see it working but skeptical
 
I think this is going to happen. It probably won’t happen until 2023 though.
 
methodology said:
San Diego state is too far an outlier to pair with Gonzaga. Byu would have been perfect but they are going to the big 12.

Not sure what other schools make sense. You would have to add 3 so I guess Boise and witchita would be the only ones that make sense to fill out a west conference. Somewhat dilutes the big east but gives you coast to coast coverage and big names schools from east coast to west coast. Could see it working but skeptical
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Yea but San Diego State is a good brand, it’s out west so it’s close enough to Gonzaga, and more importantly in California, a valuable marketing, tv, population, and recruiting area.

I like the Aztecs to pair with Gonzaga since BYU is no longer an option. Boise state is a good brand but the strength of their football brand would make them hesitant as they could be an option for the Big 12 or PAC 12 down the line.

Out East, the third team that makes the most sense is Memphis. Strong brand and good basketball tradition.

Fox would definitely support Memphis. It would be a solid addition. Missing out on the Big 12 train makes them desperate to leave the AAC. They would have to go independent in football and would at this point.
 
Alright, I just saw article mirroring this thread that there are talks Gonzaga basketball might be headed to the Big East.

Huh....? Why would they want to do that. They are a constant 1 seed every year and dominate that WCC and that conference does have 2 or 3 (maybe) other relatively decent teams.

If Gonzaga really wants to upgrade the competitiveness of their conference battles, than why not just join the PAC-12? They would at least get to play UCLA, Arizona, and plenty of other tougher teams that are closer to home rather than playing tougher teams way our here in the east.
 
USNavyDog said:
Alright, I just saw article mirroring this thread that there are talks Gonzaga basketball might be headed to the Big East.

Huh....? Why would they want to do that. They are a constant 1 seed every year and dominate that WCC and that conference does have 2 or 3 (maybe) other relatively decent teams.

If Gonzaga really wants to upgrade the competitiveness of their conference battles, than why not just join the PAC-12? They would at least get to play UCLA, Arizona, and plenty of other tougher teams that are closer to home rather than playing tougher teams way our here in the east.
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Pac 12 is a football conference, Big East is not
 
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Huskymagic said:
Yea but San Diego State is a good brand, it’s out west so it’s close enough to Gonzaga, and more importantly in California, a valuable marketing, tv, population, and recruiting area.

I like the Aztecs to pair with Gonzaga since BYU is no longer an option. Boise state is a good brand but the strength of their football brand would make them hesitant as they could be an option for the Big 12 or PAC 12 down the line.

Out East, the third team that makes the most sense is Memphis. Strong brand and good basketball tradition.

Fox would definitely support Memphis. It would be a solid addition. Missing out on the Big 12 train makes them desperate to leave the AAC. They would have to go independent in football and would at this point.
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What does SD St do with their football program if they join the BE?

That school may actually value football over basketball.
 
ClifSpliffy said:
kinda odd to hear some 'end of the acc' stuff here.
one of the most explosive growth regions in the nation, for both population and income, with widely followed tho not to successful football acts, and they're somehow gonna go poof?
sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up on that here.
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Jeezus, not this again. This same old wishful thought gets dredged up every single year, and nothing ever happens.
The Big 12 just lost 2 of it's major members to the SEC, yet here on the good old Boneyard it's the ACC that's in trouble? Right.
Why do we always forget the first rule of CR: " Somehow, someway, UConn gets kicked in the gonads".
 
Huskymagic said:
Yea but San Diego State is a good brand, it’s out west so it’s close enough to Gonzaga, and more importantly in California, a valuable marketing, tv, population, and recruiting area.

I like the Aztecs to pair with Gonzaga since BYU is no longer an option. Boise state is a good brand but the strength of their football brand would make them hesitant as they could be an option for the Big 12 or PAC 12 down the line.

Out East, the third team that makes the most sense is Memphis. Strong brand and good basketball tradition.

Fox would definitely support Memphis. It would be a solid addition. Missing out on the Big 12 train makes them desperate to leave the AAC. They would have to go independent in football and would at this point.
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I’m actually shocked SDSU hasn’t gained any interest from the Pac-12. They’re good at both basketball and football. If the conference wants to add at least one more member I think SDSU is the top priority
 
acc ain't breaking apart, for just money, anytime soon.
start out in Charlottsville, Virginia, and head down one road, i 85, for aboot 500 miles to Atlanta, Georgia. at both ends, and all along the way, there are 8 acc schools on that culturally historic byway, steeped in their ways and values, and nobody is tossing that out to fold into a big 10, or whatever. not for just money. too weird, no way. it would be like putting headphones on a fish.
the funny thing is that if the acc and sec threw in together, well, heck just stamp it the southern conference, and call it a day. back to the future.


travel tip: make the car trip thru that region. a really nice place, and absolutely no accident that all those schools are there. great eats, too.
 
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methodology said:
San Diego state is too far an outlier to pair with Gonzaga. Byu would have been perfect but they are going to the big 12.

Not sure what other schools make sense. You would have to add 3 so I guess Boise and witchita would be the only ones that make sense to fill out a west conference. Somewhat dilutes the big east but gives you coast to coast coverage and big names schools from east coast to west coast. Could see it working but skeptical
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Marist and San Diego are both in the same football conference.

What does that have to do with your post?

Nothing, but I like to mention it whenever I think I can squeeze it in.
 
FfldCntyFan said:
What does SD St do with their football program if they join the BE?

That school may actually value football over basketball.
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It used to. It was a big deal mid-60s to early 80s for sure.
San Diego to Spokane is about the same distance as Portland, Maine to Orlando… so not nearby.
 
ClifSpliffy said:
acc ain't breaking apart, for just money, anytime soon.
start out in Charlottsville, Virginia, and head down one road, i 85, for aboot 500 miles to Atlanta, Georgia. at both ends, and all along the way, there are 8 acc schools on that culturally historic byway, steeped in their ways and values, and nobody is tossing that out to fold into a big 10, or whatever. not for just money. too weird, no way. it would be like putting headphones on a fish.
the funny thing is that if the acc and sec threw in together, well, heck just stamp it the southern conference, and call it a day. back to the future.


travel tip: make the car trip thru that region. a really nice place, and absolutely no accident that all those schools are there. great eats, too.
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Ask Maryland. They were classic ACC. They will all leave for more money. FSU, Clemson,UNC, UVA will all be gone and the ACC will need to back fill. It will be a while because they’re all locked into their current deal, but when that ends the ACC as we know it is over.

Those areas are booming you’re right. And that’s why the B1G and SEC will offer to double their ACC payout.
 
AllAbout5 said:
I’m actually shocked SDSU hasn’t gained any interest from the Pac-12. They’re good at both basketball and football. If the conference wants to add at least one more member I think SDSU is the top priority
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Doubt it. The PAC-12 already has 4 California schools in the conference. They already control and dominate the state of California with USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford.

San Diego State doesn’t add anything for them.

The PAC can poach from the Big-12 if it wants. They would be smart to call Kansas up.

Nearby on the radar of the PAC-12 is a sneaky popular brand in a populous state:Colorado State.
They also have Boise State a strong brand in a state like Idaho which is experiencing population growth as well.
 
Huskymagic said:
Doubt it. The PAC-12 already has 4 California schools in the conference. They already control and dominate the state of California with USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford.

San Diego State doesn’t add anything for them.

The PAC can poach from the Big-12 if it wants. They would be smart to call Kansas up.

Nearby on the radar of the PAC-12 is a sneaky popular brand in a populous state:Colorado State.
They also have Boise State a strong brand in a state like Idaho which is experiencing population growth as well.
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Well they’re also like the ACC, where they typically like academics to go with it. That’s why I said SDSU, because they’re a strong academic school and difficult to get into in the 30s for acceptance rate. Pac-12 is set right now I think.
 
AllAbout5 said:
Well they’re also like the ACC, where they typically like academics to go with it. That’s why I said SDSU, because they’re a strong academic school and difficult to get into in the 30s for acceptance rate. Pac-12 is set right now.
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I agree with you that SDSU is a good school, which is why I mentioned them as a potential expansion target for the Big East.
San Diego State would be a great addition to the Big East, which is why I mentioned them as a partner for Gonzaga. It is a good school and a good sports brand. I am in favor of the Aztecs. Other than Boise State who is waiting for a call from the PAC-12 or Big-12, it is the best brand out west left to add.

The PAC-12 doesn't care much for them because they have the state of California secured.

For a 3 team expansion to the Big East, the 2 teams that are locks for Fox and the Big East are Gonzaga and Memphis. For me, San Diego State should be the 3rd school.

A school like SMU could also be in the running for that 3rd slot.
 
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Huskymagic said:
I agree with you that SDSU is a good school, which is why I mentioned them as a potential expansion target for the Big East.
San Diego State would be a great addition to the Big East, which is why I mentioned them as a partner for Gonzaga. It is a good school and a good sports brand. I am in favor of the Aztecs. Other than Boise State who is waiting for a call from the PAC-12 or Big-12, it is the best brand out west left to add.

The PAC-12 doesn't care much for them because they have the state of California secured.

For a 3 team expansion to the Big East, the 2 teams that are locks for Fox and the Big East are Gonzaga and Memphis. For me, San Diego State should be the 3rd school.

A school like SMU could also be in the running for that 3rd slot.
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No to SDSU. They don't have an institutional fit in the league and they play football. We obviously do as well but we are the exception not the rule.
 
Huskymagic said:
I agree with you that SDSU is a good school, which is why I mentioned them as a potential expansion target for the Big East.
San Diego State would be a great addition to the Big East, which is why I mentioned them as a partner for Gonzaga. It is a good school and a good sports brand. I am in favor of the Aztecs. Other than Boise State who is waiting for a call from the PAC-12 or Big-12, it is the best brand out west left to add.

The PAC-12 doesn't care much for them because they have the state of California secured.

For a 3 team expansion to the Big East, the 2 teams that are locks for Fox and the Big East are Gonzaga and Memphis. For me, San Diego State should be the 3rd school.

A school like SMU could also be in the running for that 3rd slot.
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Huge no thank you to SDSU. I don’t care about ratings or how good programs are. Not trying to have west coast teams in a east coast-dominant conference.
 
Huskymagic said:
Doubt it. The PAC-12 already has 4 California schools in the conference. They already control and dominate the state of California with USC, UCLA, Cal, and Stanford.

San Diego State doesn’t add anything for them.

The PAC can poach from the Big-12 if it wants. They would be smart to call Kansas up.

Nearby on the radar of the PAC-12 is a sneaky popular brand in a populous state:Colorado State.
They also have Boise State a strong brand in a state like Idaho which is experiencing population growth as well.
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"Already has 4 California schools"? 4 is far too few for a state the size of California. The ACC has 10 programs from VA to FLA (granted this will contribute to the ACC demise). Oregon has 2 programs and California has 9 times as many people. UCSD, SDSU, Santa Rosita . . .
 
ClifSpliffy said:
acc ain't breaking apart, for just money, anytime soon.
start out in Charlottsville, Virginia, and head down one road, i 85, for aboot 500 miles to Atlanta, Georgia. at both ends, and all along the way, there are 8 acc schools on that culturally historic byway, steeped in their ways and values, and nobody is tossing that out to fold into a big 10, or whatever. not for just money. too weird, no way. it would be like putting headphones on a fish.
the funny thing is that if the acc and sec threw in together, well, heck just stamp it the southern conference, and call it a day. back to the future.


travel tip: make the car trip thru that region. a really nice place, and absolutely no accident that all those schools are there. great eats, too.
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85 goes into Richmond not cville...but point taken

Also that drive is terrible unless u enjoy endless nothing...put down the spliffy
 
Kolumbo said:
"Already has 4 California schools"? 4 is far too few for a state the size of California. The ACC has 10 programs from VA to FLA (granted this will contribute to the ACC demise). Oregon has 2 programs and California has 9 times as many people. UCSD, SDSU, Santa Rosita . . .
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USC and UCLA cover the entire LA and southern California market. They don't really need SDSU for the San Diego Market. They also don't want competition for recruiting so nearby to them. Arizona and Arizona State are also pretty close to the San Diego area with large followings.

The PAC-12 has that area completely secured. From a tv ratings and revenue perspective the PAC-12 already dominates the area.

Cal and Stanford have good control over the central part and northern part of California. Not to mention that UCLA and USC have appeal and strong followings all across the state of California particularly USC. Oregon right above California has plenty of fans in northern California as well.

PS: Kansas is the best school for PAC-12 to poach right now. They would be smart to call them up. A second team they might look to add would either be a second school in Colorado: Colorado State or Boise State in a growing Idaho.
My money would be on Boise State because Idaho is growing fast and Boise St dominates the entire state market there. Strong football and decent basketball.

SDSU would be 3rd on the list for the PAC-12 if they weren't actively being blocked by other California schools.

PS: For the Big East: Gonzaga and Memphis.
 
Greedo said:
Ask Maryland. They were classic ACC. They will all leave for more money. FSU, Clemson,UNC, UVA will all be gone and the ACC will need to back fill. It will be a while because they’re all locked into their current deal, but when that ends the ACC as we know it is over.

Those areas are booming you’re right. And that’s why the B1G and SEC will offer to double their ACC payout.
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Not so sure. Florida and South Carolina will fight tooth and nail to keep Florida State and Clemson out, and Florida and South Carolina have more influence than Texas A&M. Besides which why would you spend capital on Florida State? They haven’t won their division title since 2014. Haven’t even been ranked since 2016. Be one thing if you needed a team in Florida but they have one.
 
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