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superjohn said:
Odell Beckham as a NY Giant was getting penalties and fines constantly. He was suspended and there's an Odell Beckham rule in the NFL. They didn't trade him because of his on field production, he became a huge headache and distraction for them. The Giants got to the point as an organization where they "hated" him, the Giants as an organization seem to "love" Skattebo. Trading Beckham is one of the only thing that's worked out for the Gaints since their last Super Bowl.
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Turned him into Dexter Lawrence, which was great.

Just don't ask Carl Banks!
 
superjohn said:
Odell Beckham as a NY Giant was getting penalties and fines constantly. He was suspended and there's an Odell Beckham rule in the NFL. They didn't trade him because of his on field production, he became a huge headache and distraction for them. The Giants got to the point as an organization where they "hated" him, the Giants as an organization seem to "love" Skattebo. Trading Beckham is one of the only thing that's worked out for the Gaints since their last Super Bowl.
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Yeah well I am a Giants fan and I hate the Giants “Organization” as an organization. I gladly take some penalties for Odell’s intensity along with his incredible skillset. I wished at the time more players on the team cared as much as he did.

The trade was fine I guess getting Lawrence but Peppers sucked and we have been to the playoffs once since he left and have been pretty much a laughingstock. Also Odell’s injuries were becoming an issue, I couldn’t care less about the extra curricular stuff.
 
navery12 said:
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I mean look at the Dallas freaking Cowboys as case in point, Americas team. Sports talk reserves time for them and they don’t win, they’re just a circus run by Jerry Jones but fans can’t get enough.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Yeah well I am a Giants fan and I hate the Giants “Organization” as an organization. I gladly take some penalties for Odell’s intensity along with his incredible skillset. I wished at the time more players on the team cared as much as he did.

The trade was fine I guess getting Lawrence but Peppers sucked and we have been to the playoffs once since he left and have been pretty much a laughingstock. Also Odell’s injuries were becoming an issue, I couldn’t care less about the extra curricular stuff.
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Odell was washed at 28 years old. He gave the Browns one solid season after the trade and did catch a TD in the Super Bowl for the Rams but he was basically washed after he got traded from the Giants.

I'm also a Giants fan and can't stand the organization but that trade worked out for them. They no longer had to deal with the Odell headache/distraction and they got Dexter. If Odell was anything like his first three seasons in the NFL post trade it would be another reason to rip the Giants.

I just don't see how he's like Skattebo.
 
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superjohn said:
Odell was washed at 28 years old. He gave the Browns one solid season after the trade and did catch a TD in the Super Bowl for the Rams but he was basically washed after he got traded from the Giants.

I'm also a Giants fan and can't stand the organization but that trade worked out for them. They no longer had to deal with the Odell headache/distraction and they got Dexter. If Odell was anything like his first three seasons in the NFL post trade it would be another reason to rip the Giants.

I just don't see how he's like Skattebo.
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Washed because of injuries, I don’t dock players because of that. Also I don’t dock players who wear their emotions and intensity on their sleeves. Especially for an organization like the Giants that has been so robotic and seemingly somewhat content with medocrity. Dexter is great and I love him, but its not like we have turned the corner as a franchise in his time here.

I didn’t say Odell and Skatt were the same, I was referring to them both as emotional intense players. I like it from both. Some people get criticism, some don’t. I think if Odell went into the blue tent to check up on someone it wouldn’t have been as well received in the media as when Skatt did it, but that’s neither here nor there.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Washed because of injuries, I don’t dock players because of that. Also I don’t dock players who wear their emotions and intensity on their sleeves. Especially for an organization like the Giants that has been so robotic and seemingly somewhat content with medocrity. Dexter is great and I love him, but its not like we have turned the corner as a franchise in his time here.

I didn’t say Odell and Skatt were the same, I was referring to them both as emotional intense players. I like it from both. Some people get criticism, some don’t. I think if Odell went into the blue tent to check up on someone it wouldn’t have been as well received in the media as when Skatt did it, but that’s neither here nor there.
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Yeah, all i said was he was washed and the Giants got Dex so it worked out.

You brought Skattebo into it. Of course there's some fans who loved Odell and love Skattebo and some who hate Odell and Skattebo. The Giants got to the point where they "hated" Odell because of all the fines, penalties, the suspension etc. Skattebo doesn't have any of that and from everything I've read the Giants "love" him.

Skattebo followed his coach's lead peaking his head in the tent. I highly doubt the media would freak out on Beckham for doing that.
 
Today is the NBA’s golden age? Is he drinking or smoking or just trying to get clicks from people? I can’t even entertain this with words. Obviously, 80s thru the 90s and possibly up thru Kobe and early LeBron was the best time. Post covid nba has been tuff to watch. That’s why I love how my sports seasons go. Ill watch a little bit of regular season NBA and then as soon as March madness ends, I’ll lock in for the playoffs. Right now it’s NFL college hoops, and college football on my plate. What else would it be ?
 
superjohn said:
Yeah, all i said was he was washed and the Giants got Dex so it worked out.

You brought Skattebo into it. Of course there's some fans who loved Odell and love Skattebo and some who hate Odell and Skattebo. The Giants got to the point where they "hated" Odell because of all the fines, penalties, the suspension etc. Skattebo doesn't have any of that and from everything I've read the Giants "love" him.

Skattebo followed his coach's lead peaking his head in the tent. I highly doubt the media would freak out on Beckham for doing that.
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Well Skatt got fined but that’s neither here nor there.

I brought him up because they are emotional players, that’s all. No need to dig further.

Agree to disagree on your last point.
 
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superjohn said:
I'm a Banks fan but he was wrong for that.
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Agree on both comments. I think Lawrence is still recovering from the injury last season. No need to be super critical while a guy is playing injured.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Agree on both comments. I think Lawrence is still recovering from the injury last season. No need to be super critical while a guy is playing injured.
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Yep and Lawrence has been double teamed for than any player in the NFL this season.
 
It is the golden age of fantasy sports.

In any other age, Tony Romo would be a huge disappointment. He lost every big game he played in. He couldn't even hold for a game winning field goal. In today's "fantasy" environment, he is consider one of the greats because he produced big fantasy points.

This true in every sport. Your fantasy numbers are more important that your impact on winning and losing. So no. This is not the golden age of sports.
 
JB75 said:
Today is the NBA’s golden age? Is he drinking or smoking or just trying to get clicks from people? I can’t even entertain this with words. Obviously, 80s thru the 90s and possibly up thru Kobe and early LeBron was the best time. Post covid nba has been tuff to watch. That’s why I love how my sports seasons go. Ill watch a little bit of regular season NBA and then as soon as March madness ends, I’ll lock in for the playoffs. Right now it’s NFL college hoops, and college football on my plate. What else would it be ?
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It's ESPN so it's all about eyeballs.

I liked the NBA of the 80s/90s with a lot of very competitive teams, a lot of tough defense, and a bevy of amazing players.

NCAA men's? The last 30 years has been great wink, wink
NAAA women's? Same

Golf - Tiger years but some remember Nichlaus, Palmer, Player, etc.

MLB - 1998 before they proved it was juicing but in general the 80s had some epic players.

NFL - Lions fan so now is it.

NHL - Probably mid-Gretzky years to when he retired. Not just for him, but a lot of great teams and players.

MLS - still not there on the men's side, but opening it up to FIFA good toss up between Messa/Ronaldo plus a dozen or so A- players and the Pele years.
 
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Lafayette said:
It's ESPN so it's all about eyeballs.

I liked the NBA of the 80s/90s with a lot of very competitive teams, a lot of tough defense, and a bevy of amazing players.

NCAA men's? The last 30 years has been great wink, wink
NAAA women's? Same

Golf - Tiger years but some remember Nichlaus, Palmer, Player, etc.

MLB - 1998 before they proved it was juicing but in general the 80s had some epic players.

NFL - Lions fan so now is it.

NHL - Probably mid-Gretzky years to when he retired. Not just for him, but a lot of great teams and players.

MLS - still not there on the men's side, but opening it up to FIFA good toss up between Messa/Ronaldo plus a dozen or so A- players and the Pele years.
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Used to be espn 11pm sports center was must see tv for the nightly highlights , now it’s all fluff talking heads and human interest stories so crazy how it’s changed. ESPN has fallen off so hard. So corny now. Sad.
 
JB75 said:
Used to be espn 11pm sports center was must see tv for the nightly highlights , now it’s all fluff talking heads and human interest stories so crazy how it’s changed. ESPN has fallen off so hard. So corny now. Sad.
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The reason SportsCenter was so cool was to see all the highlights. Now every highlight is available at your fingertips on 100 different social media platforms within seconds. There's no value in a highlight show anymore
 
JB75 said:
Used to be espn 11pm sports center was must see tv for the nightly highlights , now it’s all fluff talking heads and human interest stories so crazy how it’s changed. ESPN has fallen off so hard. So corny now. Sad.
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I like human interest stories but it seems like any time I've tuned into ESPN in recent years it's dumb people with terrible takes arguing with each other. It's like a much dumber Crossfire from back in the day with much dumber people.
 
navery12 said:
A lot of Lawrence's struggles point to Shane Bowen too. He's being completely misused

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Big blue view had a decent write up about this.

I don't particularly like Daboll/Schoen but I'm very surprised Bowen still has his job.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Big blue view had a decent write up about this.

I don't particularly like Daboll/Schoen but I'm very surprised Bowen still has his job.
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I think it's Daboll's last ditch effort to save his job after the year. He can sell it as the offense and Dart being good and Bowen's defense held them back. Hopefully not successfully, I think Daboll and Schoen are gone and the Giants will be surprisingly attractive to prospective coaches
 
JB75 said:
Used to be espn 11pm sports center was must see tv for the nightly highlights , now it’s all fluff talking heads and human interest stories so crazy how it’s changed. ESPN has fallen off so hard. So corny now. Sad.
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It wouldn't matter if you had all of the ESPN "greats" or not. Having a dedicated highlight show is irrelevant when I can find any highlight I want in a nanosecond. Why would anyone wait to tune in to see/hear them?
 
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boog204 said:
It wouldn't matter if you had all of the ESPN "greats" or not. Having a dedicated highlight show is irrelevant when I can find any highlight I want in a nanosecond. Why would anyone wait to tune in to see/hear them?
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The calls brought a different feel to the highlights.

Stuart Scott’s commentary on Kobe’s 81 go hand in hand. Game is missing that these days.

Closest thing we get is SVP on Bad Beats. Just another element of storytelling ESPN got rid of as the “leaders in sports”.
 
I understand that we have highlights at our fingertips now— but sometimes it’s nice to sit down after a long day Just pop the TV on and watch some highlights like it used to be -instead of weaving through my phone. Little cool old school feel. Plus espn was more comprehensive with their highlights. Just doesn’t have same feel using my phone as far as overall highlights goes. I mean shoot if I’m watching ESPN SportsCenter anyways I’m doing it for the highlights and the interviews after with a little bit of analysis sprinkled in— am I wrong ?
 
navery12 said:
I think it's Daboll's last ditch effort to save his job after the year. He can sell it as the offense and Dart being good and Bowen's defense held them back. Hopefully not successfully, I think Daboll and Schoen are gone and the Giants will be surprisingly attractive to prospective coaches
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Agreed. I don't think that the jolt with Dart has anything to do with Daboll's stewardship.

I'll give credit to Daboll and Schoen for identifying that Dart was a hail Mary play to save their jobs by tethering themselves to a rookie QB but if you look at Maye in NE its a recent example of changing coaches after a promising rookie year didn't have a negative effect.

I'm really high on Dart - I think he's the kind of guy that can make an offense better by himself.

Where as even though I liked Jones and I'm not so shocked he's doing well in Indy, he's a guy that needs a perfect situation to succeed.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
Agreed. I don't think that the jolt with Dart has anything to do with Daboll's stewardship.

I'll give credit to Daboll and Schoen for identifying that Dart was a hail Mary play to save their jobs by tethering themselves to a rookie QB but if you look at Maye in NE its a recent example of changing coaches after a promising rookie year didn't have a negative effect.

I'm really high on Dart - I think he's the kind of guy that can make an offense better by himself.

Where as even though I liked Jones and I'm not so shocked he's doing well in Indy, he's a guy that needs a perfect situation to succeed.
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Take it to the women's board
 
Back to the OP, saying entering a new golden age is fair. The question was for awhile was where is the new crop of stars? Well, they're here now. SGA, Luka. Wemby just to start. There are so many good players a rebuild can come anywhere, not just in the big cities. A smart front office can assemble a contender in just a few years. Look at the Knicks, for crying out loud. There aren't just more great players than ever before, there are more good players than ever before.
 
For me the Golden Age will always be 1990 to 1999. The 10 years leading to NCAA Championship #1 and revenge against K and Duke. It was as emotionally invested as I've ever been in sports.

That said... i enjoy modern NBA with it's parity.
 
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