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OT: Give Kevin Ollie Credit

mauconnfan said:
Brooks Bros as well when they were part of the working man, yep agree. But Jay did look dapper but prolly more like Gotti than Calhoun.

I still like the pullover look, heck its my attire with my company name on every color available. That way the boss can't tell whether I'm visiting clients or playing 18. (shorts are in the car)
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Your boss knows whether you're visiting clients or playing 18.
 
Connecticut13 said:
Eh, I don't know. We'll never really know, will we? In my eyes, that 2014 trophy was because of Shabazz Napier, Ryan Boatright and Deandre Daniels (among other players - none of whom were brought in by Ollie).

Of course, the debate over Kevin Ollie on the Boneyard isn't new. I usually stay out of it. But I couldn't resist making a comment this time!
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We'll never know, will we? Maybe they'd have won it all in 2014 if Calhoun stayed. Maybe Howie Dickenman could have led them to a 40-0 record. Maybe Ollie kept Phil Nolan from winning a Naismith award. Truly this is a form a debate worthy of pursuit.
 
Connecticut13 said:
Eh, I don't know. We'll never really know, will we? In my eyes, that 2014 trophy was because of Shabazz Napier, Ryan Boatright and Deandre Daniels (among other players - none of whom were brought in by Ollie).

Of course, the debate over Kevin Ollie on the Boneyard isn't new. I usually stay out of it. But I couldn't resist making a comment this time!
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The usual discussion about Ollie has been about the trophy and the later atrophy.

Or, whether Ollie was riding the Calhoun trolley
Followed by malfeasance and folly.

The usual grist for the mill
About the descent downhill.
 
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mauconnfan said:
I will bite lol.

Kevins suits were very nice, relative to your flavor of course. Jay wore some high end Italians as well more to my liking but both were well dressed coaches.

Having said that I will go one further I like the variety of 1/4 zip Nova pullovers Jay and his staff wore this past year to all games. I liked them much getter than the suit/sport jacket - no tie look our coaches wore all year, especially when buttoning white shirts to the to without a tie. Uggghhh

Hope they go to the UConn pullovers, casual wear this coming year much better look.

Ok have at it LOL
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Not only an expect on mau-surements. But an expert on mau-fashion.
 
Improviser said:
The usual discussion about Ollie has been about the trophy and the later atrophy.

Or, whether Ollie was riding the Calhoun trolley
Followed by malfeasance and folly.

The usual grist for the mill
About the descent downhill.
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The comment I replied to said that we wouldn't have won the 2014 championship without Ollie. I stand by my response. It could be true, but I don't know it to be the case.

It was a special group of kids -- they were not only talented, but they had a unique toughness and desire to win. What I do know is that the team doesn't win the championship without Napier. They don't win without Boatright. They don't win without Daniels.

Ultimately, though - the point is this -- Kevin Ollie obviously did a much better job when he first started in 2013 and 2014. There was clearly a descent downhill. But that descent (which I still believe was more due to lack of effort than lack of ability) forever tarnished what he accomplished. He left us in such an awful place that I can't remember him for anything else but that.
 
Connecticut13 said:
The comment I replied to said that we wouldn't have won the 2014 championship without Ollie. I stand by my response. It could be true, but I don't know it to be the case.

It was a special group of kids -- they were not only talented, but they had a unique toughness and desire to win. What I do know is that the team doesn't win the championship without Napier. They don't win without Boatright. They don't win without Daniels.

Ultimately, though - the point is this -- Kevin Ollie obviously did a much better job when he first started in 2013 and 2014. There was clearly a descent downhill. But that descent (which I still believe was more due to lack of effort than lack of ability) forever tarnished what he accomplished. He left us in such an awful place that I can't remember him for anything else but that.
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You are right they don't win without Daniels but again, answer me how many minutes did Deandre play for JC or was he yanked from games quickly. Then remind me of the awful soph year Bazz had (he was a handful along with Oriahki so was the team) only to be revived by KO and his staff in 13 and 14. This wasn't just 14 and the NC it was KOs first year in which he took a team with nothing to play for because of APR to a 20-10 season the Big East.

He left us in an awful place, the only fact you get correct!
 
We’ll this has to be the most “out of nowhere” thread I’ve seen today. Looking for some way to segue Wright’s retirement into yet another discussion about Ollie, I guess. Tiring.
 
connVA said:
We’ll this has to be the most “out of nowhere” thread I’ve seen today. Looking for some way to segue Wright’s retirement into yet another discussion about Ollie, I guess. Tiring.
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So the cool thing about the Boneyard is if you read a title that is tiring you never have to read any of it so that you call it "tiring"!

But I agree and you are correct,. For some reason I have trouble staying out of the weeds in this though, highly unusual.:oops:
 
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mauconnfan said:
So the cool thing about the Boneyard is if you read a title that is tiring you never have to read any of it so that you call it "tiring"!

But I agree and you are correct,. For some reason I have trouble staying out of the weeds in this though, highly unusual.:oops:
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Unfortunately the thread title wasn’t particularly helpful. I thought we were getting some new nugget on Overtime Elite or whatever. If, on the other hand, it was something like “Gotta give Ollie credit for being a better dresser than Jay Wright”, I and most others here wouldn’t have wasted our time.
 
connVA said:
Unfortunately the thread title wasn’t particularly helpful. I thought we were getting some new nugget on Overtime Elite or whatever. If, on the other hand, it was something like “Gotta give Ollie credit for being a better dresser than Jay Wright”, I and most others here wouldn’t have wasted our time.
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I guess a thread reviewer is like a book or movie reviewer.

You have to read the entire book or see the entire movie to give a complete review, like Leonard Maltin does or like Siskel and Ebert did.

I wonder if Ollie reads the BY when he sees his name in a thread. He might have read this one because the title sounds flattering.

If he read it through (like he hasn't heard all this before), he may just cry all the way to the bank.
 
fleudslipcon said:
We're reaching the point where the position expressed by Connecticut13 might be exceeding the duration of the contention that "Jerome Dyson was a lousy player because he never won a post season game!".

I give Chief credit for lasting as long as he did arguing that point well after everyone else moved on. His nadir was your zenith BigErn. Before then you were kind of languishing. It got to the point many Boneyarders were waiting for one of your quips in response to Chief. And you never failed us. Only thing different between then and now is you have a lot more fish in the barrel to choose from.
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That was really not my problem with Jerome at the time. True, Chief wasn’t a fan of his 9 turnover game in FL, etc. But, my issue at the time was lack of game prep. He played hard but even Jim said publicly if one is to criticize Jerome it was lack of game prep. A lack of game prep not only lets yourself down but your teammates.
Chief and Jerome have made up and we are on the same page. No one today would agree more with Chief than Jerome.
 
Connecticut13 said:
The comment I replied to said that we wouldn't have won the 2014 championship without Ollie. I stand by my response. It could be true, but I don't know it to be the case.

It was a special group of kids -- they were not only talented, but they had a unique toughness and desire to win. What I do know is that the team doesn't win the championship without Napier. They don't win without Boatright. They don't win without Daniels.

Ultimately, though - the point is this -- Kevin Ollie obviously did a much better job when he first started in 2013 and 2014. There was clearly a descent downhill. But that descent (which I still believe was more due to lack of effort than lack of ability) forever tarnished what he accomplished. He left us in such an awful place that I can't remember him for anything else but that.
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Chief will always believe it had more to do with his personal life than basketball. For reasons others have discussed, personal issues just crowded out basketball and kind of consumed him. It wasn’t the KO I knew during other times in his life. Then he got in a legal process with the school and regardless of what someone may have thought of that, he did prevail but he wasn’t really driving the bus. The lawyers did their thing and apparently he was a good client who listen to his attorney.
I don’t personalize either Situation like so many here do. Life goes on and some here need to learn how to let go.
 
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Chief00 said:
Chief will always believe it had more to do with his personal life than basketball. For reasons others have discussed, personal issues just crowded out basketball and kind of consumed him. It wasn’t the KO I knew during other times in his life. Then he got in a legal process with the school and regardless of what someone may have thought of that, he did prevail but he wasn’t really driving the bus. The lawyers did their thing and apparently he was a good client who listen to his attorney.
I don’t personalize either Situation like so many here do. Life goes on and some here need to learn how to let go.
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In hindsight (how convenient), the two questions that should be asked about KO - was he ready to run a MAJOR program? (No) and was he ready to be the guy to follow/manage JC? (absolutely NO!). His personal situation was some part cause and some part effect to his ultimate demise. But he was over his head from Day 1. When JC's recruits left, it. became painfully obvious.

Kevin Ollie without a divorce doesn't change this.
 
Sonova said:
In hindsight (how convenient), the two questions that should be asked about KO - was he ready to run a MAJOR program? (No) and was he ready to be the guy to follow/manage JC? (absolutely NO!). His personal situation was some part cause and some part effect to his ultimate demise. But he was over his head from Day 1. When JC's recruits left, it. became painfully obvious.

Kevin Ollie without a divorce doesn't change this.
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Let’s be fair, JC players left because the team went on post season probation in 2013. Remarkably he coach them to a Championship a year later.
You are free to feel that a contentious divorce with children, accusations and money involved is a non event in someone’s life. I beg to differ. This is not to say he didn’t make mistakes, but rather Chief is fine with closing that chapter of his life and not letting it define KO in my eyes. Honestly, my most important take away today is that KO is a good dad, he has a great relationship with his kids. That tells me more about him, than various posts here from the usual Glen Miller crew.
 
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socal613ws said:
I'd take him over Hurley, at least he knew how to coach
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I’d say Ollie was a much better game coach but his inability to have a family of coaches with no dissension was a huge negative, not to mention recruiting falling off a cliff after Calhoun retired, and of course, and I don’t know if the whispers were true, not focusing on all of a coaches duties.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
I’d say Ollie was a much better game coach but his inability to have a family of coaches with no dissension was a huge negative, not to mention recruiting falling off a cliff after Calhoun retired, and of course, and I don’t know if the whispers were true, not focusing on all of a coaches duties.
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how much do you think that's playing in the American tho, if Uconn was in the Big East with Ollie I think the recruiting would have been better. It's the honest truth, the American draws no money. Houston has to have the best coachin possible and even then they get beat up by great teams
 
CONN78SEJ said:
I’d say Ollie was a much better game coach but his inability to have a family of coaches with no dissension was a huge negative, not to mention recruiting falling off a cliff after Calhoun retired, and of course, and I don’t know if the whispers were true, not focusing on all of a coaches duties.
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Ollie had a great run of in game coaching. However, having two point guards with the ability to take over a game on the floor at all times sure did help. I’m pretty sure if Bazz and Boat were our starting backcourt the last two years, we would have won some NCAA tournament games. Maybe, a lot of tournament games.
 
socal613ws said:
how much do you think that's playing in the American tho, if Uconn was in the Big East with Ollie I think the recruiting would have been better. It's the honest truth, the American draws no money. Houston has to have the best coachin possible and even then they get beat up by great teams
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Going on probation and Calhoun’s retirement hurt a lot more than changing leagues. The rumors about Ollie being involved in the recruiting violations hurt the most though.
 
CONN78SEJ said:
Going on probation and Calhoun’s retirement hurt a lot more than changing leagues. The rumors about Ollie being involved in the recruiting violations hurt the most though.
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I wonder how many head coaches would survive a mole assistant coach in terms of recruiting violations?
At any rate, One lesson KO has hopefully learned is that when you are successful it doesn’t matter who else gets the credit - there’s enough to go around. After 2014 he would have benefited immensely from having Jim around. After what he went through since, was it really such a big deal that Jim was given so much credit for having “Calhoun’s Players” win the 2014 NC with KO? He got plenty of the credit too and he should have just enjoyed that fact, rather than feel disrespected for having to share that coaching credit.
 
Chief00 said:
I wonder how many head coaches would survive a mole assistant coach in terms of recruiting violations?
At any rate, One lesson KO has hopefully learned is that when you are successful it doesn’t matter who else gets the credit - there’s enough to go around. After 2014 he would have benefited immensely from having Jim around. After what he went through since, was it really such a big deal that Jim was given so much credit for having “Calhoun’s Players” win the 2014 NC with KO? He got plenty of the credit too and he should have just enjoyed that fact, rather than feel disrespected for having to share that coaching credit.
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The NBA phone was ringing off the hook, he should have answered it, his life from that point on would have been vastly different.
 
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