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Madmannsucks said:
Because every character implication is just a rumor....unless you have a fact, you should keep it to yourself. If have a fact about something - post it. An opinion about his character is immature and irresponsible.
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No. Some of it is judgment. Let me give you a hypothetical. If UConn fires him for cause because he would not negotiate a deal that would allow him to resign and leave with a lesser amount, does that say anything about his character? It does to me and I am not sure why some mods have a problem with stating that. First of all, it is a hypothetical and, second, it is an opinion. No one presented it as fact.

This hypothetical is being floated out there by several people so why is it not okay to then say, "well, if he does that then I think ." People can't call him "family" and then say he should insist on his full buyout and not expect others to then question the character of a man who would do that. Maybe I expect too much of people.
 
Paesano said:
No. Some of it is judgment. Let me give you a hypothetical. If UConn fires him for cause because he would not negotiate a deal that would allow him to resign and leave with a lesser amount, does that say anything about his character? It does to me and I am not sure why some mods have a problem with stating that. First of all, it is a hypothetical and, second, it is an opinion. No one presented it as fact.

This hypothetical is being floated out there by several people so why is it not okay to then say, "well, if he does that then I think ." People can't call him "family" and then say he should insist on his full buyout and not expect others to then question the character of a man who would do that. Maybe I expect too much of people.
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The only reason this matters is because KO played at UConn. It is what it is, KO will always have his fans.
 
Paesano said:
Would Tom be OK with people commenting on Trump's character? If so, why isn't it ok to discuss the character of a high profile coach being paid over 3mill a year by a umiversity that is impacted by his actions? People shouldn't make false accusations but why are facts an issue? And why is it not ok to say *IF* Ollie does X then it implies Y about his character when X is being openly discussed?
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No he wouldn't. I mean, that's one of the most basic rules on the boneyard: No politics. Which translates to 'no inane pissing matches'.
 
Huskybass said:
Funny that I don't recall Taliek Brown being as polarizing as the KO situation. I liked Taliek alot, perhaps I just wrote off his detractors as nutjobs.
As to conference realignment, I never read that stuff. It just doesn't interest me. If we eventually get into a better conference I will be happy, however, me reading about it on a message board really doesn't impact what happens either way. I really only read the men's basketball posts and occasionally something to do with the women if there is a topic that interests me.
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Really? You don't remember all the jokes about the hook shot being blocked by an armpit? TB was hated, right up until he was loved.
 
Paesano said:
No. Some of it is judgment. Let me give you a hypothetical. If UConn fires him for cause because he would not negotiate a deal that would allow him to resign and leave with a lesser amount, does that say anything about his character? It does to me and I am not sure why some mods have a problem with stating that. First of all, it is a hypothetical and, second, it is an opinion. No one presented it as fact.

This hypothetical is being floated out there by several people so why is it not okay to then say, "well, if he does that then I think ." People can't call him "family" and then say he should insist on his full buyout and not expect others to then question the character of a man who would do that. Maybe I expect too much of people.
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I don't want hypothetical examples if you are attacking his character. If you don't have a fact, keep it to yourself.
 
UConnRock said:
Realistically, I look at Gilbert making a difference (by difference I mean a chance to win) in the following games:

Syracuse, Wichita (H), 2 Tulsa games, UCF, Cincy (H), Arizons, and Memphis (H). Remember Arizona was a 2 point game with 6:00 left. Lets say Uconn wins both Tulsa games, the UCF game, and one each of 'Cuse/Memphis and Wich/Cincy. That is 5 more wins and currently 19-11 with 4 -5 of those wins being in conference, so 11-6 0r 12-5 in conference. That would have been about the expectations if you told me that Larrier was not going to come close to expectations. I would suspect that a true playmaker at PG would have limited several of the huge early deficits that UConn faced in many games when teams focused on Adams and Uconn didn't know which Larrier or Adams was going to show up.

The bottomline is nobody knows where this team could have gone with a healthy Gilbert and a win against Syracuse, maybe Arizona, playing Wichita St. tougher at home, and beating Tulsa. A 4-1 start to the conference schedule would have been a confidence builder. I do think Gilbert would have enhanced the development of the youngsters in the middle. It may have ended up being an NIT team, but it would have been a team with a defined path forward.
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I think you are being a tad optimistic, but it would certainly have made a difference. From an optics perspective, I don't think we'd have as many blowouts, which added insult, upon insult, to injury. We might have seen growth in this team, not regression.

The follow on affect to other players would probably have been the key. The energy he brings is infectious, which would have a huge impact on the team throughout games. The biggest effect would probably have been getting Anderson less time on the court--no offense to the kid. He'd likely have opened things up for Adams, kept him fresher, and put less overall burden on him. Maybe less forced bad shots (vital). Perhaps it would have lead to Larrier getting the ball in better sports, and having less a need to create and turn it over. Bigs getting the ball in better spots, and perhaps more frequently.

This is all complete speculation. No idea how many wins it would translate to, but it would have been far better to watch.
 
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intlzncster said:
I think you are being a tad optimistic, but it would certainly have made a difference. From an optics perspective, I don't think we'd have as many blowouts, which added insult, upon insult, to injury. We might have seen growth in this team, not regression.

The follow on affect to other players would probably have been the key. The energy he brings is infectious, which would have a huge impact on the team throughout games. The biggest effect would probably have been getting Anderson less time on the court--no offense to the kid. He'd likely have opened things up for Adams, kept him fresher, and put less overall burden on him. Maybe less forced bad shots (vital). Perhaps it would have lead to Larrier getting the ball in better sports, and having less a need to create and turn it over. Bigs getting the ball in better spots, and perhaps more frequently.

This is all complete speculation. No idea how many wins it would translate to, but it would have been far better to watch.
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Agree that the product would have been much more pleasurable to watch. It would have been a trickle down effect in terms of PT with less reliance on just Vital and Larrier as options to Adams for scoring. Anderson would have had his expected role off the bench as an energy guy. It would have been less 1-on-1 time at the end of the shot clock because of Gilbert's penetrating and passing ability. Just a more creative offense because of his ability. It is how the team practiced throughout the fall and then it was drastically altered by the injury.
 
Huskybass said:
Funny that I don't recall Taliek Brown being as polarizing as the KO situation. I liked Taliek alot, perhaps I just wrote off his detractors as nutjobs.
As to conference realignment, I never read that stuff. It just doesn't interest me. If we eventually get into a better conference I will be happy, however, me reading about it on a message board really doesn't impact what happens either way. I really only read the men's basketball posts and occasionally something to do with the women if there is a topic that interests me.
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Talek’s teams went 103-35, in an extremely tough Big East Conference, culminating in a national championship his season year. He played great D and had a better than 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. That was at a time when we had a dominant program and needed things to bitch about. Contrast to 2016-18 where we could construct an entire dart board with real issues and never miss once.
 
UConnRock said:
Agree that the product would have been much more pleasurable to watch. It would have been a trickle down effect in terms of PT with less reliance on just Vital and Larrier as options to Adams for scoring. Anderson would have had his expected role off the bench as an energy guy. It would have been less 1-on-1 time at the end of the shot clock because of Gilbert's penetrating and passing ability. Just a more creative offense because of his ability. It is how the team practiced throughout the fall and then it was drastically altered by the injury.
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This has been debated here ad nauseum, with many of us arguing Gilbert’s injury history was too significant to put all your eggs in that one basket. It would have been a huge help to have him but to leave the cupboard so bare if he got hurt again was just gross negligence.
 
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Chief00 said:
Barring running the tables in the conference tournament (low probability), there will be a negotiated buyout after the season concludes.
ChiefCertified#
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Who do you want as the next coach?;)
 
BigJim84 said:
I have been a UCONN Men’s season ticket holder for 33 years and Woman’s 24 years, I looked up at the banners last night 15 and realized how spoiled we are as UCONN fans. We are not entitled to championships or NCAA tournament selections. We should be ashamed of how we are treating Kevin, he who played for us and coached us to a NC in 2014. It wasn’t just a few years ago that we were worried sick that Kevin would leave for the NBA. In his short coaching tenure Kevin has replaced a HOF coach, cleaned up the fall out of a academic progress probation and still won a NC. He deserves a chance to turn this around with his new coaching staff. Kevin has 3 years left on his contract, give him a chance to succeed, get off his back, he deserves our support.
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Amen!
 
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I think a major part of our failure this season is that Ollie set up too tough of a schedule early in the season. We are a young team that needs to get wins early in the season to get confidence and play knowledge. I think we will see a much lighter schedule next season.

With Akinjo, Matthews, and Kisuanas and Sid arriving next year and a possible fourth year with Jalen, I think AD Dave will give Ollie the chance to turn things around with the stipulation that this is his final hurrah if things go bad.
The more I think about it, if Ollie leaves, not only will we have players transfer, Jalen may leave and also our incoming recruits my decommit. Meaning, the Ollie firing would set the program back for years. It is a tough decision to make for AD Dave. I don't envy his position. But if I were him, I would let Ollie coach next year. With four talented guards, an athletic slasher in Sid, true bigs in Carlton and Kisuanas and a much deeper bench, Ollie should bring us back to the tourney and make us a top 25 team again.
 
Chief00 said:
Barring running the tables in the conference tournament (low probability), there will be a negotiated buyout after the season concludes.
ChiefCertified#
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That kind of results oriented thinking is pretty scary if it's coming from the AD. Whether they lose round one or win the whole thing, how does that prove whether or not Ollie has identified the problem areas and is or is not working to fix them?
 
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Chelo said:
I think a major part of our failure this season is that Ollie set up too tough of a schedule early in the season. We are a young team that needs to get wins early in the season to get confidence and play knowledge. I think we will see a much lighter schedule next season.

With Akinjo, Matthews, and Kisuanas and Sid arriving next year and a possible fourth year with Jalen, I think AD Dave will give Ollie the chance to turn things around with the stipulation that this is his final hurrah if things go bad.
The more I think about it, if Ollie leaves, not only will we have players transfer, Jalen may leave and also our incoming recruits my decommit. Meaning, the Ollie firing would set the program back for years. It is a tough decision to make for AD Dave. I don't envy his position. But if I were him, I would let Ollie coach next year. With four talented guards, an athletic slasher in Sid, true bigs in Carlton and Kisuanas and a much deeper bench, Ollie should bring us back to the tourney and make us a top 25 team again.
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Keep in mind the schedule was set before the revamped roster so we assumed we were bringing back more cohesion and experience. A good but doable schedule from that standpoint last May and June
 
Tuna said:
That kind of results oriented thinking is pretty scary if it's coming from the AD. Whether they lose round one or win the whole thing, how does that prove whether or not Ollie has identified the problem areas and is or is not working to fix them?
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At some point you realize that things are not working. One NCAA appearance in 4 seasons is a large enough sample size.
 
Tuna said:
That kind of results oriented thinking is pretty scary if it's coming from the AD. Whether they lose round one or win the whole thing, how does that prove whether or not Ollie has identified the problem areas and is or is not working to fix them?
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If KO can bring this team back from the dead and win the conference tournament - and take us dancing - he deserves another year. Unlike most logical people, I don’t totally discount to zero that possibility. Otherwise, things will change.
 
MervthePurvis said:
Keep in mind the schedule was set before the revamped roster so we assumed we were bringing back more cohesion and experience. A good but doable schedule from that standpoint last May and June
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I think it would be a huge mistake to dumb down future schedules based on the last couple of years performance. Playing elite teams home/away and on neutral courts is a legacy from our brand of winning NC’s. Let’s not magnify the damage and throw that away too. We just need to get much better on the court and that should be our focus.
 
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Chief00 said:
The “fridge” is prime, as they say in the newspaper business, above the fold space.
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