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mauconnfan said:
Say what you want but you don't like the man. I'm chilled but no Giants fan in his right mind actually believes Tony Romo (close only because he's had the best OLine in football his whole career, only reason and yet he hasn't won ANYTHING), Philip Rivers, Palmer or Russell Wilson are as good as this guy. For whatever reason, and I don't really care, you despise your QB who has done so much yet you don't see it? Crazy man, just crazy. Makes you think the same as Pats fans.

And no one says you have to believe your guy, whatever position whatever sport, has to be the best according to you. Just sometimes there's other reasons, and this has to be one of them. I mean what else can the man do for his fans?
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You're being unreasonable and ridiculous. I hate him? I don't like the man? He's actually one of my favorite athletes, love Eli's personality I'm just a realist when it comes to how great he is. I've said he's a good QB a million times but you claimed he is one of the best and I just don't agree with that. Eli is the most intercepted quarterback of the last decade or so and has led the league in interceptions three times in his career, you will probably blame that on not having any good receivers or having no running game. I love the Giants and love Eli but I don't play the game of saying the players on my team are the best in the league just because they are on my team.
 
superjohn said:
You're being unreasonable and ridiculous. I hate him? I don't like the man? He's actually one of my favorite athletes, love Eli's personality I'm just a realist when it comes to how great he is. I've said he's a good QB a million times but you claimed he is one of the best and I just don't agree with that. Eli is the most intercepted quarterback of the last decade or so and has led the league in interceptions three times in his career, you will probably blame that on not having any good receivers or having no running game. I love the Giants and love Eli but I don't play the game of saying the players on my team are the best in the league just because they are on my team.
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Eli is what he is high risk high reward, ill take it, around a bad team there isn't a lot of reward. Now can the Giants tank the season please.
 
The fact that it seems to be a near consensus among Giant fans to fire Coughlin is baffling to me. I understand that this would signal the fourth year in a row without a postseason appearance, but HE'S WON TWO SUPER BOWLS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. As an Eagles fan, I'd give just about anything for them to win one of those things. I don't want to say some of you are spoiled but some of you are spoiled. I realize it's senseless to pay now for past victories, but at what point do those past victories - victories of which, by the way, followed almost identical dialogue that is ongoing now - represent a pattern of success that is, if not perfectly predictable, at least plausible?

Look, Andy Reid coached my team for over a decade. And as much as I love the guy, there cannot possibly ever be a coach in the history of sports that consistently provoked more unbridled confusion and frustration from his fan base. So I get it - it's one thing to watch your team lose, it's another to watch them lose in a fashion that causes you to question whether sports is just another word for self-harm.

But s***, if the results of four and eight years ago are going to be so thoughtlessly described as events that have no baring on the future, then maybe we should at least consider the fact that there have been a hell of a lot of plays this season that, completely independent of coaching, also have no baring on the future.

I'll ask: if Eli Manning doesn't throw the ball away against Dallas, if Landon Collins doesn't drop an interception that amounted to a fair catch, if Stephen Gostowski doesn't nail a 55 yard field goal (I can go on)...are you saying the same thing right now? Because if you're not, then I think you're making what ought to be a purely objective decision in the aftermath of a game where human emotion makes that impossible.

Frankly, I don't think the Giants are very talented. Until JPP returned, their front seven was among the worst in the league. They can't run the ball. Their offensive line has been poor. As a coach, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do when you're starting from a disadvantage on both sides of the line of scrimmage...and yet still, this is a team that could easily be 8-4.

Coughlin is part of the problem, not the problem. But he was part of the problem four years ago and eight years ago, too, and then suddenly he became part of the success. I understand wanting to go with a younger guy if the future is going to demand a painful rebuilding process, but if you're rational for cutting ties is that he went for it up ten today (a decision I agree with, by the way) then I think you're looking at this wrong.
 
champs99and04 said:
The fact that it seems to be a near consensus among Giant fans to fire Coughlin is baffling to me. I understand that this would signal the fourth year in a row without a postseason appearance, but HE'S WON TWO SUPER BOWLS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. As an Eagles fan, I'd give just about anything for them to win one of those things. I don't want to say some of you are spoiled but some of you are spoiled. I realize it's senseless to pay now for past victories, but at what point do those past victories - victories of which, by the way, followed almost identical dialogue that is ongoing now - represent a pattern of success that is, if not perfectly predictable, at least plausible?

Look, Andy Reid coached my team for over a decade. And as much as I love the guy, there cannot possibly ever be a coach in the history of sports that consistently provoked more unbridled confusion and frustration from his fan base. So I get it - it's one thing to watch your team lose, it's another to watch them lose in a fashion that causes you to question whether sports is just another word for self-harm.

But s***, if the results of four and eight years ago are going to be so thoughtlessly described as events that have no baring on the future, then maybe we should at least consider the fact that there have been a hell of a lot of plays this season that, completely independent of coaching, also have no baring on the future.

I'll ask: if Eli Manning doesn't throw the ball away against Dallas, if Landon Collins doesn't drop an interception that amounted to a fair catch, if Stephen Gostowski doesn't nail a 55 yard field goal (I can go on)...are you saying the same thing right now? Because if you're not, then I think you're making what ought to be a purely objective decision in the aftermath of a game where human emotion makes that impossible.

Frankly, I don't think the Giants are very talented. Until JPP returned, their front seven was among the worst in the league. They can't run the ball. Their offensive line has been poor. As a coach, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do when you're starting from a disadvantage on both sides of the line of scrimmage...and yet still, this is a team that could easily be 8-4.

Coughlin is part of the problem, not the problem. But he was part of the problem four years ago and eight years ago, too, and then suddenly he became part of the success. I understand wanting to go with a younger guy if the future is going to demand a painful rebuilding process, but if you're rational for cutting ties is that he went for it up ten today (a decision I agree with, by the way) then I think you're looking at this wrong.
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But the reason we want him to resign(firing him would be disrespectful, if you're gonna fire him wait till the seasons over) is that his playcalling at the end of games has been very bad. Passing it when there's 2 minutes left and not running out the clock, going for it when a field goal would've made it a 13 pt game, playing Andre Williams who couldn't make a rock miss, etc. For a coach who has been in and around the game for so long, he has showed a lack of knowledge and situational play calling, and that makes me believe it's time for him to hang em up. All respect to him that he has won us 2 super bowls, but we haven't been to the playoffs in 4 years, doesn't look like that's gonna change, and have been mediocre since.
 
champs first of all nice win last night. Took it to Mr Brady, well done.

But the Coughlin thing is really easy. Coaches are supposed to make up for the lack of talent and get the best out of them right, put them in the right situations to win? I agree this is not a talented Giants team and numerous injuries have made it almost ugly at times. But he mismanaged the clock in the Cowboys, Falcons and even the Saints. Win 2 of those 3 easily with correct coaching decisions. Yesterday was obvious as the FG was enough, people can say what they want but the Jets were not getting 2 TD's. Love the guy but they haven't been really good for a long time and while a lot is also on the GM, it's time. He was great for the Giants, but they need to change it up it's business.
 
superjohn said:
You're being unreasonable and ridiculous. I hate him? I don't like the man? He's actually one of my favorite athletes, love Eli's personality I'm just a realist when it comes to how great he is. I've said he's a good QB a million times but you claimed he is one of the best and I just don't agree with that. Eli is the most intercepted quarterback of the last decade or so and has led the league in interceptions three times in his career, you will probably blame that on not having any good receivers or having no running game. I love the Giants and love Eli but I don't play the game of saying the players on my team are the best in the league just because they are on my team.
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All good sj but I don't play that game either it just so happens he is one of the best.
 
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champs99and04 said:
The fact that it seems to be a near consensus among Giant fans to fire Coughlin is baffling to me. I understand that this would signal the fourth year in a row without a postseason appearance, but HE'S WON TWO SUPER BOWLS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. As an Eagles fan, I'd give just about anything for them to win one of those things. I don't want to say some of you are spoiled but some of you are spoiled. I realize it's senseless to pay now for past victories, but at what point do those past victories - victories of which, by the way, followed almost identical dialogue that is ongoing now - represent a pattern of success that is, if not perfectly predictable, at least plausible?

Look, Andy Reid coached my team for over a decade. And as much as I love the guy, there cannot possibly ever be a coach in the history of sports that consistently provoked more unbridled confusion and frustration from his fan base. So I get it - it's one thing to watch your team lose, it's another to watch them lose in a fashion that causes you to question whether sports is just another word for self-harm.

But s***, if the results of four and eight years ago are going to be so thoughtlessly described as events that have no baring on the future, then maybe we should at least consider the fact that there have been a hell of a lot of plays this season that, completely independent of coaching, also have no baring on the future.

I'll ask: if Eli Manning doesn't throw the ball away against Dallas, if Landon Collins doesn't drop an interception that amounted to a fair catch, if Stephen Gostowski doesn't nail a 55 yard field goal (I can go on)...are you saying the same thing right now? Because if you're not, then I think you're making what ought to be a purely objective decision in the aftermath of a game where human emotion makes that impossible.

Frankly, I don't think the Giants are very talented. Until JPP returned, their front seven was among the worst in the league. They can't run the ball. Their offensive line has been poor. As a coach, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do when you're starting from a disadvantage on both sides of the line of scrimmage...and yet still, this is a team that could easily be 8-4.

Coughlin is part of the problem, not the problem. But he was part of the problem four years ago and eight years ago, too, and then suddenly he became part of the success. I understand wanting to go with a younger guy if the future is going to demand a painful rebuilding process, but if you're rational for cutting ties is that he went for it up ten today (a decision I agree with, by the way) then I think you're looking at this wrong.
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Coughlin loses game after game with his lousy game day coaching. He is one of the worse in the league at managing the clock, that has cost the giants at least four game this season.

And worse, his goal for the team this year was "finishing." If that was his main goal, he has failed miserably. The giants have led in the last two minutes 10 times this year. Ten times. They have blow the lead five ties.

Finally, if this is such a big talent program, how has the team managed to lead game with less than two minutes left. That is proof they have not been short on talent. They have the talent to play with anyone --even with the rash of injuries. That is badge of honor for Reese.

Yes, Eli and the defense dragged his sorry ass to the SB twice. But even in those games his clock management made him look like a donkey.
 
zyron said:
I remember watching Dave Brown, Danney Kannell and Kent Graham as the starting QB of Giants. I think Eli bashers are forgetting about them.
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The post-Simms, pre-Collins Giants were a mess at QB every year, and even Collins was only pretty good. Eli may not be an elite QB, but if you've been a Giants fan for more than the last ten years, you know how hard it can be to find even an above-average starter sometimes.
 
mauconnfan said:
Say what you want but you don't like the man. I'm chilled but no Giants fan in his right mind actually believes Tony Romo (close only because he's had the best OLine in football his whole career, only reason and yet he hasn't won ANYTHING),
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Mau, you're way off here. Romo had a great line ONE season (last year), and he put up MVP numbers. The year before that the line was average to above-average, every other season it's been bad. He's still put up great numbers. Eli is more clutch, and plays better in the playoffs, but during the regular season there's no question who's the better QB.
 
Palatine said:
Coughlin loses game after game with his lousy game day coaching. He is one of the worse in the league at managing the clock, that has cost the giants at least four game this season.

And worse, his goal for the team this year was "finishing." If that was his main goal, he has failed miserably. The giants have led in the last two minutes 10 times this year. Ten times. They have blow the lead five ties.

Finally, if this is such a big talent program, how has the team managed to lead game with less than two minutes left. That is proof they have not been short on talent. They have the talent to play with anyone --even with the rash of injuries. That is badge of honor for Reese.

Yes, Eli and the defense dragged his sorry ass to the SB twice. But even in those games his clock management made him look like a donkey.
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I've always liked Coughlin and I respect what he has accomplished but it's either him or the offensive coordinator making those crazy end of game calls. Honestly, yesterday's call to go for it on 4th down with 8 minutes is not the way he used to coach, he was very conservative closing out games in past years. Maybe it's the blood flow to his brain.
 
I have always been a Coughlin fan, like his style and manner. But this year has seen too much clock mismanagemenet, and he's also making uncharacteristic calls. 4th down yesterday, that pointless challenge of the spot that might have made a difference of 2 meaningless yards? Its just not the way he's been. I hate to say it and I haven't before today, but its time. It seems like his best days are behind him.
 
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August_West said:
I'm just looking for the right thread to say LoL Pats. Is this the right one?
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Come on, this is just your sneaky way of gloating after the Jets over the Giants yesterday. Sniffed that out from a mile away.
 
intlzncster said:
Come on, this is just your sneaky way of gloating after the Jets over the Giants yesterday. Sniffed that out from a mile away.
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I get pretty much ZERO gloating opportunities as a football fan. Please let me have my one perfect day. A late win over the Giants and then the Eagles taking out the Pats? Thats my frickin' Superbowl man. Ive got nothing else.
 
champs99and04 said:
The fact that it seems to be a near consensus among Giant fans to fire Coughlin is baffling to me. I understand that this would signal the fourth year in a row without a postseason appearance, but HE'S WON TWO SUPER BOWLS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. As an Eagles fan, I'd give just about anything for them to win one of those things. I don't want to say some of you are spoiled but some of you are spoiled. I realize it's senseless to pay now for past victories, but at what point do those past victories - victories of which, by the way, followed almost identical dialogue that is ongoing now - represent a pattern of success that is, if not perfectly predictable, at least plausible?

Look, Andy Reid coached my team for over a decade. And as much as I love the guy, there cannot possibly ever be a coach in the history of sports that consistently provoked more unbridled confusion and frustration from his fan base. So I get it - it's one thing to watch your team lose, it's another to watch them lose in a fashion that causes you to question whether sports is just another word for self-harm.

But s***, if the results of four and eight years ago are going to be so thoughtlessly described as events that have no baring on the future, then maybe we should at least consider the fact that there have been a hell of a lot of plays this season that, completely independent of coaching, also have no baring on the future.

I'll ask: if Eli Manning doesn't throw the ball away against Dallas, if Landon Collins doesn't drop an interception that amounted to a fair catch, if Stephen Gostowski doesn't nail a 55 yard field goal (I can go on)...are you saying the same thing right now? Because if you're not, then I think you're making what ought to be a purely objective decision in the aftermath of a game where human emotion makes that impossible.

Frankly, I don't think the Giants are very talented. Until JPP returned, their front seven was among the worst in the league. They can't run the ball. Their offensive line has been poor. As a coach, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do when you're starting from a disadvantage on both sides of the line of scrimmage...and yet still, this is a team that could easily be 8-4.

Coughlin is part of the problem, not the problem. But he was part of the problem four years ago and eight years ago, too, and then suddenly he became part of the success. I understand wanting to go with a younger guy if the future is going to demand a painful rebuilding process, but if you're rational for cutting ties is that he went for it up ten today (a decision I agree with, by the way) then I think you're looking at this wrong.
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Because there's nothing suspicious about an Eagles fan imploring the Giants to hold onto Coughlin.
 
Coughlin's post game interview he says "I still think it was the right decision to go for the 4th and 2." If the Giants took the field goal the Jets still need 2 touchdowns to win 24-23. A touchdown and a field goal are not that hard to get in 8 minutes, 2 touchdowns, another story. The fact that he can't say he screwed up finishes it for me. Sure the Giants defense sucks no doubt but we need new blood at the top.
 
Rico444 said:
Mau, you're way off here. Romo had a great line ONE season (last year), and he put up MVP numbers. The year before that the line was average to above-average, every other season it's been bad. He's still put up great numbers. Eli is more clutch, and plays better in the playoffs, but during the regular season there's no question who's the better QB.
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That's hilarious. But hey Rico I respect you too. Give Eli Tony's line and this one isn't close, he never gets touched .
 
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mauconnfan said:
That's hilarious. But hey Rico I respect you too. Give Eli Tony's line and this one isn't close, he never gets touched .
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What's your point? Romo is probably the MVP last year if not for Rodgers, and that's the one year he had a great line. But he had plenty of years with a crappy line, and he never came close to the 25 INTs that Eli has thrown twice.

I'm not saying Eli is bad, he's a good QB and he always raises his game in the playoffs, but he's been closer to mediocre in the regular season than elite.
 
jibsey said:
Coughlin's post game interview he says "I still think it was the right decision to go for the 4th and 2." If the Giants took the field goal the Jets still need 2 touchdowns to win 24-23. A touchdown and a field goal are not that hard to get in 8 minutes, 2 touchdowns, another story. The fact that he can't say he screwed up finishes it for me. Sure the Giants defense sucks no doubt but we need new blood at the top.
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I actually do think Coughlin made the right choice there pick up the 1st down and wrap it up, maybe he doesn't trust the defense to get a stop.
 
champs99and04 said:
The fact that it seems to be a near consensus among Giant fans to fire Coughlin is baffling to me. I understand that this would signal the fourth year in a row without a postseason appearance, but HE'S WON TWO SUPER BOWLS IN THE LAST EIGHT YEARS. As an Eagles fan, I'd give just about anything for them to win one of those things. I don't want to say some of you are spoiled but some of you are spoiled. I realize it's senseless to pay now for past victories, but at what point do those past victories - victories of which, by the way, followed almost identical dialogue that is ongoing now - represent a pattern of success that is, if not perfectly predictable, at least plausible?

Look, Andy Reid coached my team for over a decade. And as much as I love the guy, there cannot possibly ever be a coach in the history of sports that consistently provoked more unbridled confusion and frustration from his fan base. So I get it - it's one thing to watch your team lose, it's another to watch them lose in a fashion that causes you to question whether sports is just another word for self-harm.

But s***, if the results of four and eight years ago are going to be so thoughtlessly described as events that have no baring on the future, then maybe we should at least consider the fact that there have been a hell of a lot of plays this season that, completely independent of coaching, also have no baring on the future.

I'll ask: if Eli Manning doesn't throw the ball away against Dallas, if Landon Collins doesn't drop an interception that amounted to a fair catch, if Stephen Gostowski doesn't nail a 55 yard field goal (I can go on)...are you saying the same thing right now? Because if you're not, then I think you're making what ought to be a purely objective decision in the aftermath of a game where human emotion makes that impossible.

Frankly, I don't think the Giants are very talented. Until JPP returned, their front seven was among the worst in the league. They can't run the ball. Their offensive line has been poor. As a coach, there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do when you're starting from a disadvantage on both sides of the line of scrimmage...and yet still, this is a team that could easily be 8-4.



Coughlin is part of the problem, not the problem. But he was part of the problem four years ago and eight years ago, too, and then suddenly he became part of the success. I understand wanting to go with a younger guy if the future is going to demand a painful rebuilding process, but if you're rational for cutting ties is that he went for it up ten today (a decision I agree with, by the way) then I think you're looking at this wrong.
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I pretty much agree with everything you said, I'm certainly grateful for the 2 Super Bowl runs. Banking off the past is perhaps why they are in the situation their in now. I do think Jerry Reese is getting a pass, the Giants bread and butter has always been power football and a pass rush and they have failed to address those areas while their division opponents have addressed it every year including your Eagles. Reese has lived off of the 2007 draft class, and Ernie Accorsi's players. Reese has hit on their 1st round picks for the most part its past the 1st round where Reese has failed. I definitely hate to see Coughlin go, and I don't expect the Giants to be magically better if they get a new coach. Perhaps it is time to rebuild in the NFL you can do that fast. Since 2012 the Giants have had 4 losing season in a row and are clearly getting worse its just time for a change.
 
Rico444 said:
What's your point? Romo is probably the MVP last year if not for Rodgers, and that's the one year he had a great line. But he had plenty of years with a crappy line, and he never came close to the 25 INTs that Eli has thrown twice.

I'm not saying Eli is bad, he's a good QB and he always raises his game in the playoffs, but he's been closer to mediocre in the regular season than elite.
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Last year Romo 3705 yds, 34 TD's , INT's - Eli 4410 yds 30TDs and 14 INT's (didn't have Beckham this first 4 games.) Now Eli played one more game than Tony I admit. But Tony had a great ground game to support him with Murray which also took away from his yards as they did run more, but it also helps your completion % to have a run game. These guys are similar and it can be argued except one gets it down when given the opportunity to shine the other not so much.
 
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Romo is a terrible QB.

The only reason he considered to be good is fantasy football. He produces fantasy points.

If you judge him by his results on the real field of play, he's below mediocre. In any other era except the fantasy football era, he would be scorned as one of the biggest chokers in history.
 
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