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Giants hire Joe Judge (Patriots ST/WR Coach)

Husky25 said:
By default and by virtue of having the least incompetent front office administration.

Get into the tournament any which way you can, right? Anything can happen on any given Sunday.
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The Rivera hire concerned me, and then I remembered Dan Snyder owns the Redskins.
 
District-Husky said:
The Rivera hire concerned me, and then I remembered Dan Snyder owns the Redskins.
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As a 37 year (rough estimate) follower of the franchise, I understand your sentiments fully, and can't say I disagree.

Rumor has it that Rivera has been given Belichick-like control over player personnel and on-field operations and Snyder is content to overlook from the owners box, Kraft-style. I'll believe it when I see it for longer than 10 weeks.

Both Schottenheimer and Shannahan were supposedly given the same leeway, and Little Danny couldn't help but hang them both with the very same rope he ostensibly afforded them.
 
Stephen A. Smith: Giants made a mockery of the Rooney Rule

As much as I am not a fan of SAS, I can't say he's completely off base. I do, however, disagree with is attributing a racial component to the Giants for not hiring Kris Richard or Eric Bieniemy.

The Cowboys evidently interviewed Marvin Lewis for the sole purpose of fulfilling the Rooney Rule. The 'Skins are off the hook, because they hired a minority (Ron Rivera not only has the pedigree, but also Puerto Rican and Mexican heritage).
 
Husky25 said:
Stephen A. Smith: Giants made a mockery of the Rooney Rule

As much as I am not a fan of SAS, I can't say he's completely off base. I do, however, disagree with is attributing a racial component to the Giants for not hiring Kris Richard or Eric Bieniemy.

The Cowboys evidently interviewed Marvin Lewis for the sole purpose of fulfilling the Rooney Rule. The 'Skins are off the hook, because they hired a minority (Ron Rivera not only has the pedigree, but also Puerto Rican and Mexican heritage).
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We've come a ways but there is still so much old racist thinking. 2 black coaches coaching a league that's 70% black, we had idiots in the game telling Lamar Jackson QB isn't his position.
 
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I think the media should run with the “Giants hire Aaron Hernandez’s old neighbor” headlines. It would make the Giants sound like they’re going to have an edge, at least until they step on a field.
 
superjohn said:
We've come a ways but there is still so much old racist thinking. 2 black coaches coaching a league that's 70% black, we had idiots in the game telling Lamar Jackson QB isn't his position.
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As mentioned, Ron Rivera did not check "White-Caucasian" on his Washington application.

Lamar Jackson has obscene skills. There are any number of reasons why he would excel at positions other than quarterback.
 
superjohn said:
Holy cow, you don't get it.
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How so? It's not as if three minority head coaches is all of a sudden representative. I am merely not focusing on "black?" Does the Rooney Rule (Genuinely unsure)?

If you are referring to the morons (1. An LA Charger scout, evidently and 2. Bill Polian) who suggest Jackson play wide-out. I referred to Jackson's football skills and his ability. Anything else is inferred. Presumably incorrectly.
 
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Husky25 said:
How so? It's not as if three minority head coaches is all of a sudden representative. I am merely not focusing on "black?" Does the Rooney Rule (Genuinely unsure)?

If you are referring to the morons (1. An LA Charger scout, evidently and 2. Bill Polian) who suggest Jackson play wide-out. I referred to Jackson's football skills and his ability. Anything else is inferred. Presumably incorrectly.
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Ron Rivera isn't white or black, it would be pretty damn strange for him to check either of those boxes and he certainly doesn't have anything to do with there being 2 black coaches in a league of 70% black players.

Lamar Jackson is a quarterback and has always been a quarterback. He was tne best quarterback in college and is the best quarterback in the NFL right now. You not realizing that people in the league telling him he's a wide receiver is wrong is just sad. Can't imagine how many good black QB's we missed on because of this screwed up thinking.
 
FatHank said:
Big Blue is doomed. Bring Phil Simms back please.
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There is some irony in your statement. Giant fans booed when Simms was drafted. Just because you don't know who he is, doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick.
 
Matt Ruhle sends out a mass text to his Baylor players that he's gone, they can come see him if they want to. Seems like so many of these football coaches preach all sorts of stuff they don't abide by.
 
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superjohn said:
Matt Ruhle sends out a mass text to his Baylor players that he's gone, they can come see him if they want to. Seems like so many of these football coaches preach all sorts of stuff they don't abide by.
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When $70m is thrown at you things change
 
superjohn said:
Ron Rivera isn't white or black, it would be pretty damn strange for him to check either of those boxes and he certainly doesn't have anything to do with there being 2 black coaches in a league of 70% black players.

Lamar Jackson is a quarterback and has always been a quarterback. He was tne best quarterback in college and is the best quarterback in the NFL right now. You not realizing that people in the league telling him he's a wide receiver is wrong is just sad. Can't imagine how many good black QB's we missed on because of this screwed up thinking.
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According to Jackson himself, it's person. Singular. A scout from the LA Chargers. Bill Polian is an outside television analyst and not, "in the league," in that regard.

It seems ludicrous with the benefit of hindsight regarding Jackson, but it's not as if other (theoretically) lifelong QBs did not or were not asked to change positions at a higher level than where they played QB. Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow to name a few. I read in SI (IIRC) years ago that Joe Pa wanted to make Jim Kelly a linebacker. He went to Miami instead.

I have no clue whether Polian's stated reason (throwing accuacy) had merit at the time. I'm not his biggest fan and don't follow him very closely. Whether it did or didn't, luckily the Ravens didn't put too much stock in it and traded up to get Jackson in the 1st round.

Everything else (i.e. my realizations) is an incorrect inference. I gave no opinion in that regard.
 
Who is more important - a head coach or the general manager who brings in the players? You could have Vince Lombardi on the sidelines with Buddy Ryan as his defensive coach but with Gettelman bringing in the players you would still be behind the Cowboys and Eagles. I think the Washington team have a clone of Gettleman as their GM.
 
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methodology said:
When $70m is thrown at you things change
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Of course you take the job, it's not about taking the job it's about having respect for people especially the young men who commit to you and who you preach to about what it means to be a man on a daily basis. You don't break up with people via text. What Edsall did is a million times worse but it seems so many of these coaches who act like military generals have no problem packing up and leaving without calling a meeting to address all their players.
 
I'm fairly certain the Baylor football players aren't hanging out in Waco TX on Jan 7th waiting for a team meeting to be called.
 
Devland said:
There is some irony in your statement. Giant fans booed when Simms was drafted. Just because you don't know who he is, doesn't mean he wasn't a good pick.
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Agree.
 
Husky25 said:
According to Jackson himself, it's person. Singular. A scout from the LA Chargers. Bill Polian is an outside television analyst and not, "in the league," in that regard.

It seems ludicrous with the benefit of hindsight regarding Jackson, but it's not as if other (theoretically) lifelong QBs did not or were not asked to change positions at a higher level than where they played QB. Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Tim Tebow to name a few. I read in SI (IIRC) years ago that Joe Pa wanted to make Jim Kelly a linebacker. He went to Miami instead.

I have no clue whether Polian's stated reason (throwing accuacy) had merit at the time. I'm not his biggest fan and don't follow him very closely. Whether it did or didn't, luckily the Ravens didn't put too much stock in it and traded up to get Jackson in the 1st round.

Everything else (i.e. my realizations) is an incorrect inference. I gave no opinion in that regard.
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All rationalizations notwithstanding, there’s always been a history of racist perceptions in the nfl.
Middle LB used to be a whites-only position by default. Was that simply because blacks were better suited to and being steered to play other positions, or was it something else?
Qb was considered a whites-only position, and for years, we had good black qbs immediately relegated to other positions because they were seen as better “athletes”, and not qbs. Implication being, they couldn’t, ahem “handle” the intellect behind the positions, where the player is required to coordinate the offense or defense.
HC’s and Front office positions, again, far and few between. Why? And what’s the excuse for that?
Racist beliefs have longevity and history and don’t always have to be directly stated or expressed. The good old boy network is alive & well, this latest HC coaching search being a prime example.
 
Steelerone said:
Who is more important - a head coach or the general manager who brings in the players? You could have Vince Lombardi on the sidelines with Buddy Ryan as his defensive coach but with Gettelman bringing in the players you would still be behind the Cowboys and Eagles. I think the Washington team have a clone of Gettleman as their GM.
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They did, but Snyder just fired the GM Allen. They haven’t repacked him yet.
 
RJScootin said:
Not saying Judge won’t be great who knows and I hope he’s the guy. Agreed a lot depends on coordinators. Just comical how this all went down with Giants taking the next Miss St coach. Heard nick Saban was relieved
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Arizona took usc’s offensive coordinator and made him head coach.
 
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future head line...”Judge fired after going a combined 9-23 in two seasons.” Sound familiar?
 
I think the worry the Giants had RE: Bienemy is that they had just gone with two offensive "guru's" who didn't end well. They didn't want to take the chance that third time was the charm.
They wanted a guy who could lead the room (Rhule was supposed to good at this).....and when the Rhule thing went like it did where you would have to pony up 80 million in cash to get him on board between base, incentives and Baylor buyout...well they went the second "leader of a room".

Plus when the Giants reached out to BB, he praised him big time. And he's got history with Saban.

Soooooo...I'm going to think positively. Now he's just got to get a competent staff, that's all.

One thing that worried me about Rhule is the fact that he's my age and in worse shape than I am. I can't have that for my football coach if they're gonna hire someone my age.
 
B1GEast said:
OMG. This is crazy. I would have gone with Bienemy from the Chiefs. Insane, but these are the Giants we're talking about
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He didn't call plays, that was Reid
 
Saban and Belichick both really liked him. I know Belichick stated he is very intelligent and could run any part of a team in knowing the offense, and defense

The Giant's had two so-called offensive minds before and both bombed big time. With the lousy GM "not a Gettleman fan" I will take a wait and see approach as all Giant fans should.

No way in heck should they have matched what Carolina ponied up for Rhule. $9 million a year plus all the calls on the 53 man on the roster
 
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Another thought, the Giants' braintrust just might feel lightning can strike twice and this coach will burst on the scene like Aaron Judge!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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How can you use braintrust and Giants together ? That ship sailed with Acorssi
 
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