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No one is saying the giants are good. They sucked so they got high draft picks. But when they had chase young if they lost to Washington last year....they played to win and they did..and lost out on young. no One around the NFL is supporting what the iggles did
Giants fans should hold no grudge vs Washington over this. That game went to overtime, both teams wanted to win.

Despite the two loses to the Giants, Washington scraped together seven wins this year, and probably could have had more if Alex Smith (5-1) played all year. Even Bruce Arians recognizes that they aren't playing the Haskins led WFT (2-8). Other than the two wins over Washington, The Giants could only muster four others. Be upset at Pederson's antics to your heart's content, but Washington owes the Giants nothing.
 

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Wha?
The game for the right to pick Chase Young.

 

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The game for the right to pick Chase Young.

Oh. I thought you meant the Washington-Beagles game last weekend.
 

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I could care less. I don’t even hate Eli or the Giants, or the Cowboys, WFT. I’m just pointing out that if the media and Giants fans, etc. are going on a week long witch hunt about what the Eagles did (once), let’s talk about what other teams do regularly. The drafting of Eli was manipulated. The Giants benefited. The end
 

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The Giant's didn't do anything wrong, but Eli did, IMO. The Mannings knew the rules of the draft game and thought they were above them. If they weren't so public, it wouldn't have mattered as much.

My thought is unless a franchise did something like what Tampa did to Bo Jackson (lied about impermissible benefits, affecting eligibility), they should let the situation play out.

Elway did something similar to the Colts, but both Elway and Jackson had leverage, in that they were high MLB draft picks. Manning only his name.
 
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Giants fans should hold no grudge vs Washington over this. That game went to overtime, both teams wanted to win.

Despite the two loses to the Giants, Washington scraped together seven wins this year, and probably could have had more if Alex Smith (5-1) played all year. Even Bruce Arians recognizes that they aren't playing the Haskins led WFT (2-8). Other than the two wins over Washington, The Giants could only muster four others. Be upset at Pederson's antics to your heart's content, but Washington owes the Giants nothing.
How did you get me having an issue with WFT? My comment was to the Iggles fan showing that last year the Giants played the Skins to win, when it was in their best interest to loose. Had they lost Young would be a Giant.
 

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How did you get me having an issue with WFT? My comment was to the Iggles fan showing that last year the Giants played the Skins to win, when it was in their best interest to loose. Had they lost Young would be a Giant.
Not you per se, but Giants fans in general. Those who think WFT is less deserving than the Giants because they beat WFT twice, but still came out behind a 7-9 team.
 
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Not you per se, but Giants fans in general. Those who think WFT is less deserving than the Giants because they beat WFT twice, but still came out behind a 7-9 team.
WFT deserves it because they won the game they had to....and those are the rules...Giants choked it away when Engram dropped that pass against Philly. My issue is with Philly throwing in the towel in Q4, not with WFT winning or playoffs. If it was for Trevor Lawrence I would understand, but to move from #9 to #6???
 

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WFT deserves it because they won the game they had to....and those are the rules...Giants choked it away when Engram dropped that pass against Philly. My issue is with Philly throwing in the towel in Q4, not with WFT winning or playoffs. If it was for Trevor Lawrence I would understand, but to move from #9 to #6???
I'll buy that. Some of your fellow fans feel differently across different social media outlets, vis a vie who deserves the playoff spot.
 
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I'll buy that. Some of your fellow fans feel differently across different social media outlets, vis a vie who deserves the playoff spot.
lot's of sore losers who don't accept the facts of life...living in FL i'll be rooting for Tampa, but I'm happy for A. Smith...he's been through a lot and deserves lots of respect and kudos for his work ethic. Good for him but I can't root for WFT or Snyder...he's a train wreck.
 

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lot's of sore losers who don't accept the facts of life...living in FL i'll be rooting for Tampa, but I'm happy for A. Smith...he's been through a lot and deserves lots of respect and kudos for his work ethic. Good for him but I can't root for WFT or Snyder...he's a train wreck.
Smith almost lost his life. That's not just Comeback Player of the Year, It's Comeback Human.

I'd feel the same if I weren't a 37+ year WFT fan (Still love the color scheme, which is what drew me to them at 6 years old over the Dolphins in the first place.). Especially since Brady is on Tampa. I don't think little Danny has many fans outside his blood relatives, and even then...
 

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Oh to live and work in Weather-perfect San Diego. THE HORROR!! As if that situation was worse than his brother's living landlocked and playing half or more of his games indoors on a slab of concrete.

So let me get this straight, Olivia (I jest, but why does it seem like you are taking this so personally?)

If his little coup to get out from under the Chargers didn't work out, your son was prepared to give up $$Millions from the NFL to work in some marketing department for $40k and 10 days vacation in 2004?

That is what I mean by leverage. Elway and Jackson, as a 2nd and 4th (1st round talent according to the 30 for 30) rounder, respectively could have conceivably make the same in baseball as they did in the NFL.
 

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The Colts are only relevant to this discussion because Peyton was a much better and more accomplished individual player than Eli. However, he did not have Eli's leverage, as his did not have a millionaire All-Pro brother already in the League. Peyton provided that much cache to the name. Plus I didn't argue Eli had no leverage. I said Elway and Bo had different leverage (better, IMO), as they could garner comparable compensation for their athletic abilities from a different professional sport. By comparison, Manning had his last name.

I only mentioned weather once and it was really intended to be a loose reference to Jerry McGuire ("I'll either surf or ski."). Did you really have to disagree with it four times? Anyway, the Chargers were not exactly inept for decades. Free agency and Bobby Ross made them respectable in the early 90s, culminating in a Super Bowl appearance by the middle of the decade, and by the time Manning was drafted, Shottenheimer was bringing them back again. Ebbs and flows are wont to happen with most teams in the Free Agency Era.

Being the #1 pick is irrelevant. Elway and Jackson were #1 overall picks as well. The rest is addressed above...


That's a weird pivot. I'm not sure where any owners' boots were licked, unless you are referring to the draft, a method used by nearly, if not, all major sports leagues. It is how the system has worked for nearly 85 years and agreed to by the union. I actually agree with the second part of this, to a point, but that is where free agency come in.

Finally, I thought it'd be clear that, "the rules of the draft game," would be understood as a figure of speech, i.e. the unwritten rule playing for the team that drafts you, at least initially. Evidently not. C'est la vie, because I didn't say Eli broke a rule per se. I said I thought it was wrong for him to weasel out of San Diego. Again, just my opinion.
 
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So why have a draft then? Shouldn’t every player have control of their life and where they play? Each player should act like Eli and just say they refuse to sign with whoever drafts them and go play in the place of their choice. I’m sure the top 5 to 15 picks each year would have leverage too
 

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I don't see why you need a draft when you have a salary cap preventing the big teams from buying all the top young talent.
 
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What do Eagles fans say now, gonna change your tune on Pederson.
 

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I don't see why you need a draft when you have a salary cap preventing the big teams from buying all the top young talent.

Yup. Same for the NBA
 

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