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Geno - There is no concept of how basketball is played

NCAA in a nutshell. From this to allowing players roughly 27 years to complete their eligibility from the time they enter a college, to unlimited transfers, it's really becoming sad. Fortunately most of the garbage is over at the men's side, but when you have so many hall of fame coaches calling out the NCAA over, well, everything, it matters.
 
I think you need coaches in these few national media moments to hit the NCAA over the head with this sort of thing - and it has to happen with winning coaches and/or before the games, so 'sour grapes' isn't used to ignore the statements.

Love for Dawn, Vic, Kara, and Walz to get asked to comment on this as well as they are the coaches with the highest profiles left standing at this moment.

NB - wasn't it at this stage that the whole weight room s___storm hit during the covid bubble?
 
ucmiami2 said:
I think you need coaches in these few national media moments to hit the NCAA over the head with this sort of thing - and it has to happen with winning coaches and/or before the games, so 'sour grapes' isn't used to ignore the statements.

Love for Dawn, Vic, Kara, and Walz to get asked to comment on this as well as they are the coaches with the highest profiles left standing at this moment.

NB - wasn't it at this stage that the whole weight room s___storm hit during the covid bubble?
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Dawn, unfortunately, gave her backing to the absurd format which the NCAA president is using to defend a manifestly bad idea.

Despite complaints from iconic coaches, don’t expect NCAA to change double-regional format for women’s tournament | SB Nation (from 2025).

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Dogdude said:
NCAA in a nutshell. From this to allowing players roughly 27 years to complete their eligibility from the time they enter a college, to unlimited transfers, it's really becoming sad. Fortunately most of the garbage is over at the men's side, but when you have so many hall of fame coaches calling out the NCAA over, well, everything, it matters.
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I’m certainly not a big NCAA fan. Having said that, the problems you mentioned – unlimited transfers and way too long to complete eligibility – are problems that were created by judges who have no clue. The NCAA has no control over many of these issues anymore, since lawyers and agents have judge-shopped to find one who wants to get his/her name in the paper.
 
NycUcWbbFan said:
Dawn, unfortunately, gave her backing to the absurd format which the NCAA president is using to defend a manifestly bad idea.

Despite complaints from iconic coaches, don’t expect NCAA to change double-regional format for women’s tournament | SB Nation (from 2025).

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Apples and oranges, this comparison. Geno et al are talking about what it’s like for the players, Dawn is talking about what it’s like for the fans. Whoever wrote the article using Dawn’s quote this way should have noticed the distinction.
 
Bone Dog said:
Apples and oranges, this comparison. Geno et al are talking about what it’s like for the players, Dawn is talking about what it’s like for the fans. Whoever wrote the article using Dawn’s quote this way should have noticed the distinction.
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See Unrivaled example — putting a better product (the players) first to showcase the sport.

Build it (and showcase it properly), and they (the at-large fans) will come.
  • Unrivaled fans flocked to traveling sites.
  • Teams with rabid fan bases will travel.
  • Better basketball makes for more compelling TV.
 
stamfordhusky said:
I’m certainly not a big NCAA fan. Having said that, the problems you mentioned – unlimited transfers and way too long to complete eligibility – are problems that were created by judges who have no clue. The NCAA has no control over many of these issues anymore, since lawyers and agents have judge-shopped to find one who wants to get his/her name in the paper.
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I tend to be a bigger NCAA fan than most, but you're letting them off the hook too easily. Had they not tried for decades to keep some antiquated vision of amateur status alive for so long, in such a manner as some kids didn't even have money to fly home for family funerals, it might have taken longer for legislative interest to form for an NIL "solution."

As to the judge-shopping argument -- the Alston decision that has cemented the money into the bowels of the current system was a 9-0 unanimous decision at SCOTUS.
 
NycUcWbbFan said:
See Unrivaled example — putting a better product (the players) first to showcase the sport.

Build it (and showcase it properly), and they (the at-large fans) will come.
  • Unrivaled fans flocked to traveling sites.
  • Teams with rabid fan bases will travel.
  • Better basketball makes for more compelling TV.
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Kind of funny: if NCAA followed the Unrivaled model there would only be the top 40 branded athletes and they would play the whole tournament at 1 site. 99% of revenue would come from the TV money and schools would no longer have to deal with hassle of ticketing and campus gyms.

I'm being a bit facetious, but whole success of Unrivaled was the understanding that viewers would tune in to see the best star players compete - anywhere. Completely unnecessary were teams representing cities and local stadiums.
 
Purduke said:
I tend to be a bigger NCAA fan than most, but you're letting them off the hook too easily. Had they not tried for decades to keep some antiquated vision of amateur status alive for so long, in such a manner as some kids didn't even have money to fly home for family funerals, it might have taken longer for legislative interest to form for an NIL "solution."

As to the judge-shopping argument -- the Alston decision that has cemented the money into the bowels of the current system was a 9-0 unanimous decision at SCOTUS.
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Thanks for saying this, saves me the reply. Paraphrasing an old expression, "If you hold a handful of sand, the tighter your grip, the more sand escapes." Virtually every student in college outside of those on athletic scholarships have no constraints about having jobs during the school year, over the summer, whenever. In attempt to keep booster money out (futile) the gap was too tight and invited suits.
 
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Purduke said:
I tend to be a bigger NCAA fan than most, but you're letting them off the hook too easily. Had they not tried for decades to keep some antiquated vision of amateur status alive for so long, in such a manner as some kids didn't even have money to fly home for family funerals, it might have taken longer for legislative interest to form for an NIL "solution."

As to the judge-shopping argument -- the Alston decision that has cemented the money into the bowels of the current system was a 9-0 unanimous decision at SCOTUS.
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Dogdude said:
Thanks for saying this, saves me the reply. Paraphrasing an old expression, "If you hold a handful of sand, the tighter your grip, the more sand escapes." Virtually every student in college outside of those on athletic scholarships have no constraints about having jobs during the school year, over the summer, whenever. In attempt to keep booster money out (futile) the gap was too tight and invited suits.
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If only they had taken the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit a bit more seriously. The sheer audacity and arrogance of the NCAA is what did them in.
 
packwrap said:
Kind of funny: if NCAA followed the Unrivaled model there would only be the top 40 branded athletes and they would play the whole tournament at 1 site. 99% of revenue would come from the TV money and schools would no longer have to deal with hassle of ticketing and campus gyms.

I'm being a bit facetious, but whole success of Unrivaled was the understanding that viewers would tune in to see the best star players compete - anywhere. Completely unnecessary were teams representing cities and local stadiums.
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To me, (A) Unrivaled is a training cooperative with an attached league that pays the bills and pays investors primarily by making compelling TV via an entertaining product.
  • (B) Being in one location is a key but ultimately a supporting feature for (A).
  • (C) Being a compelling product allows them to branch out into having select game days at sold-out traveling locations.
My Unrivaled comparison above is for (A). Rabid fans will still come. At-large ones will come (not inconceivable in the current environment), not unlike (C).
  • Under the current system, it’s akin to taking out shooting efficiency in Dean Oliver’s Four Factors (for winning games), i.e. comparable to early WNBA eras which were snoozefests.
  • UConn typically has relatively bad offensive showings during this weekend; coincidence?
 
The fact that Azzi had some recovery device strapped to her during the presser this morning said it all. If players are normally doing rehab the morning afterwards, well, this definitely messed that routing up.
 
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BRS24 said:
If only they had taken the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit a bit more seriously. The sheer audacity and arrogance of the NCAA is what did them in.
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In my opinion, it was actually Emmert that did them in. He needed to be proactive when this stuff was evolving and instead he said he would defer to the states to make their own rules. That essentially made NIL the wild wild West.

I think Mick Cronin recently said that he doesn't think the system is salvageable. The old notion of amateurism is gone. The new model of defective free agency is a nightmare in his opinion. The only thing to do is start fresh. Don't try to bring the old system back. It's gone. Don't try to embrace the new system it's killing the sport. Instead, think about what your goals are and design a new system that effectuates them.
 
Dogdude said:
A couple of things that would help would be to limit the number of transfers and to cap eligibility to 4 years plus one redshirt. Once you leave college for any reason, you're done. No G league and back like in the mens side of things.
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NIL can only be from someone other than a booster of your team
 
The NCAA was always infringing on student-athletes’ property rights. NIL was an obvious solution, though with lots of wrinkles. What it didn’t need was more regulations from the NCAA. When Paige first arrived in Storrs, Geno already addressed all this with considerable prescience. In particular, he pointed to the problem posed by the potential for predatory agents and contracts. He spoke of the need to offer some minimal restrictions on agent access. What he didn’t call for was more NCAA oversight.

The camel’s nose under the tent was always the canard about scholarships, to the effect that student-athletes shouldn’t be allowed to have side income. But no other scholarship recipients have any such restrictions. None were needed in this case either.

As for campus athletic buildings like arenas and stadiums, I can confidently say that no faculty member walks past these without shuddering at the vast distortion of anything like an academic mission they represent. Don’t expect any of us to defend them or to celebrate the diversion of resources they entail.
 
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veivoli said:
I wondered what an Australian Rugby League legend had to do with this! Then I checked... 🙃 🌏🏀
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He's a versatile little leprechaun.
 
As a codicil to this discussion, at least in Phoenix, there will only be four teams vying for practice and shoot around time, and the required pressers will be more spaced out. Hopefully
 
BRS24 said:
As a codicil to this discussion, at least in Phoenix, there will only be four teams vying for practice and shoot around time, and the required pressers will be more spaced out. Hopefully
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And they have access earlier in the week in Phoenix.

On attendance - Sat in Ft Worth his 11,197 for the State University, and Sun topped it with 11,335. Wonder how TX draws on a weeknight tomorrow.
 
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