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Icebear said:
You are talking about an athlete with world class hops who as a underclassman in high school finished 5th in the Olympic tryouts. I don't think being 5'9" which Geno says is wrong is a great limiting factor on her. Geno says she IS 5'11". I'll take his word.
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This is Gabby driving to the hoop.....the Reno player in the picture is 6 ft tall....World Class Hops...!!!! Any questions..??
 
The BY's fixation on player height never ceases to amaze.....
 
ed4ourgirls said:
I don't know if you want to call Kalana Greene a guard (she's only 5'10"), but even after she tore up
her knee she had decent hops. Before the knee injury it was like she was on a pogo stick.
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KG was a sf. She had that super game vs UNC before tearing up her kneee. After that she came back when Maya was super, Renee was super and Tina was emerging as super. She wasn't ever though an a/a. She was "limited." For us to be successful there had to be a super player or two. And we had balance during her last two years.
 
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Scotter said:
This thread is about a high school player. Price now holds securely one of only 60 starting positions in the WNBA and has played a critical role on winning teams and will in all likelihood go on to a 10+ year professional career. For even highly ranked high school players Price's career is a success story. She was an All-American in college that sustained a professional career, which plenty of college All-Americans fail to do. I suggest you step back and check out the forest.
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But you replied to me --not to this thread. My 1st post on this thread asked if she was 5'9 or 5'11. I said if she was 5'9 she'd be "limited" unless our offense becomes hyperfastbreak. It has nothing to do with making the WNBA and then you referring her of being "transcedent". Transcendent we have comepltely different definitions of the word. A 6.6 ppg scorer in WNBA is not transcendent to me.. The fact is, Price;'s game is limited. How can you say it isn't? A 2,000 ppg scorer is now averaging 6.6 ppg. It's because of her size - ie lack of it - she cant't score more. IMO for Gabby to be like Price in college we need to be hyperfstabreak and 3 happy. It could happen. But an efficient liek we've been for years as part of halfcourt offense without some real good bigs once Stewie and Tuck are gone? Nope - not imo. Not unless we get some real, real good big players coming in.
 
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pap49cba said:
The BY's fixation on player height never ceases to amaze.....
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I agree in a manner of speaking. We can live without it and still win a title. But luck will probably be needed to some degree. It all depends how elite we can be however. Our 1st title we were awesome with height. We didn't win again until we had a big 5-some of Cash, Tamika, Jones, Paige, Schumacher and Jones, and Sveta as sf had size. Schumaker had 10 blocks in Finals (maybe 9)? And what happened the next year? Ruth Reilly crushed us (though we were devastated by injuries) with her size. Then we won again - in the finals in which we annihilated Oklahoma (not the point differential in the game) on the glass -- with our size.

true we won the next two years with no size but lead by the greatness of DT. Weren't these two titles teams the weakest of our title teams? And a few of the games were thrillers? Then when did we win again? As Tina Charles matured. After that - though its arguable- but imo we lost to ND in part in Maya's sr year because Dolson got into foul trouble and we had no combination significant of talent/size to replace her.

And when did we win again? When a 6'4 kid became an unstoppable cover by burying perimeter shots and blocking shots from everywhere. And what is one big trademark of this current team? Size. It's not essential - size. But it has helped a lot. When Dt and SUe Bird miss all their 3' in the finals we had "size" to offset. And Dt's big bucket in that game, she used her size to back down the defender and wound up fouling out Oklahoma's A/A Stacey (I forgot her last name).
 
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"Great! Can't wait! So what elite player and team did she score that basket over? Or was it an AAU pickup game?"

The boneyard gave a dog a bone.
 
msf22b said:
There's a new brand of atleticism out there with players under 6 foot able to dunk.
Gabby certainly can and I bet Moriah gets close (no matter what her size).
Monster advantage both on offense and D
Consider the Baylor game: Moriah's flying block on Sims and the bunch of boards late.
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Gabby can dunk? I doubt it. Jefferson can come close? No way.

And so how many rebounds did Jefferson get because of her hops that she couldn't have gotten due to her quickness? And her 1 block that game meant a lot? Stokes had 4. IMO that means a lot. Along with intimidation. Maybe you can say on the defense end because she has hops it intimidates other guards. But she is a pg - she guards pg's her size. I was bringing up whether a 5'9 player can be a part of a successful/elite team. IMO we need to be a fastbreak team or have some real, real good posts (I consider a pf a post thus Maya is. I realize she shot a ton of 3's and wasn't a post player but when I refer to post it's due to position in name only- and a pf in name only is referred to as a post.) to offset the small size at the pf and c positions. Once Stewie and Tuck go- I think we need real good 4's and 5's (or at least 1 of the 2) in order to be an efficient halfcourt team. Otherwise a 5'9 player at sf without real real good posts, you have to play hyperfast three ball.

It's a "limitation" vs what we are accustomed to. We'd have to play hyper fast being small at the sf along with not being real, real good in the post.

As for Jefferson, I'll take as a preference her ball-handling, court decsion making/awareness, shooting and quickness over her "hops" ability.
 
hoophuskee said:
Gabby can dunk? I doubt it. Jefferson can come close? No way.

And so how many rebounds did Jefferson get because of her hops that she couldn't have gotten due to her quickness? And her 1 block that game meant a lot? Stokes had 4. IMO that means a lot. Along with intimidation. Maybe you can say on the defense end because she has hops it intimidates other guards. But she is a pg - she guards pg's her size. I was bringing up whether a 5'9 player can be a part of a successful/elite team. IMO we need to be a fastbreak team or have some real, real good posts (I consider a pf a post thus Maya is. I realize she shot a ton of 3's and wasn't a post player but when I refer to post it's due to position in name only- and a pf in name only is referred to as a post.) to offset the small size at the pf and c positions. Once Stewie and Tuck go- I think we need real good 4's and 5's (or at least 1 of the 2) in order to be an efficient halfcourt team. Otherwise a 5'9 player at sf without real real good posts, you have to play hyperfast three ball.

It's a "limitation" vs what we are accustomed to. We'd have to play hyper fast being small at the sf along with not being real, real good in the post.

As for Jefferson, I'll take as a preference her ball-handling, court decsion making/awareness, shooting and quickness over her "hops" ability.
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Sorry, don't agree with parts of your post at all.
Who said anything about intimidation?

Jefferson intimidates guards because they think (correctly) that she is going to pick their pocket.
But Mo's leaping ability has put her to good stead; blocking shots (unexpectedly) and rebounding.
The stats are there.

And didn't Gabby say that she couldn't wait to get back and dunk in her first game?
Don't know if she actually did.
But it didn't sound like an idle boast.
 
Sorry, don't agree with parts of your post at all.


Then we can agree to disagree my friend. And I mean that with no sarcasm or mean spirit. Hope you take it the same way. I have no animosity for our disagreement. Just looking forward to the next game.



Who said anything about intimidation?

I did. I mentioned intimidation could be a factor. If you intimidate it was a plus. So I was giving a slight bone though not significant to Jefferson.


Jefferson intimidates guards because they think (correctly) that she is going to pick their pocket.
But Mo's leaping ability has put her to good stead; blocking shots (unexpectedly) and rebounding.

Yes. But her picking their pocket has nothing to do with her hops. As far as “good stead” – that’s nice but her pickpockets, ballhandling, court awareness/decision-making, overall quickness, and shooting imo are much more important than her blocked shots.

The stats are there.

But what stats? And which are the preferred? Above I mention the preferred stats from a pg imo that I prefer. Unless we have a point forward etc. But as far as rebounding, how many does she get from her hops that she couldn’t have gotten with little hops and but just with her quickness, position and awareness? IMO her hops when it comes to rebounding as a pg is miniscule. Position, awareness and quickness much more important than hops from a pg imo.



And didn't Gabby say that she couldn't wait to get back and dunk in her first game?

We heard how Maya can dunk, and Tina can dunk but they never did dunk. In practice they did – which I believe. But I think it’s not in the flow of a real scrimmage.


Don't know if she actually did.
But it didn't sound like an idle boast.

I don’t believe she can. From what I read from a few posters on here, they’ve seen a few of her games. They said she hasn’t played vs top competition, so I can’t believe she hasn’t had a few breakaways. So I’d expect she would have dunked if she could.
 
hoophuskee said:
Great! Can't wait! So what elite player and team did she score that basket over? Or was it an AAU pickup game?
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Enough skills and seen by enough people that she has been ranked #2 in her class and that the UCONN staff wanted her. In place of that you build nothing but suppositions and and endless house of cards of inaccurate statements.
 
Icebear said:
If you see her current pics I think it is clear she has gained some physical maturity with muscle bulk.
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I assume that HGN was being sarcastic.
 
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Icebear said:
Enough skills and seen by enough people that she has been ranked #2 in her class and that the UCONN staff wanted her. In place of that you build nothing but suppositions and and endless house of cards of inaccurate statements.
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This isn't true at all. I'm suprised I got you this upset. I'm really shocked. You are extremely level-headed all the time. But you have totally misrepresented my posts. Whatdoes her ranking have to do with anything I have said??????? I said "if she were 5'9" I can't see her as a sf unless we have very good pf's and centers, or we play run-and-gun hyper 3 fast break hoop. Her 1sttwo years we'll still ahve Stewie and Tuck (and 1 year with Stokes).

I'm sorry I got many of you upset (I must have if I got icebear upset). It's not my intent. I'll back off. I'll just make a few final comments. I think those of you that believe "hops" is important for a 5'9 player that is a guard are wrong. Many other characterstics are much more imoprtant for a guard imo. For years we have scoffed at players that supposedly can dunk on other teams, and for years we haven't had the greatest leapers at certain postiions, and now all of a sudden both are important criteria? And nowhere did I say Gabby isn't going to be terrfic. I just think if she were 5'9 she has less chance to be successful as a sf without specifc type of help or a change in style.
 
hoophuskee said:
This isn't true at all. I'm suprised I got you this upset. I'm really shocked. You are extremely level-headed all the time. But you have totally misrepresented my posts. Whatdoes her ranking have to do with anything I have said??????? I said "if she were 5'9" I can't see her as a sf unless we have very good pf's and centers, or we play run-and-gun hyper 3 fast break hoop. Her 1sttwo years we'll still ahve Stewie and Tuck (and 1 year with Stokes).

I'm sorry I got many of you upset (I must have if I got icebear upset). It's not my intent. I'll back off. I'll just make a few final comments. I think those of you that believe "hops" is important for a 5'9 player that is a guard are wrong. Many other characterstics are much more imoprtant for a guard imo. For years we have scoffed at players that supposedly can dunk on other teams, and for years we haven't had the greatest leapers at certain postiions, and now all of a sudden both are important criteria? And nowhere did I say Gabby isn't going to be terrfic. I just think if she were 5'9 she has less chance to be successful as a sf without specifc type of help or a change in style.
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Well I trust this pic more than your posts...sorry, just my take

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rvwsleep said:
I was fortunate enough to see DT (the original skywalker) play at MSG against the Knicks. I didn't think that how he flew on an uncontested dunk was humanly possible.
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NC State had the audacity to try lob passes against UCLA and Bill Walton. And they completed them at the top of the backboard. Amazing.
 
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