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Kait14 said:
There's no such thing as innocent until proven guilty in public opinion anymore. Look at Duke, those guys were hung before they were even given a trial. Kobe Bryant as well. In the public's eye, an accusation means you're guilty.
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Were they hanged or hung? That topic sounds familiar.
 
ucdt3 said:
What I don't understand is why then would she have been part of the security detail at the 2010 Worlds in the Czech Republic (according to John Altavilla tweets) if he truly was using his power as a means to retaliate for her rejection?? So instead he uses it for the 2012 Olympics, something doesn't fit right for me. I will wait until (as close as possible to) the truth emerges before condemning either side.
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So, in the minds of BYers, which is the bigger question here? Is there more concern over claim about the incident or the claim of Geno using his influence to get her removed.
 
easttexastrash said:
So, in the minds of BYers, which is the bigger question here? Is there more concern over claim about the incident or the claim of Geno using his influence to get her removed.
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Both are bad, but the incident itself as alleged is what concerns me. Getting someone fired or reassigned for inappropriate reasons will get you nominated vice-president. No big deal. Being the most visible man in women's sports taking a physically entitled position towards women? That's seriously bad mojo.

Women's sports needs good coaches, including good male coaches. I can't imagine the kind of discussions this could spark. Right now, I'm just going to let this unfold as it may and come to my own conclusions once it has.
 
ASweet3781 said:
Interesting that in the NY Times article 2 players on the team met with this woman the next day after the alleged incident took place and ratted out their coach for saying something deragatory about her? Are those players still on the team I wonder? That's gotta make for awkwardness going forward. Anyone want to bet the 2 players are not from UConn? This is a situation where Geno being Geno can backfire. Other players are not used to him and his style of humor.
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Actually, in the complaint there is no mention of "2 players" saying anything. There is a completely different situation described in the complaint.. If the plaintiff has provided 2 different versions of what happened, it does not help their case.
 
boontonbomber said:
if Tolbert confirms that Hardwick said something to him in 2009, then Geno could have a problem.
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Meh, Tolbert might have a problem. Geno, less so.
 
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speedoo said:
Actually, in the complaint there is no mention of "2 players" saying anything. There is a completely different situation described in the complaint.. If the plaintiff has provided 2 different versions of what happened, it does not help their case.
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The two major questions that will need to be answered are the following.
1. Did Hardwick report the incident in 2009?
2. Is there any evidence that Geno contacted anyone to have Hardwick removed from security detail?
 
CL82 said:
Meh, Tolbert might have a problem. Geno, less so.
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If there are multiple people who corroborate that she reported this in 2009, Tolbert being one of them, then both have a problem.
 
speedoo said:
Actually, in the complaint there is no mention of "2 players" saying anything. There is a completely different situation described in the complaint.. If the plaintiff has provided 2 different versions of what happened, it does not help their case.
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The "2 players" were mentioned by the complainant in her interview with the NY Times. As I recall, there's no mention of the 2 players in the complaint; she simply alleges as fact what she claimed (in the Times interview) the 2 players told her about Geno's comments.

BTW, there were 4 UConn players on that trip (Swin, Renee, Sue and Tina). The other USA players were McCoughtry, Dupree, Wiggins, Harding, Fowles, Christon and Langhorne.
 
UConnCat said:
The "2 players" were mentioned by the complainant in her interview with the NY Times. As I recall, there's no mention of the 2 players in the complaint; she simply alleges as fact what she claimed (in the Times interview) the 2 players told her about Geno's comments.

BTW, there were 4 UConn players on that trip (Swin, Renee, Sue and Tina). The other USA players were McCoughtry, Dupree, Wiggins, Harding, Fowles, Christon and Langhorne.
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It will be very interesting to hear which players allegedly approached her to report this to her.
 
UConnCat said:
The "2 players" were mentioned by the complainant in her interview with the NY Times. As I recall, there's no mention of the 2 players in the complaint; she simply alleges as fact what she claimed (in the Times interview) the 2 players told her about Geno's comments.

BTW, there were 4 UConn players on that trip (Swin, Renee, Sue and Tina). The other USA players were McCoughtry, Dupree, Wiggins, Harding, Fowles, Christon and Langhorne.
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Right, there is no mention in the complaint of two players doing anything. But in a NY Times interview, the complainant talks about the 2 players. Interesting discrepancy that I am sure defense lawyers will tear apart.
 
speedoo said:
Right, there is no mention in the complaint of two players doing anything. But in a NY Times interview, the complainant talks about the 2 players. Interesting discrepancy that I am sure defense lawyers will tear apart.
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Unless the two players are named and come forward to corroborate the story. Does the defense really want to bring this up if there is a chance that there are two players who will come forward and state that they did go to Hardwick to report that Geno made comments about her? If they state that they did but it wasn't included in the lawsuit how would that benefit the defense? It would only be introducing additional evidence to support her claim.

Hopefully, the two players cannot be identified. If not, that would shoot all sorts of bullets in her claim. If there are two players who went to Hardwick then that would further the claim of improper behavior.

In my mind it still all boils down to the two questions that I mentioned earlier.
1. Was there a report filed in 2009
2. Is there evidence that Geno asked that Hardwick be removed from security detail.
 
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speedoo said:
Right, there is no mention in the complaint of two players doing anything. But in a NY Times interview, the complainant talks about the 2 players. Interesting discrepancy that I am sure defense lawyers will tear apart.
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It's not a big issue. The purpose of the complaint is to set forth enough factual assertions to substantiate the claim for relief and provide notice to the defendant(s) of the claim and the facts that support it. The complaint asserts that Geno's comments were overheard by others. It doesn't matter that the persons who overheard the comments are not identified more specifically. That evidence will come out in discovery and a trial if it goes that far.
 
easttexastrash said:
Unless the two players are named and come forward to corroborate the story. Does the defense really want to bring this up if there is a chance that there are two players who will come forward and state that they did go to Hardwick to report that Geno made comments about her? If they state that they did but it wasn't included in the lawsuit how would that benefit the defense? It would only be introducing additional evidence to support her claim.

Hopefully, the two players cannot be identified. If not, that would shoot all sorts of bullets in her claim. If there are two players who went to Hardwick then that would further the claim of improper behavior.

In my mind it still all boils down to the two questions that I mentioned earlier.
1. Was there a report filed in 2009
2. Is there evidence that Geno asked that Hardwick be removed from security detail.
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If there really were 2 players as alleged in the NY TIMes piece, why were they not named in the complaint?

Possible answers: 1) they do not exist and the person who talked about them with the NYT was mistaken, or 2) they exist, but refuse to be witnesses for the plaintiff.

Either way, not good for the plaintiff.
 
speedoo said:
If there really were 2 players as alleged in the NY TIMes piece, why were they not named in the complaint?

Possible answers: 1) they do not exist and the person who talked about them with the NYT was mistaken, or 2) they exist, but refuse to be witnesses for the plaintiff.

Either way, not good for the plaintiff.
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Just because they were not mentioned in the complaint does not mean that they cannot be called to testify under oath. I doubt that every detail is going to be mentioned in the complaint.
 
UConnCat said:
It's not a big issue. The purpose of the complaint is to set forth enough factual assertions to substantiate the claim for relief and provide notice to the defendant(s) of the claim and the facts that support it. The complaint asserts that Geno's comments were overheard by others. It doesn't matter that the persons who overheard the comments are not identified more specifically. That evidence will come out in discovery and a trial if it goes that far.
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I don't know yet whether it's a big issue or not. I just find it interesting that the complaint has a completely different scenario that gave rise to the alleged Geno comments than is described in the NY Times piece. Not being an attorney, I have no basis for disagreeing with the rest of your comment, but it sounds right to this lay person.
 
speedoo said:
I don't know yet whether it's a big issue or not. I just find it interesting that the complaint has a completely different scenario that gave rise to the alleged Geno comments than is described in the NY Times piece. Not being an attorney, I have no basis for disagreeing with the rest of your comment, but it sounds right to this lay person.
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All the NYT article adds is that two players came to her to say that Geno had made some unflattering, and apparently racially insensitive, things about her. Maybe I am missing it but I don't see how this contradicts anything in the complaint, but I don't remember every detail.
 
easttexastrash said:
If there are multiple people who corroborate that she reported this in 2009, Tolbert being one of them, then both have a problem.
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More of a problem but an insurmountable one.
 
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easttexastrash said:
All the NYT article adds is that two players came to her to say that Geno had made some unflattering, and apparently racially insensitive, things about her. Maybe I am missing it but I don't see how this contradicts anything in the complaint, but I don't remember every detail.
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Nor does it support it.
 
Icebear said:
Nor does it support it.
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The complaint states that the defendant was overheard calling the plaintiff "ghetto" and having said "I don't know why they are calling Shaniqua over here." It is not detailed who overheard this and how it was reported to Hardwick. Was it the two players? That remains to be determined.

I think that the claims of racially insensitive language would be as alarming than the claim of sexual harassment.
 
vowelguy said:
Leaving aside the definition of prejudice .
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pre judging people.....which we all do.

vowelguy said:
... there's a BIG difference from describing your experience to therefore concluding that most fall into a particular category. There's something to be said for (a) recognizing when your experience may be a small non-representative sample, and (b) learning about other people's experiences before drawing a final conclusion.
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Nothing to do with "final conclusion". Just a conclusion based on one's experience. Granted a person may (or should) have more experiences, but from any experience they do have, they are going to draw conclusions (no matter the sample size). Why would anyone believe something to be true that flies in the face of their experiences?? Why would I trust your experiences? Especially if they differ from mine? Should you trust mine? Would you trust mine if they differed from yours? (you don't seem to take into accounts OC's in drawing your conclusions.)
 
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Replicant said:
How ya doing? I get a big smile every time I see you posting! :)

The Cesspool needs you back brother...use it for rehab! Or defibrillator in case of emergency! :eek:
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Thank you. Started Rehab this week (got me walking and riding bikes). Be awhile before I can get back to work. Good thing the Euro soccer tournament is on....gives me something to do all day. (besides post on here or the Cesspool ;) - not allowed to get my heart rate up that high :rolleyes:)
 
msf22b said:
Its a positive sign that other woman have not come forward with stories of unwanted advances; very positive.
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Not even at the 24 hour point yet. I, for one, am wary of piling on.
 
easttexastrash said:
If there are multiple people who corroborate that she reported this in 2009, Tolbert being one of them, then both have a problem.
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I'm not so sure. All he is being accused of in the intial incident is a rebuffed flirtation. That's not particularly damning. There are a lot of other proof hurdles for the plaintiff to negotiate before she could prevail.
 
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