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I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
 
I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
Food fight!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:
 
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I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
Some of what you say makes sense.
 
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I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
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I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
Sounds really innovative. What current coaches are at the forefront of this thinking? It's weird how he's never thought of this before. And how should Auriemma go about doing this?
 
I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
Two ways to build a top team, portal (new) or recruitment/training (traditional). Of the top 5 programs, only UConn remains true to the student athlete and creating an opportunity for life after basketball for those not destined for continued success in the sport (WNBA). Geno's players, fans and supporters are indeed fortunate that he has chosen to continue his way of mentorship, not bowing to the trends in college sports to become pseudo professional franchises.
 
Somehow I thought that (the bolded sentence in the previous post) is exactly what Geno has been doing for nearly all of his time here (I started following him and the UConn WBB team in 2004).

Rather than starting a fire and running away, can you explain in more detail (i.e., some detail) what he needs to do in these areas that he and the assistant coaches are not already doing?
 
I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
Good thing this is virtual. No need for an escort outta here. lol If I ever need backup I'll definitely give you a ring.
 
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It seems to me Geno is still doing everything OK. I don't know what more you think he needs to do. Taking 3 Seniors and 4 freshmen to the final four and losing it to a questionable call by a ref in the last seconds ( to many of us it was questionable) isnt easy and it shows that he still has it. His team has been decimated by injuries the last several years.
Imagine how good we could have been if we had everyone healthy since 2021.
 
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Go ask Tina Charles what she was doing the first two years at UConn!(under Geno) I ‘m gonna guess she was having her individual skill set refined and incorporated ino a team and game setting! Of course thre are others you could ask as well, Rebecca, Steff, Stewie, Maria, Inez, etc.
 
Geno & CD’s approach has been probably the best for 40 years.

With all the todo over CC in the W and having a grandson being a monster fan I had to pay attention to the w this year. . . For him and to be informed when he asks what I think.

What I think (didn’t tell him) is the w is a violent activity if you’re non in the preferred demographics. It’s seeming like the college game is going that direction as well.

I suspect my seasons of watching women’s basketball are numbered disregarding my age and health.
 
I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
I will probably forget a bunch of players that came into UConn as freshmen, and were a bit one-dimensional, and by the time they graduated, their skill sets expanded. Diana, Stewie, Paige, Aaliyah, Gabby ...
 
I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.

1). How exactly are women different now than before? And how exactly has he failed to adapt? Considering he's lead a top program since the first championship in 1995 and still lands top talent, he's adapted in a lot of areas.

2). Yes and no. If you read the Time article with Caitlin Clark, she notes that there's a large gap between NCAA and the WNBA. This will never change if you ask me.

“Professional players and professional coaches—this is no disrespect to college women's basketball—are a lot smarter,” she says in the article. “I love women's college basketball. But if you go back and watch the way people guarded me in college, it's almost, like, concerning. They didn’t double me, they didn't trap me, they weren't physical.

"And it’s hard. It’s college," she continued. "A lot of those women will never go on to play another basketball game in their life. They don't have the IQ of understanding how the game works. So I completely understand it. And it's no disrespect at all. They don’t have the IQ. You have to simplify it for girls at that age."

Posting the Sports Illustrated article where I found this quote for reference.

 
“Professional players and professional coaches—this is no disrespect to college women's basketball—are a lot smarter,” she says in the article. “I love women's college basketball. But if you go back and watch the way people guarded me in college, it's almost, like, concerning. They didn’t double me, they didn't trap me, they weren't physical.

"And it’s hard. It’s college," she continued. "A lot of those women will never go on to play another basketball game in their life. They don't have the IQ of understanding how the game works. So I completely understand it. And it's no disrespect at all. They don’t have the IQ. You have to simplify it for girls at that age."
Hmmm. This is not Caitlin’s best moment. To say “it’s no disrespect at all,” is practically to announce “Disrespect incoming.”
 
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1). How exactly are women different now than before? And how exactly has he failed to adapt? Considering he's lead a top program since the first championship in 1995 and still lands top talent, he's adapted in a lot of areas.

2). Yes and no. If you read the Time article with Caitlin Clark, she notes that there's a large gap between NCAA and the WNBA. This will never change if you ask me.

“Professional players and professional coaches—this is no disrespect to college women's basketball—are a lot smarter,” she says in the article. “I love women's college basketball. But if you go back and watch the way people guarded me in college, it's almost, like, concerning. They didn’t double me, they didn't trap me, they weren't physical.

"And it’s hard. It’s college," she continued. "A lot of those women will never go on to play another basketball game in their life. They don't have the IQ of understanding how the game works. So I completely understand it. And it's no disrespect at all. They don’t have the IQ. You have to simplify it for girls at that age."

Posting the Sports Illustrated article where I found this quote for reference.

If they weren't physical, then why was she constantly flopping to the floor and crying for fouls? With so much media to satisfy now she just had to make sure everybody knows how much smarter she thinks she is.
 
Hmmm. This is not Caitlin’s best moment. To say “it’s no disrespect at all,” is practically to announce “Disrespect incoming.”
If they weren't physical, then why was she constantly flopping to the floor and crying for fouls? With so much media to satisfy now she just had to make sure everybody knows how much smarter she thinks she is.
The reason why I included the quote was to challenge the OP's statement about today's age of athletes are further ahead from a basketball IQ perspective. If she's seeing this herself, then the OP's theory isn't accurate and further confirms Geno is still well ahead of the game.
 
I realize that what I’m about to propose is going to upset some of you, but I believe there is some truth in it. Geno deciding to coach women’s basketball has undoubtedly been a blessing to not only the growth of that sport but women’s sports in general. We found out that “girls” just want to be treated like athletes, that they are strong and just as competitive as guys and they could be coached hard and not pampered. He came along at just the right time, but things change, the women coming up now are different, and he’s not adjusted to those changes. He is without a doubt the greatest teacher of the game since Wooden, but women know how to play the game now, thanks in large part to him. What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
Like all fans I know exactly what every coach should do to be better or even the best but even I can't go with this one. Geno is a trend maker and game is what it is because of him all that is true and I agree with you. But to say the game has passed him by though I just don't agree with.

Geno still recruits the best players, and gets the ones that he thinks will fit into his program best. They still win at a clip that is among the very best in college basketball while trying to play a difficult schedule before conference so I guess I don't see what you are seeing. Is there more parity in college basketball? Asbsolutely but that shouldn't be confused with Geno forgetting how to coach.
 
It seems to me Geno is still doing everything OK. I don't know what more you think he needs to do. Taking 3 Seniors and 4 freshmen to the final four and losing it to a questionable call by a ref in the last seconds ( to many of us it was questionable) isnt easy and it shows that he still has it. His team has been decimated by injuries the last several years.
Imagine how good we could have been if we had everyone healthy since 2021.
Agreed, @Blond D. I'd also add that top recruits are still lining up to play for Geno. They still seem to believe that he's the coach to play for to have "their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting." Just ask Sarah Strong.
 
Hmmm. This is not Caitlin’s best moment. To say “it’s no disrespect at all,” is practically to announce “Disrespect incoming.”
You never pass up an opportunity to take swipes at her, huh?

She's right about it not being disrespectful. She's just accurately assessing the vast gulf between the collegiate and professional ranks.

As for the OP's statement, while I do have concerns about Geno's ability to adapt to portal-and-NIL culture, I believe he's more than proven an ability to refine individual skill sets and incorporate players into a team and game setting.
 
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What they need is to have their individual skill set refined, and incorporated into a team and game setting. Things change, we have to be flexible enough to adapt, or perhaps it’s time to step aside.
@BobbyJ
"Sounds really innovative. What current coaches are at the forefront of this thinking? It's weird how he's never thought of this before. And how should Auriemma go about doing this?"
(It's sometimes hard to read intent -- sans emoji's -- in a largely black and white medium. I'm guessing you have point of view, but your wording and jerseyguy's comment got me thinking.)

I think I'm getting the gist of this line of thought and will add one or two other scenario setters: In many instances, young woman are learning individual technical skills earlier and are also taking in more basketball (WCBB, WNBA, the NBA, etc.). Some of this is great, some of it results in five non-related, one-person shows in AAU events.

Through the 2019-20 season, you could count on two teams running a Princeton-based system that relied on ball and people movement, screens, a mix of shot-making and lack of turnovers: UConn and Notre Dame. Both coaches made allowances for individual talents to shine, but they fit in within that offense. I'd say that Niele Ivey has changed that dynamic a bit for ND.

Coach Ivey has largely eschewed the Princeton offense, as McGraw taught it, in favor of getting ball players who can -- and must -- create their own shots, whether through dribble penetration, pull-up jumpers, etc. The "team aspect" comes into play via working off high screens (Hidalgo and Westbeld are masters of the pick and pop); an off-ball player reacting to dribble penetration (Miles dribbling and Citron back-door cutting or fading to the arc for a three). One will see elements of the Princeton with players setting screens, then curling into open areas (usually Citron and Westbeld).

The similarity to the "old ND" is the transition game. McGraw and Ivey will always get solid rebounders who can throw outlet passes (Jess Shepard, Westbeld, Kate Koval) to the guards, all of whom are fast and technically adept on the break.

Ivey believes young talent largely wants to play in up-tempo, high-scoring offenses...and they want to get to the pro's. To that end, she hired Carlos Knox, who was in the WNBA for a long stretch, to work on skills that will help them make the transition. Westbeld is a disciple of Knox, particularly on footwork. Meanwhile, Ivey oversees tape review with her point guards, Miles and Hidalgo. Plus, there is a constant stream of ND alums coming into work, from Diggins-Smith (a South Bend native) to Kayla McBride.

There is a constant amount of work to balance this "I/We" continuum into player and team to match Ivey philosophy and players' talents. It's a hard take and one reason why I think ND recruiting is hit or miss: she's after a particular player. But when she hits it -- see Miles, Hidalgo, Soni Citron -- it soars.

That said, it's awfully hard to critique what Geno and Chris Dailey have done, from recruiting to creating one beautiful offense that can hum like few others. Save for Strong and Bueckers, most of the half-court sets seem to dictate what many players are doing. Perhaps, that's why I liked what I saw of KK Arnold driving hard and Chen getting off her mid-range game. Softened up ND's defense.

It will be interesting to see variations or similarities once Azzi and Aubrey come back.
 
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Like all fans I know exactly what every coach should do to be better or even the best but even I can't go with this one. Geno is a trend maker and game is what it is because of him all that is true and I agree with you. But to say the game has passed him by though I just don't agree with.

Geno still recruits the best players, and gets the ones that he thinks will fit into his program best. They still win at a clip that is among the very best in college basketball while trying to play a difficult schedule before conference so I guess I don't see what you are seeing. Is there more parity in college basketball? Asbsolutely but that shouldn't be confused with Geno forgetting how to coach.
The OP’s post strikes me as odd seeing that the last two years may be two of the best coaching jobs of his career. Taking a Paige-less team to the Final Four with 5 guards and 2 forwards was a masterpiece and then he nearly did it again the next year with 4 freshmen, a junior, and 2 seniors, falling by only 2 points in the Elite 8. All this with constantly changing rosters due to injury/illness and his own debilitating grief at the loss of his mother. What Geno got the team to achieve was incredible
 
The OP’s post strikes me as odd seeing that the last two years may be two of the best coaching jobs of his career. Taking a Paige-less team to the Final Four with only 5 guards and 2 forwards was a masterpiece and then he nearly did it again the next year with 4 freshmen, a junior, and 2 seniors, only falling by 2 points in the Elite 8. All this with a constantly changing rosters due to injury/illness and his own debilitating grief at the loss of his mother. What Geno got the team to achieve was incredible
Agree, last year with half his team missing, Geno deserved the National coach of the year award. I know of no other coach in Basketball who can do what he did, it was pure genius!
 
Geno still recruits the best players, and gets the ones that he thinks will fit into his program best. They still win at a clip that is among the very best in college basketball while trying to play a difficult schedule before conference so I guess I don't see what you are seeing. Is there more parity in college basketball? Asbsolutely but that shouldn't be confused with Geno forgetting how to coach.
Recruiting is a 2 way street. These young ladies are choosing to come to UConn and be coached by Geno and Chris.

Recent challenges have all been about parity and UConn injuries.

If you are a fan of women's sports in general and ncaaw hoops, parity has been fantastic in creating more big games and bringing in more fans.

Geno has even been a patron saint of parity. He has brought media attention, taught others how to build a program, and mentored up and coming coaches.

Geno is just fine. The Huskies still have our best team since the 'core four' and are right in the mix to win #12.
 
@BobbyJ
"Sounds really innovative. What current coaches are at the forefront of this thinking? It's weird how he's never thought of this before. And how should Auriemma go about doing this?"
(It's sometimes hard to read intent -- sans emoji's -- in a largely black and white medium. I'm guessing you have point of view, but your wording and jerseyguy's comment got me thinking.)

I think I'm getting the gist of this line of thought and will add one or two other scenario setters: In many instances, young woman are learning individual technical skills earlier and are also taking in more basketball (WCBB, WNBA, the NBA, etc.). Some of this is great, some of it results in five non-related, one-person shows in AAU events.

Through the 2019-20 season, you could count on two teams running a Princeton-based system that relied on ball and people movement, screens, a mix of shot-making and lack of turnovers: UConn and Notre Dame. Both coaches made allowances for individual talents to shine, but they fit in within that offense. I'd say that Niele Ivey has changed that dynamic a bit for ND.

Coach Ivey has largely eschewed the Princeton offense, as McGraw taught it, in favor of getting ball players who can -- and must -- create their own shots, whether through dribble penetration, pull-up jumpers, etc. The "team aspect" comes into play via working off high screens (Hidalgo and Westbeld are masters of the pick and pop); an off-ball player reacting to dribble penetration (Miles dribbling and Citron back-door cutting or fading to the arc for a three). One will see elements of the Princeton with players setting screens, then curling into open areas (usually Citron and Westbeld).

The similarity to the "old ND" is the transition game. McGraw and Ivey will always get solid rebounders who can throw outlet passes (Jess Shepard, Westbeld, Kate Koval) to the guards, all of whom are fast and technically adept on the break.

Ivey believes young talent largely wants to play in up-tempo, high-scoring offenses...and they want to get to the pro's. To that end, she hired Carlos Knox, who was in the WNBA for a long stretch, to work on skills that will help them make the transition. Westbeld is a disciple of Knox, particularly on footwork. Meanwhile, Ivey oversees tape review with her point guards, Miles and Hidalgo. Plus, there is a constant stream of ND alums coming into work, from Diggins-Smith (a South Bend native) to Kayla McBride.

There is a constant amount of work to balance this "I/We" continuum into player and team to match Ivey philosophy and players' talents. It's a hard take and one reason why I think ND recruiting is hit or miss: she's after a particular player. But when she hits it -- see Miles, Hidalgo, Soni Citron -- it soars.

That said, it's awfully hard to critique what Geno and Chris Dailey have done, from recruiting to creating one beautiful offense that can hum like few others. Save for Strong and Bueckers, most of the half-court sets seem to dictate what many players are doing. Perhaps, that's why I liked what I saw of KK Arnold driving hard and Chen getting off her mid-range game. Softened up ND's defense.

It will be interesting to see variations or similarities once Azzi and Aubrey come back.
Yeah I should’ve used an emoji in there. I guess I disguised how half baked I thought the guy’s statement was. Obviously most competent coaches are all attempting to do what this guy describes so I wanted to see him justify his statement. In retrospect I realize that’s probably not going to happen. I’m aware of and agree with most of your points and it will be interesting to see which coaches do the best job of it by tournament time.
 
Really surprised this has survived this deep into the day. Some may have detected I have issues with Geno, BUT not his coaching skills. For quite some years there has been almost unanimity in commentators pointing out AAU and similar programs emphasizing games over skills development has taken a toll, frankly with both genders. Kids actually get to college not able to set or get around or screen a pick! Geno has said the program has not been immune from this. Freshman are learning fundamentals when they should be advancing their game. Some kids have personal ball trainers in HS and some continue that in college. Another factor is where is the kid's head at, and at this Geno and Company are masters, but it is hard to be perfect. A recent 6' 5" was an utter disaster because of this. Some years back a #1 recruit never lived up to her potential because she had issues being coached. Geno worked with that as best he could, but I believe she left early.

The issue is not with the coach but the softness of too many recruits.
 
Yeah I should’ve used an emoji in there. I guess I disguised how half baked I thought the guy’s statement was. Obviously most competent coaches are all attempting to do what this guy describes so I wanted to see him justify his statement. In retrospect I realize that’s probably not going to happen. I’m aware of and agree with most of your points and it will be interesting to see which coaches do the best job of it by tournament time.
Agree. Among the top teams, I think we're seeing a lot of works in progress. Transfers and massive frosh classes can be a challenge. And not all of it is linear, with players coming and going due to injuries, illnesses, etc. Stay tuned.
 
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