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kemba said:
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I've seen very few complain about most of the actual conclusions. It's the character and plot development getting there which has been terrible.
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Then I suggest you reread this thread about Dany and episode 5. Or anywhere else on the internet
 
They butchered the rest of the season, and last season wasn't great either, but I liked this episode. I liked the Jon/Dany scene, Drogon burning the throne was a nice touch. I also like that there is no more bloodline rule. Jon killing Dany rang true, he's always done what is necessary, damn the consequences. I'm glad he redeemed himself by petting Ghost.
 
navery12 said:
Then I suggest you reread this thread about Dany and episode 5. Or anywhere else on the internet
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Again, very few, except maybe like the Dany fans who like named their kids after her were opposed to her turning mad queen. If you had told me 4 seasons ago Dany would lose it and burn cities I'd say that sounds like a great ending can't wait to see it. It's how they got there that made no sense.
 
kemba said:
Again, very few, except maybe like the Dany fans who like named their kids after her were opposed to her turning mad queen. If you had told me 4 seasons ago Dany would lose it and burn cities I'd say that sounds like a great ending can't wait to see it. It's how they got there that made no sense.
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Maybe it's been exaggerated because we're at 26 pages and only about 10 people talking, but there's been a ton of complaining about the endings chosen for characters. It's not just the leadup
 
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The thousand year build up of the undead coming to takeover Westeros, undone in a single night by seemingly a handful of Dothraki and Unsullied and a single stab to the gut. What a waste.

The secret that Ned Stark guarded with his life, that could have (should have!) CHANGED EVERYTHING... ended up being completely pointless! Just go back to being Jon Snow north of the wall! COME ON

Then the whole GAME OF THRONES... yes fine if you want it bad enough it will destroy you, all well and good. How the hell do the other six kingdoms just sit there and let the Starks run train on them? Oh sure North, you can be free, totally cool that we’ll be under a Stark king why on earth would we want to be independent?
 
Hot garbage on a Sunday night.

1. There’s no way in Hades that the Dothraki and Unsullied were gonna let Jon Snow murder Dany and live. They would’ve stormed the cell. Greyworm was just cutting throats for the lady hours ago.Badly written
2. Bran the Broken was written as a neutral Buddha type character that was detached from “wants” and desires but now he always wanted to be king. Badly written
3. All in a sudden they instituted a system of selecting Kings ,on the spot, just so Tyrion doesn’t get killed. No more Nobles and serf , feudal system and we’re gonna vote Kings into power. Badly written
4. Jon Snow is just gonna walk down the street amongst Dothraki and Unsullied after killing Dany and nothing happens? Are you kidding me? Horribly written
 
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navery12 said:
Maybe it's been exaggerated because we're at 26 pages and only about 10 people talking, but there's been a ton of complaining about the endings chosen for characters. It's not just the leadup
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Ok well I agree for some individual character arcs, but still if leadup was better done/is better done in the books, that could potentially change some opinions. Stuff from last week though was all about the build up
 
kemba said:
Ok well I agree for some individual character arcs, but still if leadup was better done/is better done in the books, that could potentially change some opinions. Stuff from last week though was all about the build up
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I think that's a reasonable take, not one I necessarily agree with but reasonable. But there are people who think Dany going mad or Bran on the Iron Throne (or whatever it is now) are bad endings which I find crazy
 
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There are many problems with the final episode based on what happened before.
1) The Dothraki were all killed in their mad rush against the dead things. There's no way there are any left and certainly not in that number.
2) There's no way that Arya or Brienne would have been at the final council.
3) Wasn't the wall destroyed? Why is it intact at the end?
4) Why do you need a Nights Watch or the wall anymore?
 
navery12 said:
I think that's a reasonable take, not one I necessarily agree with but reasonable. But there are people who think Dany going mad or Bran on the Iron Throne (or whatever it is now) are bad endings which I find crazy
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Nobody thinks Dany going mad was unreasonable (or at least nobody should). It was rushed but foreshadowed and they had so little time to make it right. It was the butchering of other character arcs that pissed most people off.

The writing went off the rails IMO but I'll be damned if there weren't several unbelievable shots in that episode. The scene where Dany addressed the warriors was stunning. I knew what was going to happen and think it was silly but thought it was a nice episode to end on given that the NK and Jaime arcs were already fubar. The show had a chance to be an all time great but the past 2 seasons have rendered it merely entertaining.
 
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Horatio said:
Hot garbage on a Sunday night.

1. There’s no way in Hades that the Dothraki and Unsullied were gonna let Jon Snow murder Dany and live. They would’ve stormed the cell. Greyworm was just cutting throats for the lady hours ago.Badly written
2. Bran the Broken was written as a neutral Buddha type character that was detached from “wants” and desires but now he always wanted to be king. Badly written
3. All in a sudden they instituted a system of selecting Kings ,on the spot, just so Tyrion doesn’t get killed. No more Nobles and serf , feudal system and we’re gonna vote Kings into power. Badly written
4. Jon Snow is just gonna walk down the street amongst Dothraki and Unsullied after killing Dany and nothing happens? Are you kidding me? Horribly written
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1) Once their queen was killed and dragon was gone, the Dothraki and Unsullied's standing in the country would have been a lot more dodgy. Also, they were fighting all these battles on a different continent. They were treated as almost mindless cyborgs, but I suspect both would want to leave relatively soon. If the book follows a similar arc, I am sure that will be addressed.

2) Bran would have been selected BECAUSE he was neutral and BECAUSE he couldn't have kids. He also wouldn't be from any of the Noble Houses. He was the perfect first king.

3) There were going to continue to be nobles. Weren't you paying attention when they all laughed at Tarly's idea of general elections? The Holy Roman Emperor was actually elected by the noble houses of that empire, so this is not an original idea.

4) See 1 above.


Essentially, not much changed. The North would be independent, but who wanted that scalitohole anyway? Otherwise, the Wheel would just keep rolling along.
 
Walker11 said:
Nobody thinks Dany going mad was unreasonable (or at least nobody should). It was rushed but foreshadowed and they had so little time to make it right. It was the butchering of other character arcs that pissed most people off.

The writing went off the rails IMO but I'll be damned if there weren't several unbelievable shots in that episode. The scene where Dany addressed the warriors was stunning. I knew what was going to happen and think it was silly but thought it was a nice episode to end on given that the NK and Jaime arcs were already fubar. The show had a chance to be an all time great but the past 2 seasons have rendered it merely entertaining.
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I think a lot of people are missing the point. Dany had her reasons, and she certainly didn't consider herself crazy. If you are looking at this from a simple "good vs. bad" perspective, you will miss the point of all of it.

I will say that they could have just ripped the Night King arc out completely and the show would have actually been better. Zombie Apocalypse was the least interesting part of Game of Thrones.
 
Dany wasn't crazy. All of her moves made sense for real world of power. Even the most benevolent monarchs illicited a healthy amount of fear. Reality was the barrier the world her team wanted to build.

I hate they rushed the season, but I liked the ending. And they left a lot of doors opened.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I think a lot of people are missing the point. Dany had her reasons, and she certainly didn't consider herself crazy. If you are looking at this from a simple "good vs. bad" perspective, you will miss the point of all of it.

I will say that they could have just ripped the Night King arc out completely and the show would have actually been better. Zombie Apocalypse was the least interesting part of Game of Thrones.
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At least D and D didn't say "Dany kinda forgot xyz"
to explain the Kings Landing sacking like they said "Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet" when Rhagal was killed. I like the proposed idea that Dany goes crazy after the surrender occurs and a stray shot hits Drogon. The writers were backed into a wall with the Night King arc. It was a compelling undercurrent throughout but I don't know how you write yourself out of out of a battle versus an endless army led by an all powerful zombie king and they didn't figure it out either.
 
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They should have ended the series with John stabbing Daenerys. Obviously you have to change up the lead in, but I’m not a big fan of the tie up all the lose ends ending.
 
I thought it was pretty good. I thought the season suffered from too much compression - feels like some of the story needed more air and didn’t get it because they were trying to land this in six episodes. The whole lineage thing kinda got lost in the shuffle.

Tonight’s episode verged on great for me for a long while and then kind of slipped near the end - mostly around Jon Snow. That wasn’t a particularly satisfying end for him in my opinion; I have eight years invested in this show and I do not want to see four minutes of Kit Harrington making a frowny face. By God, give the man a kingdom or let him keep the dragon or something.

I think it’ll play better with a second viewing. There’s a lot going on - someone said the show felt like it was written by second-graders. I think the problem for most is that it wasn’t....
 
nelsonmuntz said:
1) Once their queen was killed and dragon was gone, the Dothraki and Unsullied's standing in the country would have been a lot more dodgy. Also, they were fighting all these battles on a different continent. They were treated as almost mindless cyborgs, but I suspect both would want to leave relatively soon. “If the book follows a similar arc, I am sure that will be addressed.”

2) Bran would have been selected BECAUSE he was neutral and BECAUSE he couldn't have kids. He also wouldn't be from any of the Noble Houses. He was the perfect first king.

3) There were going to continue to be nobles. Weren't you paying attention when they all laughed at Tarly's idea of general elections? The Holy Roman Emperor was actually elected by the noble houses of that empire, so this is not an original idea.

4) See 1 above.


Essentially, not much changed. The North would be independent, but who wanted that scalitohole anyway? Otherwise, the Wheel would just keep rolling along.
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And that’s another huge problem. The minute
People say things like “ that’s something I’m sure will be addressed in the book” or “If the book follows a similar arc, I am sure that will be addressed” you have further confused and insulted millions. I don’t care about a book. I needed last night and season 8 to make since to me on HBO , at home while holding my beer. I shouldn’t have to meet with a expert geek, dressed like a Maester , at Comic Con in order to understand the poorly written season 8 I just invested time in.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
I liked it. It kind of ended small after a huge episode, which was fine with me. Jon had to do what he did, and there were consequences for his actions.

While Bran is somewhat feel good, the reality is that the Wheel defeated Danaerys. The council of nobles that elected Bran was a collection of mediocrities, but that was who was left, and they would run the continent. Edmure, who was a failure every time he showed up, made a jackass out of himself one last time, yet he is one of the most powerful men in Westeros, showing that nothing changed.

I liked that the nobles all laughed when Tarly suggested they allow everyone to vote.

Overall, a solid season. I didn't agree with every outcome, but I was entertained and nothing completely pissed me off, unlike last season.
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What a jackass.
 
Fishy said:
I thought it was pretty good. I thought the season suffered from too much compression - feels like some of the story needed more air and didn’t get it because they were trying to land this in six episodes. The whole lineage thing kinda got lost in the shuffle.

Tonight’s episode verged on great for me for a long while and then kind of slipped near the end - mostly around Jon Snow. That wasn’t a particularly satisfying end for him in my opinion; I have eight years invested in this show and I do not want to see four minutes of Kit Harrington making a frowny face. By God, give the man a kingdom or let him keep the dragon or something.

I think it’ll play better with a second viewing. There’s a lot going on - someone said the show felt like it was written by second-graders. I think the problem for most is that it wasn’t....
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Second viewing? I would rather remarry my ex-wife for another ten-year prison term than rewatch that mess. It was awful. God awful. I literally was yelling at the television "just end."
 
nelsonmuntz said:
1) Once their queen was killed and dragon was gone, the Dothraki and Unsullied's standing in the country would have been a lot more dodgy. Also, they were fighting all these battles on a different continent. They were treated as almost mindless cyborgs, but I suspect both would want to leave relatively soon. If the book follows a similar arc, I am sure that will be addressed.

2) Bran would have been selected BECAUSE he was neutral and BECAUSE he couldn't have kids. He also wouldn't be from any of the Noble Houses. He was the perfect first king.

3) There were going to continue to be nobles. Weren't you paying attention when they all laughed at Tarly's idea of general elections? The Holy Roman Emperor was actually elected by the noble houses of that empire, so this is not an original idea.

4) See 1 above.


Essentially, not much changed. The North would be independent, but who wanted that scalitohole anyway? Otherwise, the Wheel would just keep rolling along.
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Hold on. The Dothraki’s entire mentality is “next man up.” They follow Dany to the ends of the earth then in the moment of truth she’s assassinated and they just fold? Are you joking. So them and the Unsullied are just going to invade some small tropical island and chill there forever? Lol, come on.
 
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UConnTrumbull said:
Hold on. The Dothraki’s entire mentality is “next man up.” They follow Dany to the ends of the earth then in the moment of truth she’s assassinated and they just fold? Are you joking. So them and the Unsullied are just going to invade some small tropical island and chill there forever? Lol, come on.
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I was surprised by all the surprises about the Dothraki and Unsullied HBO kept from us for 8 seasons. Who knew they multiplied like gremlins when tossed in water? Brilliant, just brilliant writing. From a few straggly survivors of the fight with the dead, to two brand new standing armies in the course of a victory celebration.
 
Horatio said:
And that’s another huge problem. The minute
People say things like “ that’s something I’m sure will be addressed in the book” or “If the book follows a similar arc, I am sure that will be addressed” you have further confused and insulted millions. I don’t care about a book. I needed last night and season 8 to make since to me on HBO , at home while holding my beer. I shouldn’t have to meet with a expert geek, dressed like a Maester , at Comic Con in order to understand the poorly written season 8 I just invested time in.
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HBO stole the 8 best years of my life.
 
Mano said:
Funny how he's been bemoaning the "fanboys" this whole time...
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It's his modus operandi. He did it in the Star Wars threads at the same exact time he was defending the hot messes Disney crapped out from the people who didn't just extol the turds.

"I loved it. I absolutely loved it. It was the bestest when Luke magicked a holographic image to fend off the bad side of the force." Nelsonmuntz.

"What's up with all these fanboys and magic lovers? Magic ruins everything because it is a cheap plot device." Also Nelsonmuntz.
 
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