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Yeah because learning that Baelish has gone how deep and has waited how long (all the way back to setting Joffrey and Marjorie up?) to orchestrate Sansa's departure from King's landing, which now further implicates major character Tyrion in the assassination, is just a throw-away detail.
 
babysheep said:
Yeah because learning that Baelish has gone how deep and has waited how long (all the way back to setting Joffrey and Marjorie up?) to orchestrate Sansa's departure from King's landing, which now further implicates major character Tyrion in the assassination, is just a throw-away detail.
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I don't think it's likely that Littlefinger orchestrated Joffrey's assassination in order to spring Sansa from King's Landing. He's heavily involved in the Game of Thrones, and likely viewed the opportunity to nab Sansa as a mere bonus. If freeing Sansa was a priority, after all, he could have accomplished it far sooner than he did and spared her from both Joffrey's cruelty and marriage to a whoring Imp twice her age and half her size.

Littlefinger is one of the Game of Thrones' true meastros. Yeah, he has a weakness for Sansa because she's the daughter of Cat Tully. But the weakness is one of lust, not love. He would sacrifice her on the altar of ambition without a moment's regret.
 
Spartacus said:
I don't think it's likely that Littlefinger orchestrated Joffrey's assassination in order to spring Sansa from King's Landing. He's heavily involved in the Game of Thrones, and likely viewed the opportunity to nab Sansa as a mere bonus. If freeing Sansa was a priority, after all, he could have accomplished it far sooner than he did and spared her from both Joffrey's cruelty and marriage to a whoring Imp twice her age and half her size.

Littlefinger is one of the Game of Thrones' true meastros. Yeah, he has a weakness for Sansa because she's the daughter of Cat Tully. But the weakness is one of lust, not love. He would sacrifice her on the altar of ambition without a moment's regret.
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Sansa Stark is an important piece in the chess game. It is more likely, I think, that Littlefinger agreed to support the assassination because he could make off with Sansa, and that is has nothing to do with whether he just wants to nail her or has genuine affection.
 
Actually, Baelish did try to get her out and she didn't want to come

Sansa has been a useful pawn to this point. The Tyrell's wanted to marry her to one of theirs, and then the Lannisters married her to Tyrion, and now Baelish wants to use her for exactly the same reason. If all the male heirs to Winterfell are dead, she is next in line. The north loves the Starks, and no one has much confidence that Roose and his band of misfits will hold onto things in the North for long.

Baelish also has the most to gain from Tyrion's execution, which would explain the set up.
 
Excalibur said:
Sansa Stark is an important piece in the chess game. It is more likely, I think, that Littlefinger agreed to support the assassination because he could make off with Sansa, and that is has nothing to do with whether he just wants to nail her or has genuine affection.
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I won't venture to guess whether Sansa's more important to Littlefinger because she's Ned Stark's heir or Cat Tully's daughter right now. I think that's open to debate (even Littlefinger thinks with his little head now and then I presume). Either way, I disagree that Sansa was a motivating factor behind Littlefinger's involvement in Joffrey's assassination. I think Littlefinger wanted the Lannister's weakened for his own reasons and would have supported the conspiracy under any circumstances. Sansa was a bonus, only, in that particular plot.
 
Spartacus said:
I won't venture to guess whether Sansa's more important to Littlefinger because she's Ned Stark's heir or Cat Tully's daughter right now. I think that's open to debate (even Littlefinger thinks with his little head now and then I presume). Either way, I disagree that Sansa was a motivating factor behind Littlefinger's involvement in Joffrey's assassination. I think Littlefinger wanted the Lannister's weakened for his own reasons and would have supported the conspiracy under any circumstances. Sansa was a bonus, only, in that particular plot.
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Agree.
 
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Yeah I'm not saying Baelish necessarily orchestrated the assassination, but that he could have been that deeply involved, and we know he's in with the Tyrelles.
 
Sansa is the presumed heir to Winterfell and the North. The south believes all the Stark boys to be dead. Tywin said this before he married her to Tyrion.

Littlefinger is a climber, said so himself.
 
But now the Boltons know the boys are still alive, which means the South will find out, right?
 
babysheep said:
But now the Boltons know the boys are still alive, which means the South will find out, right?
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No, it is in their interests to keep that to themselves.
 
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babysheep said:
Yeah because learning that Baelish has gone how deep and has waited how long (all the way back to setting Joffrey and Marjorie up?) to orchestrate Sansa's departure from King's landing, which now further implicates major character Tyrion in the assassination, is just a throw-away detail.
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70% of that episode is fluff. This is why I am not worried about the show outpacing the books. They can have a few episodes with guys talking about why they are bisexual to keep the NYC/True Blood segment of the fanbase happy and trade time for space.
 
ZooCougar said:
70% of that episode is fluff. This is why I am not worried about the show outpacing the books. They can have a few episodes with guys talking about why they are bis e xual to keep the NYC/True Blood segment of the fanbase happy and trade time for space.
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Have you read all of the books yet? I'm afraid that the books themselves become fluffier and fluffier from here on out. Fatso starts to loose control of his series, and indulges in writing about new tangential characters and food. Lots and lots of verbiage about the different types of food the non-essential characters are eating and tasting. Meanwhile, everyone important is wandering or ping-ponging about doing nothing. Sometimes things happen to them, but mostly by accident, kinda like earthquakes or bolts of lightning from the sky.
 
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Spartacus said:
Have you read all of the books yet? I'm afraid that the books themselves become fluffier and fluffier from here on out. Fatso starts to loose control of his series, and indulges in writing about new tangential characters and food. Lots and lots of verbiage about the different types of food the non-essential characters are eating and tasting. Meanwhile, everyone important is wandering or ping-ponging about doing nothing. Sometimes things happen to them, but mostly by accident, kinda like earthquakes or bolts of lightning from the sky.
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I just finished Feast for Crows, and I agree. I'm sorely tempted to stop reading the series, but I have so much time invested now that I feel like have to move on to Dance with Dragons. I do love the food descriptions (sarcasm), "roast fowl with a garnish of goat cheese and pine nuts smothered in a sauce of capers and red wine."

and while I'm no prude, he's getting pretty crude in his wordings, describing the finer details of female anatomy in terms of the "c-word"
 
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Spartacus said:
Have you read all of the books yet? I'm afraid that the books themselves become fluffier and fluffier from here on out. Fatso starts to loose control of his series, and indulges in writing about new tangential characters and food. Lots and lots of verbiage about the different types of food the non-essential characters are eating and tasting. Meanwhile, everyone important is wandering or ping-ponging about doing nothing. Sometimes things happen to them, but mostly by accident, kinda like earthquakes or bolts of lightning from the sky.
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Only the first. Is he pulling a Robert Jordan?
 
John said:
I just finished Feast for Crows, and I agree. I'm sorely tempted to stop reading the series, but I have so much time invested now that I feel like have to move on to Dance with Dragons. I do love the food descriptions (sarcasm), "roast fowl with a garnish of goat cheese and pine nuts smothered in a sauce of capers and red wine."

and while I'm no prude, he's getting pretty crude in his wordings, describing the finer details of female anatomy in terms of the "c-word"
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He needed to replace the characters he's killed off. I disagree with the choice to have FFC and DWD cover the same timeline with different groups of characters. Seems like a lazy attempt to fill pages with half stories. Read DWD, the amount of new characters, while annoying does get easier to absorb and DWD goes back to more of the original characters.

Also, if you are watching TV only, Season 4 is pulling content from books 3-5 so if you are watching a season then reading the next book you will find any spoilers coming in Season 5 if you read book 4.
 
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ZooCougar said:
Only the first. Is he pulling a Robert Jordan?
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He's trying much harder to pull a Jordan than Jordan ever did. Jordan published his first novel in 1990 and died seven years ago from a freak disease you normally only hear about in a House episode. In that 17-year timespan he published 11 large tomes. Yeah, he lost control, but it wasn't for lack of effort and he didn't die from a slovenly lifestyle. Fatso published his first book in 1991 and is currently writing book number six. There's no promised publishing date, but we know it won't be this year. Meanwhile, he's old, fat and spends his time blogging about chickenwings and teenage actresses.

Jordan spent his last months, after learning about his disease, dictating an outline and writing the last chapters of the series. Fatso can't even be bothered to publish a book every 5 years nowadays.

John said:
I just finished Feast for Crows, and I agree. I'm sorely tempted to stop reading the series, but I have so much time invested now that I feel like have to move on to Dance with Dragons.
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I have a love hate relationship with the series. Wish I never started it, but can't stop now that I've started. I am constantly trying to warn people off, kinda like Darth Vader on the Dark Side: It's too late for me, son. Save yourself.

Now that you're invested, I can't tell you to stop reading. I think of the last few books as tantamount to Godfather III. A comparatively awful movie, with the director's daughter thrown in to make an awful storyline even worse, but with just enough Michael Corleone to drag me back in every time it's on TV.
 
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Spartacus said:
He's trying much harder than Jordan ever did. Jordan published his first novel in 1990 and died, after publishing 11 large tomes, four years ago from a freak disease you normally only hear about in a House episode. Yeah, he lost control, but it wasn't for lack of effort and he didn't die from a slovenly lifestyle. Fatso published his first book in 1991 and is currently writing book number seven. There's no promised publishing date, but we know it won't be this year. Meanwhile, he's old, fat and spends his time blogging about chickenwings and teenage actresses.

Jordan spent his last months, after learning about his disease, dictating an outline and writing the last paragraphs of the series. Fatso can't even be bothered to publish a book every 5 years nowadays.



I have a love hate relationship with the series. Wish I never started it, but can't stop now that I've started. I am constantly trying to warn people off, kinda like Darth Vader on the Dark Side: It's too late for me, son. You don't know the power of the Dark Side. Save yourself.

Now that you're invested, I can't tell you to stop reading. I think of the last few books as tantamount to Godfather III. A comparatively awful movie, with the director's daughter thrown in to make an awful storyline even worse, but with just enough Michael Corleone to drag me back in every time it's on TV.
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You should read The Expanse series. It's written by two GRRM protégés. They publish a book a year and novella in between. It's the best space sci fi/opera done in years. I am purposefully a book behind so that I can read 3 and 4 together.
 
I rate the books as follows:

1) A Storm of Swords (Book 3)
2) A Dance with Dragons (Book 5)
3) A Clash of Kings (Book 2)
4) A Game of Thrones (Book 1)

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5) A Feast for Crows (Book 4)

I really like all the books but AFFC. I think the problems with AFFC are primarily the result of terrible editing. The book is too long for what happens in it, and he should have just stuck to the chronology instead of over-lapping ADWD and AFFC. It is not so much a bad book as I think that AFFC doesn't stand on its own in any way. It is just a lot of chapters mushed together that with better editing would have been about 300 pages less.

ADWD has some of the best scenes in the entire series. It also starts to tie the far flung plotlines together a little.
 
My girlfriends uncle is Frank Doelger, one of the main producers. Haven't met him yet though, lives in France but she already has this whole season on DVD bc he sends anyone in the family the DVDs at the beginning of the season.
 
Interesting episode. It would appear that the show is starting to give spoilers on the books.
 
The last scene was definitely a surprise for me. I would have thought the White Walkers would aim a little higher than recruiting third generation incest babies for their army of demons, but that is just me.
 
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It's unavoidable given the overlap in the final two books, but they appear to be accelerating certain events and inventing a few others.
 
Good episode. Interested to see how Jon's raid is going to turn out.
 
As a reader of the books, I am thoroughly confused on where they are going with a couple things. Not sure how I feel about it all yet, but I will say that it is nice to have a couple of surprises. Makes things a little more interesting.
 
Spartacus said:
That's preceisely what I was thinking during the last scene.
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There is some buzz about this now. Apparently HBO referred to the creature that turned the baby into a White Walker as "the Night King" on a website or something. Martin had never put the Night King in the books, or confirmed that such a creature even exists. I wonder if this is a subtle dig by HBO to encourage Martin to get his ass in gear and finish the next two books or HBO will release more spoilers on the books. Martin won't sell a ton of copies of a book that was already a TV show.
 
I have wondered about how long they could hold on to the main actors in the show as they become stars. A lot of the character actors like Charles Dance (Tywin), Stephan Dillane (Stannis) and Liam Cunningham (Davos) are not going anywhere. But a few of the actors have lead potential.

Emelia Clarke is short, but she is slated to be Sarah Conner in the next round of Terminators. If those gross $300MM+ as they probably will, she could become an A lister and be hard to hold onto.

Nicolaj Coster Waldau (Jaime) is close too. He was pretty good in Oblivion and could start getting major movie roles too.

Lena Headey will probably stick around because she has managed to get typecast as a swords and sandles queen character. Steady work, but not the kind that will ever make her an A lister.

Sophie Turner (Sansa) has the look and the talent to take Amanda Seyfried's bubblegum tween romance roles now that Seyfried is too old for them.

I read somewhere that Jack Gleeson (Joffrey) is going to retire. I think he is incredibly talented. He is too short to be a huge star, but he could make $5MM+ a year playing movie villains for the rest of his life. Malcolm McDowell did it.

Kit Harrington's (Jon Snow) Pompeii made me think of this post. Pompeii, which got terrible reviews, still grossed $85MM and counting, which is good enough to get him another crack at leading role in a studio film.

Other top shows have faced this, but GoT has a problem in that the actors can actually act. The Sopranos avoided this because outside of the two leads, the cast was either character actors or simply not that talented (see Robert Iler). What other roles are the guys who played Bobby Baccala or Vito Spatafore going to get? Outside of Jeremy Piven, Kevin Dillon and the guest stars, the cast of Entourage can't even act. I have been surprised that Shameless has been able to hold onto Emmy Rossum for this long.

It is interesting that Mad Men has held onto Jon Hamm so long, because he is a solid B list movie actor now. Friends seemed to stick together out of loyalty to each other, because Jennifer Aniston was already one of the biggest stars on the planet by the last few seasons of that show.
 
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