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Game of Thrones - Season 4

uconn_jack said:
Haven't read the books, and don't know (or want to know until subsequent episodes) what Tyrion's fate will be, but I hope they don't kill him off since he is the best character/actor on the show. I am just not sure how he gets out of it? Does the Mountain ultimately die too, leaving it a "draw" (although I would think that wouldn;t matter since Oberyn died first). Does Jaime man-up for his brother and confess to everyone that Joffery was his and not actually king (and therefore no regicide committed?). Loved Arrya's uncontrollable laughing.
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Not going to spoil it for you at all. But if you've watched the show you know that whatever happens it won't be what you expect!
 
By the way, I think Martin is deliberately dragging his feet on the books because he wants to do feature films instead. I think the feature films could go 2 directions. The most logical and interesting would be a prequel with Robert's Rebellion. That would actually work in a 1 or 2 part movie. Or Martin could just never finish the plot, get to the end of the HBO series in 7 or 8 seasons, and then keep going with movies.

Martin really has HBO by the short hairs right now. GoT is a monster hit on TV, is going to sweep the Emmys most likely, and HBO is at Martin's mercy for the remaining plot.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
By the way, I think Martin is deliberately dragging his feet on the books because he wants to do feature films instead. I think the feature films could go 2 directions. The most logical and interesting would be a prequel with Robert's Rebellion. That would actually work in a 1 or 2 part movie. Or Martin could just never finish the plot, get to the end of the HBO series in 7 or 8 seasons, and then keep going with movies.

Martin really has HBO by the short hairs right now. GoT is a monster hit on TV, is going to sweep the Emmys most likely, and HBO is at Martin's mercy for the remaining plot.
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I saw an interview with the two show runners, Weiss and Benioff, and they indicated that they know how Martin intends to end the series.

I think Martin is happy with his current level of success and lacks the motivation to work hard and keep writing. I hope he finishes the books on soon, but I wouldn't bet on it.
 
I'm about halfway through Dance with Dragons. I love how all these contenders for the Throne keep farting around while a zombie army marches on them from the North.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Martin really has HBO by the short hairs right now. GoT is a monster hit on TV, is going to sweep the Emmys most likely, and HBO is at Martin's mercy for the remaining plot.
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It is a monster hit. 18 mil for the last ep is an enormous audience. Love GOT, but it's not going to beat Breaking Bad @ the Emmy's, nor should it. I'll be very surprised if Cranston and Gunn don't win. Dinklage is the show's best hope.
 
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I don't believe Breaking Bad is eligible for the Emmys any more. I think the last Emmys incorporated the BB final season.
 
StoweD210 said:
At this point, GRRM is just F$@%ing with us, right?
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Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Eight books? Phenomenal. Just phenomenal.

This guy is going to single-handedly end publishers' ability to bilk fantasy readers through serialized novels. But he's making himself a multi-millionare in the process by hawking cook books and character quote books to his moronic fanbase. And now he's got HBO's far larger audience by the cajones too. Gotta love it.

Fatso is a true maestro.
 
The pov choice for the books is interesting but it doesn't lend itself well to telling such a intricate and lengthy story, plus he keeps on adding characters left and right and just when you expect main story lines to merge they surreptitiously diverge. I'm not sure but my guess is that he has written himself into tough spots on where the characters are/what they are doing to where he needs them to be to finish the story in a timely manner. If the TV show maintains this entertaining and straightforward approach they'll overtake the books in the next one/two seasons in some places.
 
BlueHen said:
I saw an interview with the two show runners, Weiss and Benioff, and they indicated that they know how Martin intends to end the series.

I think Martin is happy with his current level of success and lacks the motivation to work hard and keep writing. I hope he finishes the books on soon, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Yeah, I forget which magazine I read it in, but the producers didn't appear to be the slightest bit worried about the pace of the books and they were in lock step with Martin. There really is no crisis.
 
ZooCougar said:
Yeah, I forget which magazine I read it in, but the producers didn't appear to be the slightest bit worried about the pace of the books and they were in lock step with Martin. There really is no crisis.
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Would they indicate otherwise? Maybe there isn't a crisis TV-wise. It's possible HBO negotiated sufficient rights should Fatso not deliver, up to and including the right to finish the story any damn way that HBO wants. The only thing I am certain of is that Fatso is too lazy to keep up with the HBO show at this rate. The last HBO episode will not be based off the book.
 
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uconn_jack said:
Loved Arrya's uncontrollable laughing.
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And she clearly had no awareness that it was not an appropriate reaction. Right in front of all the guards of the city, no apology or attempt to cover her mouth or anything
 
ZooCougar said:
Yeah, I forget which magazine I read it in, but the producers didn't appear to be the slightest bit worried about the pace of the books and they were in lock step with Martin. There really is no crisis.
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Interesting, because we're pretty much only half way through the tv series. I don't know how the timing can't get screwed up eventually. The series will be done in 4 years; will the seventh book (of EIGHT) be anywhere close to done by then?
 
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Spartacus said:
Would they indicate otherwise? Maybe there isn't a crisis TV-wise. It's possible HBO negotiated sufficient rights should Fatso not deliver, up to and including the right to finish the story any damn way that HBO wants. The only thing I am certain of is that Fatso is too lazy to keep up with the HBO show at this rate. The last HBO episode will not be based off the book.
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My guess is that HBO has the rights it needs to finish the series, regardless of where Martin is with his book writing. Don't know this for a fact, just a guess.

HBO can't keep the cast under contract forever, and I don't see them wrapping up the series with a new cast for the last few seasons. You can't kill off or recast the entire ensemble.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't believe Breaking Bad is eligible for the Emmys any more. I think the last Emmys incorporated the BB final season.
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The last group of Breaking Bad episodes qualify. Per the Emmy rules, shows are eligible if they air between June 1, 2013 and May 31, 2014 (which encompasses the usual network season). The best shot for an upset is True Detective which is fresher in voters' minds.
 
Rocktheworld said:
Interesting, because we're pretty much only half way through the tv series. I don't know how the timing can't get screwed up eventually. The series will be done in 4 years; will the seventh book (of EIGHT) be anywhere close to done by then?
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Easy, they have the plot of the unpublished books already. There are more than enough ways to get it done.
 
HBO is going to pass the books, I think that is pretty much a given. I don't know what shenanigans Martin has in store, since he recently started talking about feature films, but if I was HBO, I would be a little worried about Martin engaging in some kind of extortion in a couple of years when HBO reaches the end of the books. I expect Martin to release the next book about this time next year, but the final book is 5 to 6 years away.
 
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This season has been so schizoid. But after last night, I expect most of the season finale to be King's Landing.
 
ZooCougar said:
Easy, they have the plot of the unpublished books already. There are more than enough ways to get it done.
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Well no but that means information in will have to be coming out well before the written material is published. They already apparently gave away something with the white walker transforming that baby
 
Rocktheworld said:
Well no but that means information in will have to be coming out well before the written material is published. They already apparently gave away something with the white walker transforming that baby
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This thing has totally flipped. Just like Iron Man or any comic that has been adapted for film, GoT has really become a TV show that has a series of books as the source material. Since way more people have watched the show versus actually reading the books, the the show has really established primacy. The writes of the show just have to stick to Fat Bastard's overall intent and they will avert crisis.
 
I cannot read this thread at all……I decided this weekend to give it a shot and watch an episode or 2 On Demand……okay I just finished #6 first season and I'm hooked………love it thus far!!
 
Ygritte's death is the only one that really got to me a little in the books and the show. Ned Stark was a self-righteous moron who had it coming, and Kaitlyn wasn't much better. As for Robb Stark, well, if someone ever does to my daughter what Stark did to Walder Frey's, that boy better stay away from any parties at my house. The Starks all pretty much had it coming.

I really liked the Ygritte character. She realized what a freakshow her wilding friends were, and was willing to do anything to get away from them, including betting her life on dopey Jon Snow. I have expressed elsewhere that choosing between Ygritte and fighting wilding hordes and ice zombies with the likes of Janos Slynt seemed like a pretty easy choice to me.

It got me thinking about another list. What are the most well-adjusted, normal, healthy romantic relationships in the show?

1) Jon/Ygritte - it says something about the books when the most healthy, loving relationship ends with the woman peppering the man with arrows and then she dies in his arms trying to kill all his friends. And this is #1 on my list. They did really love each other, and for a while were very happy with each other.

2) Renly/Loras - it says something about the books that this is #2. They loved each other, and were willing to do anything for each other, except for a threesome with Loras' sister.

3) Oberyn/Ellaria - lots of bisexual orgies, but they did seem to care about each other.

4) Ned/Kaitlyn - still banging into middle age, and they seemed to enjoy feeling morally superior to everyone else.

That's it. There are 4 healthy relationships in GoT, all of which end with at least one of the people dead, and all of which deserve a very large asterisk.

Who is #5? Joffrey and Sansa? Cersei and Jaime? Littlefinger and Lysa Arryn? Margaery and Tommen? Every other "romantic" relationship in the book is either abusive or exploitative. Freud would have a field day with Martin.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Ygritte's death is the only one that really got to me a little in the books and the show. Ned Stark was a self-righteous moron who had it coming, and Kaitlyn wasn't much better. As for Robb Stark, well, if someone ever does to my daughter what Stark did to Walder Frey's, that boy better stay away from any parties at my house. The Starks all pretty much had it coming.

I really liked the Ygritte character. She realized what a freakshow her wilding friends were, and was willing to do anything to get away from them, including betting her life on dopey Jon Snow. I have expressed elsewhere that choosing between Ygritte and fighting wilding hordes and ice zombies with the likes of Janos Slynt seemed like a pretty easy choice to me.

It got me thinking about another list. What are the most well-adjusted, normal, healthy romantic relationships in the show?

1) Jon/Ygritte - it says something about the books when the most healthy, loving relationship ends with the woman peppering the man with arrows and then she dies in his arms trying to kill all his friends. And this is #1 on my list. They did really love each other, and for a while were very happy with each other.

2) Renly/Loras - it says something about the books that this is #2. They loved each other, and were willing to do anything for each other, except for a threesome with Loras' sister.

3) Oberyn/Ellaria - lots of bis e xual orgies, but they did seem to care about each other.

4) Ned/Kaitlyn - still banging into middle age, and they seemed to enjoy feeling morally superior to everyone else.

That's it. There are 4 healthy relationships in GoT, all of which end with at least one of the people dead, and all of which deserve a very large asterisk.

Who is #5? Joffrey and Sansa? Cersei and Jaime? Littlefinger and Lysa Arryn? Margaery and Tommen? Every other "romantic" relationship in the book is either abusive or exploitative. Freud would have a field day with Martin.
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Jamie and Brienne
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brienne_of_Tarth
 
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Danny and Drogo was a good one. Tyrion and Shae was a little messed up from the start, since she was, you know, a prostitute. Neither completely trusted the other, and they did eventually go completely scorched earth on each other. Probably makes Top 10 though.

Brienne is still in the friend zone with Jaime. Until she breaks out, it does not qualify.

Gilly is so desperate that it is hard to tell where she stands, and Sam is so hard up the livestock are probably starting to look attractive. The chance of her coming out of a hell hole like Craster's Keep without being seriously messed up is close to zero. Sam even acknowledged as much, right before the ice zombies slaughtered his buddies in Season 2.
 
What about Robb Stark and Talisa? That's got to be #1 and you don't even have it listed. Truly fell for each other and he sacraficed a war because of it.
 
Most of the characters that are well adjusted seem to get killed off.
 
Man I can't get on this thread to post….start reading I don't want to…….all's I can say is I'm on Season 2 #1 tonight, maybe 2 also and it's good stuff……..I do want a baby dragon despite being 54 years old, I admit it…..now at least!
 
Deepster said:
What about Robb Stark and Talisa? That's got to be #1 and you don't even have it listed. Truly fell for each other and he sacraficed a war because of it.
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Valid point.
 
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