Game day thread

[80shusky]

Who has Ollie developed with any significance over the past few years? Why does the team always look like they have no idea what to do on offense? Why should I be happy about needing a late run to clip a team like Stony Brook at home? Why are you so willing to accept such mediocrity and seeing the same issues year after year?


I'm not saying that Ollie is a horrible person, I'm saying he's not a good coach. You can blame the players or the circumstances all you want, I just know I've watched the same sloppy, lackadaisical, offensively stagnant type of play for the last 3+ years, and I've yet to see any sign that things are going to change. Is it alright with you if I say that I don't like what I've seen over the last few years?

I was commenting on these players who other than Adams and Vital he could not really have had an opportunity to develop. The idea of coaches developing players is a bunch of hooey anyway. Players have ability or they don't. Players get better by playing with and against other good players other than just their natural ability showing anyway. Coaches can teach some fundamentals, can try to eliminate some bad habits but that is about it. Do you think Drummond is a good NBA player because of Calhoun? Or Ray, or Rip, or Donyell, or Rudy, or Caron, or Gordon, or Okafor? Or do you think perhaps they had great physical and basketball abilities to begin with? Coaches can maybe keep their head screwed on straight. Teach some discipline. Great coaches have had for the most part great players. Look at recent teams who have won the championship. With some notable exceptions they all have great physically talented players. Kentucky and Duke have the most talented young players in the country most years. Do they win the championship every year? Are they developing players or is the natural abilities of their recruits winning games for them? Is Calipari developing players in their one year? What coaches can do is play to the strengths of their team's abilities which you could cite as a criticism of Ollie. It would be subjective, but you could say it. But, did he play to his team's strengths when he beat Villanova, Florida, Michigan State and Kentucky on the way to the championship in 2014? Did he win against four great coaches because he had great ability on his team or coaching? Again subjective.

 

[Sky ball]

Oh yeah. Click on your name up top , click on profile and click on warning tab. Like this:

I have 4 warnings so you are a much bigger loser than me.

 

[NielsisGood]

I was commenting on these players who other than Adams and Vital he could not really have had an opportunity to develop. The idea of coaches developing players is a bunch of hooey anyway. Players have ability or they don't. Players get better by playing with and against other good players other than just their natural ability showing anyway. Coaches can teach some fundamentals, can try to eliminate some bad habits but that is about it. Do you think Drummond is a good NBA player because of Calhoun? Or Ray, or Rip, or Donyell, or Rudy, or Caron, or Gordon, or Okafor? Or do you think perhaps they had great physical and basketball abilities to begin with? Coaches can maybe keep their head screwed on straight. Teach some discipline. Great coaches have had for the most part great players. Look at recent teams who have won the championship. With some notable exceptions they all have great physically talented players. Kentucky and Duke have the most talented young players in the country most years. Do they win the championship every year? Are they developing players or is the natural abilities of their recruits winning games for them? Is Calipari developing players in their one year? What coaches can do is play to the strengths of their team's abilities which you could cite as a criticism of Ollie. It would be subjective, but you could say it. But, did he play to his team's strengths when he beat Villanova, Florida, Michigan State and Kentucky on the way to the championship in 2014? Did he win against four great coaches because he had great ability on his team or coaching? Again subjective.

Gave up reading halfway through because giant wall of text. Aside from Drummond I definitely think Calhoun played a big role in developing every other player you listed, both on and off the court.


Gilbert and Larrier have both been with the program for over a year, that's enough time to get to know their teammates and run practices, be taught some X's and O's, and be able to develop chemistry. But again I don't really lay the blame here on the players because it's Ollie's job to devise an offensive scheme and style of play, both of which KO does a poor job with.



If you feel the need to respond please try to space out your next post a bit so it reads better, and please keep in mind that my main issue is with Ollie, not the players.

 

[80shusky]

Gave up reading halfway through because giant wall of text. Aside from Drummond I definitely think Calhoun played a big role in developing every other player you listed, both on and off the court.


Gilbert and Larrier have both been with the program for over a year, that's enough time to get to know their teammates and run practices, be taught some X's and O's, and be able to develop chemistry. But again I don't really lay the blame here on the players because it's Ollie's job to devise an offensive scheme and style of play, both of which KO does a poor job with.



If you feel the need to respond please try to space out your next post a bit so it reads better, and please keep in mind that my main issue is with Ollie, not the players.

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[NielsisGood]

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Yeah, just anything that doesn't result in a giant brick of text addressed to me where you ramble about something completely different than what I was talking about in my previous post.


Thanks!

 

[joober jones]

She’s eating Arby’s in celebration of a 17-0 closing run. You should try it.

I went today. Tried the fried turkey club along with a pork belly sandwich, curly fries and a cherry turnover. It was heavenly.

 

[80shusky]

Yeah, just anything that doesn't result in a giant brick of text addressed to me where you ramble about something completely different than what I was talking about in my previous post.


Thanks!

By different do
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I'll try to improve
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You to read them so
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[superjohn]

Oh yeah. Click on your name up top , click on profile and click on warning tab. Like this:

I have 15 warning points.

 

[SouleMan]

Hey, they could have folded, so props there. I don't think KO is an execution focused, small details oriented coach. So many sloppy plays, no discipline, inconsistent effort.

There was an article in the preseason arguing Ollie focuses more on the details than Calhoun ever did.

Now does that translate to execution? We're still waiting to see.

 

[NielsisGood]

By different do
you mean commenting on my
structure of my posts

I'll try to improve
my use of the space bar to
make it easier for

You to read them so
that it is not a burden
for you so thank you

You didn't have to parrot me again champ. Just try to keep your next wall of text on topic and relevant to what I said, k?

 

[NielsisGood]

There was an article in the preseason arguing Ollie focuses more on the details than Calhoun ever did.

Now does that translate to execution? We're still waiting to see.

You can simply hear either guy talk for about 10 seconds and know that's not true.

 

[Paesano]

It was great that they won, and the 5 minute stretch at the end was encouraging. But the reality is that they got outplayed, AT HOME, by Stonybrook for 35 minutes. That is just plain ugly.

It is also great that they are 2-0 versus 0-2 but that is against teams that finished 220 and 270 in the Sagarin's last year compared to 159 and 245 for the teams we lost to last year. So there may be some improvement over last year's start but it may not be as big as one would guess simply by looking at the records.

Hopefully it gets better from here because, as of right now, it is very much a mixed bag.