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Gabby NPOY ?

This discussion seems to have gotten a little skewed. Earlier in the season we were all talking about the "core four", acknowledging that it was the way they all played together that made them great. And later, when Saniya showed she now belongs in the conversation too it was the "fab five".
I really doubt that the perception of this this team by most BY'ers has really changed very much from that view; of a number or exceptional individuals who have united to "form a more perfect union."
The difference is that we are now talking about individual awards, and except for championships there are no team awards to give this group. So the merits of each must be examined individually, but that does not/should not take away from the value of the other players.
I think that Gabby's unique overall talent has become more and more visible for a while now, and we have all recognized that. It's just that this game made her star shine brighter and impossible to overlook. It does not diminish the others in any way, but if, in the end, only one can be selected, she now has a great start at making her case.
 
Kaizen said:
I never said Gabby's offense is better than Plum.
I said if switch Gabby to Washington and Plum to UConn, Gabby will score more points than Plum.

Please read the complete post first.
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Play on words. She would not score more than Plum, but if that is what you think based on one game over 20 in a career vs someone that could end up first all-time (avg 30) than by all means. Lou is avg 20+ still after a few bad games while Gabby is at 13.
 
Putting aside the NPOY discussion , IMO an interesting topic is how Gabby stacks up head to head against the consensus AA's at her position namely Turner, Coates, Wilson and Jones. So here it is....WINS :Gabby 4 AA's O, PPG: Gabby 20.3 AA's 15.5 REBOUNDS: Gabby 11.7 AA's 11.3 (not bad for giving away an average of 5 inches) FG%: Gabby 49% AA's 54%( not bad when playing against trees) Assists: Gabby 5.0 AA's 2.3
STEALS: Gabby 3.0 AA's .8 BLOCKS : Gabby 2.1 AA's 1.8

You kind of get the picture that Gabby has outperformed the deemed AA bigs in aggregate in vitally every statistical category in head to head competition. AA voters : please take notice and put Ms Williams on your first team ballot
 
Hello Husky fans. Long time lurker, first time poster. Just couldn't sit it out on this thread. UConn is yet again a fantastic team with a bunch of very good players this year. I feel like many of you are too casually dismissing Kelsey Plum. I have a feeling you haven't seen her play at all this year. She has been truly phenomenal. She is much more than "just a scorer." She's currently averaging 5 assists and 5 rebounds (that's a healthy number for a 5-8 PG) per game, just under 2 steals, and is .006% on her FT away from being at the magical 50/40/90 line, which is quite an accomplishment. While she does score a lot she is very efficient and is not a ball hog, as the assist numbers indicate. I've often seen her go out of her way to try to involve teammates. Every team they've played all season has made stopping her priority #1, and nobody has come close to accomplishing it. Her season LOW is 22 pts. Only a handful of players across the country AVERAGE that many points, and that's her low mark. She really hasn't had a bad game all season. Think about that for a bit. What she's doing is remarkable, if you've seen it you can't help but be impressed by her. To me she is the runaway national POY, it's not even close. Gabby has been a good player throughout the season w/ a couple exceptional games. As several posters noted it's quite debatable if Williams is even UConn's POY, you can't discount what both Samuelson and Collier have done.

I'm Pacific NW born and raised, live in Seattle and have attended several UW games as well as watching most of them on Pac 12 Network, so I guess I'll have to admit I'm a bit of a homer. It's worth noting that your own Sue Bird is a big fan of Plum and has been attending some of the UW games. Sue has done a bit of mentoring w/ Kelsey, helping her prepare to take the next step in her basketball career. It's kind of a cool story I think.


Totally OT, but I had the privilege of seeing live an absolutely loaded UConn team totally dismantle UW back in the early 2000's, the very first game after Hec Ed was renovated. Coming off a Championship returning players such as Abrasimova, Ralph, Bird, Cash, Jones and Williams and adding a freshmen kid from California named Taurasi who turned out OK. I think it was D's first game of her college career. She came off the bench but I could tell right away she had a ton of potential.
 
rugbymate said:
Putting aside the NPOY discussion , IMO an interesting topic is how Gabby stacks up head to head against the consensus AA's at her position namely Turner, Coates, Wilson and Jones. So here it is...WINS :Gabby 4 AA's O, PPG: Gabby 20.3 AA's 15.5 REBOUNDS: Gabby 11.7 AA's 11.3 (not bad for giving away an average of 5 inches) FG%: Gabby 49% AA's 54%( not bad when playing against trees) Assists: Gabby 5.0 AA's 2.3
STEALS: Gabby 3.0 AA's .8 BLOCKS : Gabby 2.1 AA's 1.8

You kind of get the picture that Gabby has outperformed the deemed AA bigs in aggregate in vitally every statistical category in head to head competition. AA voters : please take notice and put Ms Williams on your first team ballot
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Great comparison. Am surprised Gabby's rebounds is better than other AAs.
 
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nwhoopfan said:
Hello Husky fans. Long time lurker, first time poster. Just couldn't sit it out on this thread. UConn is yet again a fantastic team with a bunch of very good players this year. I feel like many of you are too casually dismissing Kelsey Plum. I have a feeling you haven't seen her play at all this year. She has been truly phenomenal. She is much more than "just a scorer." She's currently averaging 5 assists and 5 rebounds (that's a healthy number for a 5-8 PG) per game, just under 2 steals, and is .006% on her FT away from being at the magical 50/40/90 line, which is quite an accomplishment. While she does score a lot she is very efficient and is not a ball hog, as the assist numbers indicate. I've often seen her go out of her way to try to involve teammates. Every team they've played all season has made stopping her priority #1, and nobody has come close to accomplishing it. Her season LOW is 22 pts. Only a handful of players across the country AVERAGE that many points, and that's her low mark. She really hasn't had a bad game all season. Think about that for a bit. What she's doing is remarkable, if you've seen it you can't help but be impressed by her. To me she is the runaway national POY, it's not even close. Gabby has been a good player throughout the season w/ a couple exceptional games. As several posters noted it's quite debatable if Williams is even UConn's POY, you can't discount what both Samuelson and Collier have done.

I'm Pacific NW born and raised, live in Seattle and have attended several UW games as well as watching most of them on Pac 12 Network, so I guess I'll have to admit I'm a bit of a homer. It's worth noting that your own Sue Bird is a big fan of Plum and has been attending some of the UW games. Sue has done a bit of mentoring w/ Kelsey, helping her prepare to take the next step in her basketball career. It's kind of a cool story I think.


Totally OT, but I had the privilege of seeing live an absolutely loaded UConn team totally dismantle UW back in the early 2000's, the very first game after Hec Ed was renovated. Coming off a Championship returning players such as Abrasimova, Ralph, Bird, Cash, Jones and Williams and adding a freshmen kid from California named Taurasi who turned out OK. I think it was D's first game of her college career. She came off the bench but I could tell right away she had a ton of potential.
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Welcome to the BY. Appreciate your insights, but would point out that most people on this board have praised Plum and in fact believe that she is the likely NPOY.

I have seen her play several times on the Pac12 network and she's terrific. If you watch every UConn game as many on the BY do, you will also see that Gabby is also a terrific basketball player who can do things on the court that no other WBB player can do, or has ever done.

IMO Plum will win most NPOY awards, but Gabby is right behind her and may earn 1 or 2 herself.
 
nwhoopfan said:
Hello Husky fans. Long time lurker, first time poster. Just couldn't sit it out on this thread. UConn is yet again a fantastic team with a bunch of very good players this year. I feel like many of you are too casually dismissing Kelsey Plum. I have a feeling you haven't seen her play at all this year. She has been truly phenomenal. She is much more than "just a scorer." She's currently averaging 5 assists and 5 rebounds (that's a healthy number for a 5-8 PG) per game, just under 2 steals, and is .006% on her FT away from being at the magical 50/40/90 line, which is quite an accomplishment. While she does score a lot she is very efficient and is not a ball hog, as the assist numbers indicate. I've often seen her go out of her way to try to involve teammates.
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Welcome to the BY NWhoopfan.
I have been to both Seattle, love the city, and Spokane to see the Zags. Both are great basketball towns.
I agree with all you posted on Plum.
The part I hilighted in red about her not being a ball hog, I agree.
Except, I thought in the Stanford game, the game where the Cardinal came back from down 18, had Plum been more of a ball hog, just in that game, I think the Huskies win. It seemed she was trying too hard to get the ball to Osahor and Collier, especially in the 2nd half that the fumbles by both, turning the ball over, may have cost them the game.
I had also mentioned in an earlier post that after an amazing game by a player, things need to be put into perspective before saying the player is POY.
Welcome again and Washington Huskies and UConn Huskies are distant cousins.

Just curious are there other Husky teams out there?
 
chrissaran said:
ericsandiego, how about Gabby's explosion on the boards, on shut-down D, on assists, on steals, and on grit. You just want to look at offensive numbers. As everyone know, UConn's D is what fuels their teams. It wasn't UConn's offense that won Monday's game, it was the defense. Gabby was the fuel that fed the fire that burned SC down.
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I don't now how many different ways I need to say it - I FEEL GABBY SHOULD BE AN AA. In my mind she should be 2nd team AA. That's my opinion. But I totally agree with you - she is a great player who does a TON of things for the team when on the court.

However, I do not believe that VOTERS who actually have a say (I do not) would vote for her as an AA if the voting were held today. They give a TON of weight to reputation, cachet, who's a "name" brand, and most importantly to PPG. At 13 PPG, Gabby falls way short. In fact, someone posted Gabby's stats compared to Osahor - Chantel has more PPG by 2.5, RPB (almost double), and slightly less APG than Gabby, but I don't hear people on her going on and on about her. ;)
 
Thanks for the warm BY welcome. I certainly don't mean to take anything away from Williams, it is remarkable what she does as a 5-11 post player. I think maybe most impressive of all is her playmaking. For a non primary ballhandler to rack up that many assists is rarely seen.

I was at the Stanford game (and recorded it and watched it again later), totally agree Plum needed to be more selfish that game. It was an anomaly, but her teammates just could not make the ball go in the bucket. I'd have to double check but I think the other starters were a combined 2-25 from the field and the entire team other than Plum was 6-37. You just don't see that kind of futility. Stanford had a good game plan and was playing tough D, but they weren't that good. Just an ice cold shooting night.

As far as other Huskies, Northeastern and Northern Illinois are both Huskies.

Osahor is a treat to watch as well. Such a unique player. UW is gonna be VERY different next year w/out their dynamic duo.
 
I find it interesting how people are saying no way can Gabulous be NPOY despite what she has done for this team the past three years and especially this season, but claim that Stevens despite not playing in an actual game for a year and having never played in one for UConn and as a recruit was ranked below Gabby is a candidate for NPOY next season. Like I said earlier: people are obsessed with new shiny things.
 
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I think many are being affected by "recency bias" in the extreme here. Gabby comes up big in one big game, has her best game ever, and all of a sudden it will be a crime if voters don't anoint her NPOY. Plum already has this locked down so tightly that she'll get most or all of the POY awards even if she gets hurt and doesn't play another minute all year.

The Gabby frenzy will last until our next game when Lou scores 30 and there will be 12 threads about how she could be NPOY 3 straight years. But only until the next game after that when Pheesa has a 25/10/5 game and we think she is the obvious shoo-in choice.

I think Gabby will make WBCA AA next year and get on the HOH wall.
 
j66kicker said:
I think many are being affected by "recency bias" in the extreme here. Gabby comes up big in one big game, has her best game ever, and all of a sudden it will be a crime if voters don't anoint her NPOY. Plum already has this locked down so tightly that she'll get most or all of the POY awards even if she gets hurt and doesn't play another minute all year.

The Gabby frenzy will last until our next game when Lou scores 30 and there will be 12 threads about how she could be NPOY 3 straight years. But only until the next game after that when Pheesa has a 25/10/5 game and we think she is the obvious shoo-in choice.

I think Gabby will make WBCA AA next year and get on the HOH wall.
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I don't think it's just us boneyarders that think Gabby is one of the best players in the country. She's receiving lots of praise and attention from folks whose livelihood is reporting on college basketball - and that was before the South Carolina game.
 
HoopsFan21 said:
I don't think it's just us boneyarders that think Gabby is one of the best players in the country. She's receiving lots of praise and attention from folks whose livelihood is reporting on college basketball - and that was before the South Carolina game.
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Gabby is by far my favorite player, but "receiving lots of praise and attention" doesn't equate to POY. Just don't think it's realistic. If I'm wrong I'll be overjoyed.
 
While NPOY is still something of a stretch for Gabby, I will be shocked if she doesn't earn 1st team AA honors for one or more AA team this season.
 
The thing is Gabby's game meshes so well with Collier's and the 2 of them fit perfectly with KLS that trying to pick one out of the three is impossible. They are all at the top of their positions and the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
 
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ericsandiego said:
Wilson isn't a favorite for any post season "awards" this year. She's somewhere in the mix for 2nd team AA. As for Gabby, she had a great game. She's often the best player on the floor, but she's been too inconsistent. If you expect Gabby to be 1st team AA this year, my bet is you will be disappointed. I do believe KLS and Napheesa are worthy of 1st team AA honors. And I love Gabby, but she's not deserving of 1st team AA as of today. Average 25 PPG the rest of the season and thru the AAC tourney and maybe that will change.
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This line of thinking is the problem, Gabby has been the best player on this team without question but you think her two teamates are more deserving. Nonsense.
KLS had no impact against SC because she wasnt scoring, Gabby impacts the game in so many ways its silly. The notion that there are players on this team above her is laughable. I also dont see her inconsistencies, she doesnt look for her offense, even though she can score at will on most nights becaus most cant handle her athleticism.The most feared post players in America by most had no answers.. She is content to defend and board and be a great point-forward.
 
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tony yusef said:
This line of thinking is the problem, Gabby has been the best player on this team without question but you think her two teamates are more deserving. Nonsense.
KLS had no impact against SC because she wasnt scoring, Gabby impacts the game in so many ways its silly. The notion that there are players on this team above her is laughable. I also dont see her inconsistencies, she doesnt look for her offense, even though she can score at will on most nights becaus most cant handle her athleticism.The most feared post players in America by most had no answers.. She is content to defend and board and be a great point-forward.
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Why nonsense? We have 3 terrific players with POY credentials. Gabby has been special most of the year and was extraordinary against ND & SC. KLS has been special most of the year and was extraordinary against @MD. Napheesa has been extraordinary since the start of the season @ FSU and has not had a bad game since. A POY case can be made for each but is not necessary because Kelsey Plum has been more extraordinary.
 
I think Gabby is one of the best players in the nation, but if anyone has watched Plum play they realize that she has special basketball talent, especially scoring, that is pretty rare. If she sets the record for the most points scored in a college career and isn't named POY I will be shocked.

Plum is this year's Jackie Stiles. I don't know if Stiles was named POY her senior year but she would have gotten my vote.
 
easttexastrash said:
I think Gabby is one of the best players in the nation, but if anyone has watched Plum play they realize that she has special basketball talent, especially scoring, that is pretty rare. If she sets the record for the most points scored in a college career and isn't named POY I will be shocked.

Plum is this year's Jackie Stiles. I don't know if Stiles was named POY her senior year but she would have gotten my vote.
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Ruth Riley was 2001 NPOY when Stiles was a senior, the year Notre Dame beat TASSK Force
 
Sort of hoping for a game between the Huskies and the Huskies, maybe in the regionals in Bridgeport. While Gabby would likely guard Oshahor, Geno just might move her over to guard Plum for a spell. While Plum has faced some solid defenders in the Pac12, I guarantee you she's never faced anyone like Gabby.
 
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CocoHusky said:
Why nonsense? We have 3 terrific players with POY credentials. Gabby has been special most of the year and was extraordinary against ND & SC. KLS has been special most of the year and was extraordinary against @MD. Napheesa has been extraordinary since the start of the season @ FSU and has not had a bad game since. A POY case can be made for each but is not necessary because Kelsey Plum has been more extraordinary.
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It's nonsense to suggest that there are players on this team more deserving of AA honors than her. Not sure what you're responding to, but any post season awards on this team starts with Gabby. She impacts the game in ways the other two can't, she has become the leader of this team, her intangibles are off the charts which seperates her from her two gifted teamates.imo



but is not necessary beca
 
ericsandiego said:
I don't now how many different ways I need to say it - I FEEL GABBY SHOULD BE AN AA. In my mind she should be 2nd team AA. That's my opinion. But I totally agree with you - she is a great player who does a TON of things for the team when on the court.

However, I do not believe that VOTERS who actually have a say (I do not) would vote for her as an AA if the voting were held today. They give a TON of weight to reputation, cachet, who's a "name" brand, and most importantly to PPG. At 13 PPG, Gabby falls way short. In fact, someone posted Gabby's stats compared to Osahor - Chantel has more PPG by 2.5, RPB (almost double), and slightly less APG than Gabby, but I don't hear people on her going on and on about her. ;)
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I agree about reputation and cachet. I do think with my UCONN bias that three players should wind up being in the top 10 all-american. IMO Gabby, Lou and Collier should be in the drivers seat or should be to be in that top 10.

And IMO Gabby's advanced stats are better than Osahor. Though I agree Osahor is a fine player. Oshaor's efg% vs Gabby's are right next to each other Gabby has slight advantage. Gabby passes better. Gabby has more blocks. Gabby has more steals. Osahor may average more ppg but on a per minuet average it is 18.95 ppg vs 18.65.

IMO Gabby has the edge here. They average nearly identical points on a per minute basis with an efficiency of the same while Osaohor is the better rebounder, Gabby is the better passer. And IMO Gabby's better defender- can use blocks and steals as an indicator.
 
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DaddyChoc said:
Ruth Riley was 2001 NPOY when Stiles was a senior, the year Notre Dame beat TASSK Force
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I think most of us BYers have put an asterisk next to that as both Shea Ralph and Svet Abrosimova both suffered year ending injuries before the final four. Plus "K" was no longer on the team.
 
DefenseBB said:
I think most of us BYers have put an asterisk next to that as both Shea Ralph and Svet Abrosimova both suffered year ending injuries before the final four. Plus "K" was no longer on the team.
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oh well... we can put asterick next to a lot of stuff BUT Ruth Riley name will be forever engraved in that 2001 trophy
 
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