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What do you see as the pecking order for current G6 schools/UConn in terms of getting an invite to either the Big 12 or ACC?

Among the current G6 schools, which ones offer more value than their current conferences pay out? (So we are looking at moving from one G6 conference to another G6 conference that might pay more). To me, it seems like CUSA is at the bottom of the pecking order, the MAC, new Mountain West and Sun Belt follow, with the new PAC-12 and AAC on top.

Will more CUSA teams leave for greener pastures? WKU and MTSU might have some value, and Delaware is just on an island out there by itself. Will anything come of the Ohio University to the Sun Belt talk? Toledo was previously mentioned as a target of the Mountain West, will anything come of that? Will the PAC-12 be able to pick up UNLV or Air Force after the next MW media rights contract ends? Will the loss of UCF, Cincinnati, Houston, and SMU hurt the next AAC media rights contract so much that they fall back on par with other G6 conference payouts, thus making those schools more susceptible to a raid?

What G6 schools in current G6 conferences add value to other G6 conferences and might be seen as an expansion target?
 
I was thinking about G6 conferences after recent moves of Tejas State from Sunbelt to PAC and Louisiana Tech from C-USA to Sunbelt. That seems to be the pecking order. Geography aside, I suppose it might be a good move for Texas State because of the PAC brand and all members being large "State" univerisities, but leaving a southeast conference for a west coast conference seems like a bad move. Same for Norther Illinois.

I think CR has a case of "the grass is always greener." UConn & USF should be the biggest P4 targets and would add value to any other G6 conference
 
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With rumors of some of the MAC schools wanting to change conferences. It proves just how wildly unpopular of those MACtion games are mid week in November. Can you imagine attending a game on a Tuesday night in mid November at the Rent. You would have to depart early from work, rush to the stadium, set up your tailgate in the dark, watch the game, drive home, and then go to work the next day. Those midweek games on ESPN are just not worth the exposure.
 
The teams that are not SEC or B1G will get relegated much less favorable time slots in the future...(ND excluded from that caution)...ESPN is all in on the SEC and says as much about their prime property...FOX as well with the B1G.
 
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uconntailgater said:
With rumors of some of the MAC schools wanting to change conferences. It proves just how wildly unpopular of those MACtion games are mid week in November. Can you imagine attending a game on a Tuesday night in mid November at the Rent. You would have to depart early from work, rush to the stadium, set up your tailgate in the dark, watch the game, drive home, and then go to work the next day. Those midweek games on ESPN are just not worth the exposure.
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Don’t forget that any night in November in CT would be uncomfortably cold, even in this warming climate. They are dealing with that in Ohio, Michigan etc. in the MAC. I’m at the point in my life where I’d probably pass on going to those games given the cold and darkness.

When I was 25, no problem. Now I prefer a nice dinner, cocktails, a couch and a comically large tv at home.
 
I think Cal and Stanford should be in Big Ten.
Wake, SMU, UCF demoted to G(whatever).
Cincinnati, Louisville, Houston, Memphis belong in the same Gwhatever conference. Potentially also demote Pitt and Syracuse to this “city” conference.
UConn, West Virginia, and Tulane belong in the ACC.
Call it a day
 
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uconntailgater said:
With rumors of some of the MAC schools wanting to change conferences. It proves just how wildly unpopular of those MACtion games are mid week in November. Can you imagine attending a game on a Tuesday night in mid November at the Rent. You would have to depart early from work, rush to the stadium, set up your tailgate in the dark, watch the game, drive home, and then go to work the next day. Those midweek games on ESPN are just not worth the exposure.
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I know a UMass fb player parent. The consensus is they absolutely hate it.
 
noeynox said:
I know a UMass fb player parent. The consensus is they absolutely hate it.
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I am going to the Bowling Green game the day before Thanksgiving because I am certain that no one will be there.
 
Fishy said:
I am going to the Bowling Green game the day before Thanksgiving because I am certain that no one will be there.
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Why not just go to Boston College game and save the airfare?
 
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CL82 said:
Why not just go to Boston College game and save the airfare?
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It’s at UMass.

It is my contention that that it will be the least attended FBS game ever.
 
noeynox said:
I know a UMass fb player parent. The consensus is they absolutely hate it.
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...and yet some dimwits here think we should have gone MAC football only, in order to "play for something"

Yeah - play to be the degenerate game of week on a Tuesday night in November. Awesome.
 
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Tulane
USF
Oregon St
Washington St
Memphis
Liberty
Coastal Carolina
ECU
App St
UConn
 
I think our Big 12 window has closed. Regardless of the fact that all these decisions are made by people have an overly inflated sense of self worth for their college programs, they will not deem us worthy of inclusion no matter how successful our teams are. I predict that we are going to be in the ACC by 2032 or 2033. With UNC making overtures now to go with Clemson and Fla. State. they will need to bring us in when everyone leaves for greener pastures... and they will leave. Listened to ACC Locked on sports and it was hosted by the bottom tier programs and they think it is a forgone conclusion that they leave.

I think what Memphis and SMU did has really screwed up our chances now that the bar for membership has been set.
 
UC1995 said:
I think our Big 12 window has closed. Regardless of the fact that all these decisions are made by people have an overly inflated sense of self worth for their college programs, they will not deem us worthy of inclusion no matter how successful our teams are. I predict that we are going to be in the ACC by 2032 or 2033. With UNC making overtures now to go with Clemson and Fla. State. they will need to bring us in when everyone leaves for greener pastures... and they will leave. Listened to ACC Locked on sports and it was hosted by the bottom tier programs and they think it is a forgone conclusion that they leave.

I think what Memphis and SMU did has really screwed up our chances now that the bar for membership has been set.
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If we're going to the ACC, it will probably be sooner than that. At least, the announcement.
 
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I asked ChatGPT to create a 24 team super conference of the best football teams not in the power conferences, break it down geographically, while keeping the service academies together. Here is what it gave me:



West Division (Mountain & Pacific)​


  • Oregon State
  • Washington State
  • Boise State
  • UNLV
  • San Diego State
  • Fresno State
  • Wyoming
  • Colorado State


Central Division (Service Academy Division)​


  • Air Force ⭐
  • Army ⭐
  • Navy ⭐
  • Memphis
  • Tulane
  • Louisiana (ULL)
  • UTSA
  • Liberty


East Division (Great Lakes & Atlantic)​


  • Northern Illinois
  • Toledo
  • Miami (OH)
  • Ohio
  • James Madison
  • East Carolina
  • Western Kentucky
  • USF


✅ Why This Works


  • Air Force, Army, and Navy together create a unique “Service Academy” identity in the Central Division.
  • The Central also includes southern programs (Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, Liberty) that are geographically reasonable for inter-division play.
  • The East consolidates the Ohio schools, JMU, and USF, while the West remains Mountain/Pacific heavy.
 
Rufus said:
I asked ChatGPT to create a 24 team super conference of the best football teams not in the power conferences, break it down geographically, while keeping the service academies together. Here is what it gave me:



West Division (Mountain & Pacific)​


  • Oregon State
  • Washington State
  • Boise State
  • UNLV
  • San Diego State
  • Fresno State
  • Wyoming
  • Colorado State


Central Division (Service Academy Division)​


  • Air Force ⭐
  • Army ⭐
  • Navy ⭐
  • Memphis
  • Tulane
  • Louisiana (ULL)
  • UTSA
  • Liberty


East Division (Great Lakes & Atlantic)​


  • Northern Illinois
  • Toledo
  • Miami (OH)
  • Ohio
  • James Madison
  • East Carolina
  • Western Kentucky
  • USF


✅ Why This Works


  • Air Force, Army, and Navy together create a unique “Service Academy” identity in the Central Division.
  • The Central also includes southern programs (Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, Liberty) that are geographically reasonable for inter-division play.
  • The East consolidates the Ohio schools, JMU, and USF, while the West remains Mountain/Pacific heavy.
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Chat GPT hates UConn.
 
If it expanded to 30, it added:

Marshall
Middle Tennessee
Appalachian State
Western Michigan
Florida Atlantic
Georgia Southern
 

Why UConn Was Not Included​


1️⃣ On-Field Performance​


  • UConn football has struggled significantly in the last decade:
    • Multiple losing seasons.
    • Minimal bowl appearances.
    • Low SP+ and FPI rankings compared to teams like James Madison, Liberty, or even MAC powers like Toledo.


2️⃣ Basketball vs. Football Identity​


  • UConn is a basketball school first, dominating men’s and women’s hoops.
  • Football has not been a priority at the same level as other G‑5 schools pushing for CFP access.


3️⃣ Market Value vs. Football Value​


  • While UConn provides a Northeast market, its football TV draw is limited because of poor performance.
  • Teams like Marshall, Appalachian State, and Liberty have smaller markets but much stronger football brands.


4️⃣ If They Improved​


If UConn invested heavily in football (new coach, facilities, recruiting), they could be an East Division candidate in future expansions because:


  • Geographic fit with Army, Navy, Ohio schools, and USF.
  • Potential TV market boost from the Northeast.


Verdict:
For now, UConn would be in the "Tier 3 expansion pool" (teams 31–35) alongside programs like Buffalo, Georgia State, and Coastal Carolina.
 
I then asked ChatGPT to create a 24-team Super Conference of the worst football teams not in the P5, and it included UConn!

Here is what it gave me:

Conference Structure
We could split them into 4 divisions of 6 teams each to minimize travel:


East​


  • UConn
  • UMass
  • Charlotte
  • FIU
  • Akron
  • Kent State

Midwest​


  • Bowling Green
  • Ball State
  • Eastern Michigan
  • Central Michigan
  • Rice
  • Sam Houston

South​


  • ULM
  • Texas State
  • Georgia State
  • Arkansas State
  • Jacksonville State
  • Kennesaw State

West​


  • Hawaii
  • Nevada
  • New Mexico
  • UTEP
  • New Mexico State
  • San Jose State
 
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