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But to be fair, UConn spends a ton of money on a lot of worthless programs that have zero return. They could save $4M very easily by cutting a lot of fluff.
“Return” should never be solely measured in dollars. And what’s worthless to us has value to others. $4M in the university/state budget (I consider them semi-interchangeable) is nothing.
 
Solution: Build a 15,000 seat on campus facility. Call it Gampel XL or whatever you want. Something that seats 4-5,000 more than Gampel would be the perfect size. I will contend that the same fans that can’t be bothered to drive 25 minutes more to Storrs are the same fans who won’t stand up and cheer. Last night’s crowd was mediocre at best, it was not even close to the atmosphere of the Xavier game at Gampel. I was at both and they were night and day. If you can’t be bothered to drive to Storrs after working late at your white collared insurance job in Hartford, just go watch at a bar in Hartford instead.

Good God, this nonstop nonsense comparing the two arenas is silly, inaccurate and short sited

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and the crowd was great last night
 
If the Xavier or Villanova games were 20 point leads in the first half, it would be the same noise level.
Totally agree…..I first thought the crowd was not up to standards but it was the nature of going up early and staying up early which resulted in a steady cheer throughout the game….the Villanova game was closer and every bucket was big down the stretch and then it was louder on every hoop and defensive stop. And with Xavier, the second half was as loud as ever but that was because they were down 17 and cut lead to one….every hoop and stop in second half was so electric!

So it’s the flow of the game that defines the crowd noise usually.
 
But to be fair, UConn spends a ton of money on a lot of worthless programs that have zero return. They could save $4M very easily by cutting a lot of fluff.
Just wondering what you're referring to. We had $10m of cuts at my school for the entire college and the cuts were extremely painful. There's very little that's fungible in these budgets especially with huge chunks of money going to benefits like medical insurance. It's like $25k per employee now.
 
“Return” should never be solely measured in dollars. And what’s worthless to us has value to others. $4M in the university/state budget (I consider them semi-interchangeable) is nothing.
$4M cut is not nothing. Entire departments exist on less than that.
 
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See, now that’s a little too heavy handed. Saying if you cut our budget, we won’t play Hartford has a little too much of an extortion feel. Instead, I would rather see her talk about the fact that the cost to UConn for the use of the facilities is dramatically above fair market, and in a climate where our budget is being cut, we really can’t afford it. It’s a little more subtle and less confrontational.
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Lol, it’s like Stephanie has been reading my Boneyard posts. By the way I think she may be missing a facility fee as well.

This conversation is well overdue. Playing at the XL center is a money loser for us for all but the biggest games, and even those are only breakeven. If the legislature wants us to continue to play in Hartford, the lease deal needs to be re-negotiated. I wondered if that would be on the table once Toscano was built until we had a place to play our hockey games we really didn’t have much leverage. That’s changed now.

The CDRA continues to lose millions of dollars even with the $4 million a year the University provides to them. Charging exorbitant lease fees has only served to hide a portion of their ineptitude. It’s time for that to change.

The easy solution is to renegotiate the XL deal so that the university makes the same amount of profit whether games are held at Gampel or at the XL. Propping up the Hartford economy shouldn’t come out of the athletic department budget.
LOL. Public statements are great, but she has no leverage. Is she daring Ned to say pull out of Hartford and we'll cut your budget another $160 large?
 
$4M cut is not nothing. Entire departments exist on less than that.
I guess my point is that we/UConn should just not cut and spend the $4M. State budget just got unveiled today. Over $50B. Just pony up $4M Ned.
 
This is an enormous part of the issue.

I was working in Hartford a Quarter century ago and sat in on a few meetings (a few if the larger businesses were invited for discussions) when the Whalers left.

One thing that bothered the hell out of me then (still irritates me) was the recommendation by the bulk of the business owners that UConn play more (some suggested all) home games at the Civic Center. For the record I like the idea of playing some games in Hartford but it wouldn't bother me if we ended up playing nearly all games on campus (we would need a larger facility). My gripe is the belief that UConn's athletic departments are responsible for the economic health of Hartford hospitality businesses. Hartford needs to find a way to succeed on its own with UConn being a bonus when they play there.
Exactly. UConns main campus is located in Storrs Connecticut. Why wouldn’t UConn be more concerned about the well being of their campus and college town? Unless the only reason the AD can run a massive deficit is an agreement to stimulate business in the state capital, but if that’s true, why is the school even pretending they have leverage?
 
LOL. Public statements are great, but she has no leverage. Is she daring Ned to say pull out of Hartford and we'll cut your budget another $160 large?
Lol, were he to do that who would win the battle for public opinion?
 
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See, now that’s a little too heavy handed. Saying if you cut our budget, we won’t play Hartford has a little too much of an extortion feel. Instead, I would rather see her talk about the fact that the cost to UConn for the use of the facilities is dramatically above fair market, and in a climate where our budget is being cut, we really can’t afford it. It’s a little more subtle and less confrontational.
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Lol, it’s like Stephanie has been reading my Boneyard posts. By the way I think she may be missing a facility fee as well.

This conversation is well overdue. Playing at the XL center is a money loser for us for all but the biggest games, and even those are only breakeven. If the legislature wants us to continue to play in Hartford, the lease deal needs to be re-negotiated. I wondered if that would be on the table once Toscano was built until we had a place to play our hockey games we really didn’t have much leverage. That’s changed now.

The CDRA continues to lose millions of dollars even with the $4 million a year the University provides to them. Charging exorbitant lease fees has only served to hide a portion of their ineptitude. It’s time for that to change.

The easy solution is to renegotiate the XL deal so that the university makes the same amount of profit whether games are held at Gampel or at the XL. Propping up the Hartford economy shouldn’t come out of the athletic department budget.
I agree, the Hartford deal needs to be reworked and the CRDA needs to be sent packing.
Having said that, dramatics aside, what is she thinking? We were told that our Priority Points, accumulated over many decades in some cases, would basically become worthless and be replaced by Seats for Life, as long as one kept paying the escalating donation/ticket price; now the President of UConn threatens to take all those XL seats away. Great way to treat customers, lol
 
For those here who are less concerned with the economics and more focused on the basketball brand, consider this: UConn basketball and the brand as we currently know it would not exist without the Hartford (now XL) Civic Center. The University would never have been invited to join the original Big East without the Civic Center, as the main idea of the original league was to get institutions with access to major markets and large arenas. You can also debate whether we would have been asked back into the New Big East if we were only playing at Gampel. So before you trash XL and our capital city, think about that.
 
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Just wondering what you're referring to. We had $10m of cuts at my school for the entire college and the cuts were extremely painful. There's very little that's fungible in these budgets especially with huge chunks of money going to benefits like medical insurance. It's like $25k per employee now.
Probably like 30-40% of the entire Liberal Arts department. Serves no useful purpose.
 
For those here who are less concerned with the economics and more focused on the basketball brand, consider this: UConn basketball and the brand as we currently know it would not exist without the Hartford (now XL) Civic Center. The University would never have been invited to join the original Big East without the Civic Center, as the main idea of the original league was to get institutions with access to major markets and large arenas. You can also debate whether we would have been asked back into the New Big East if we were only playing at Gampel. So before you trash XL and our capital city, think about that.

We should go back to using whale blubber for lamps since we wouldn't have light without it.

Live in the past or look towards the future. Put your post on a plaque and hologram showing UConn highlights downtown commemorating the HCC.
 
That’s great if you live there. I only go to Hartford for UConn games. I did go there to protest the state income tax when it was proposed. The rest of your list I have much closer to home and better offerings. Zero reason to drive to Hartford.
Liar. You don’t have better offerings where you live. I don’t live in Hartford. Something tells me the same person protesting income taxes is also scared of cities. For whatever reason. Did you crawl out of Andover or Killingly to go to Hartford to protest the presidential election results too?
 
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before you trash XL and our capital city, think about that.
I did think about it and concluded there’s not a shred of evidence that supports myriad of assertions in your statement. And now that I did think about it, let me say that the XL was an interesting concept that didn’t really pan out and long outlived its useful life to the point that pretty much the only glimmer of life there is holding UConn as a captive tenant, and an occasional Barney on Ice Spectacular.
 
. I only go to Hartford for UConn games. I did go there to protest the state income tax when it was proposed.
Please tell me you were part of the mob that chased little white car through the capital and out the emergency tunnel into Bushnell Park. I have never been more proud of my home state.
 
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For those here who are less concerned with the economics and more focused on the basketball brand, consider this: UConn basketball and the brand as we currently know it would not exist without the Hartford (now XL) Civic Center. The University would never have been invited to join the original Big East without the Civic Center, as the main idea of the original league was to get institutions with access to major markets and large arenas. You can also debate whether we would have been asked back into the New Big East if we were only playing at Gampel. So before you trash XL and our capital city, think about that.
Civic center served a purpose from it’s opening to around 2010ish. Not anymore. Either fix it or knock it down.
 
Horrible idea. Alienating half the fan base and capping the number of people who can go to games is not going to work out.
Did u really just write that a college asking to play most of its college basketball games on its college campus would be alienating to fans? Not sure if people actually are aware that many schools surprisingly pull this off.
 
Exactly. UConns main campus is located in Storrs Connecticut. Why wouldn’t UConn be more concerned about the well being of their campus and college town? Unless the only reason the AD can run a massive deficit is an agreement to stimulate business in the state capital, but if that’s true, why is the school even pretending they have leverage?
Urban problems don't stop at urban borders.
 
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See, now that’s a little too heavy handed. Saying if you cut our budget, we won’t play Hartford has a little too much of an extortion feel. Instead, I would rather see her talk about the fact that the cost to UConn for the use of the facilities is dramatically above fair market, and in a climate where our budget is being cut, we really can’t afford it. It’s a little more subtle and less confrontational.
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Lol, it’s like Stephanie has been reading my Boneyard posts. By the way I think she may be missing a facility fee as well.

This conversation is well overdue. Playing at the XL center is a money loser for us for all but the biggest games, and even those are only breakeven. If the legislature wants us to continue to play in Hartford, the lease deal needs to be re-negotiated. I wondered if that would be on the table once Toscano was built until we had a place to play our hockey games we really didn’t have much leverage. That’s changed now.

The CDRA continues to lose millions of dollars even with the $4 million a year the University provides to them. Charging exorbitant lease fees has only served to hide a portion of their ineptitude. It’s time for that to change.

The easy solution is to renegotiate the XL deal so that the university makes the same amount of profit whether games are held at Gampel or at the XL. Propping up the Hartford economy shouldn’t come out of the athletic department budget.
Have the women play all games at Gampel and keep the mens as is in hartford. That should save some money. 6 womens games saves the school $400k
 
While I’m not exactly an XL fan, I do believe in the value of having a modern arena in the capitol city as is done everywhere else in the country.

UConn currently has two arenas that are enthusiastic and loud…and operational nightmares on game day. It’s got to be fixed. But it also should not be at the end of a shotgun just to support Max downtown.

The terms UConn has are completely insane and unlike those anywhere else in the sport. They serve the CRDAs interest and hurt UConn, who is the only real tenant of note. It’s dumb!
 
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Just build a 15k seat arena on campus for 250 mil when we can’t fund a golf team.
Well, when 15,000 people are going to sit in the arena to watch people putt then maybe will be able to find funding for the sport.
 
Did u really just write that a college asking to play most of its college basketball games on its college campus would be alienating to fans? Not sure if people actually are aware that many schools surprisingly pull this off.
It absolutely would. We live in CT. People aren't driving 1.5 hours to go to a game. The current distribution of games is fair: half at Gampel, half at XL. Plenty of other Big East schools do this as well.
 
IIRC, chief00 has a term for those fans who would drive to Hartford but not Storrs...

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Why is it UConns problem if Bars in Hartford make money?

The point is that UConn basketball in Hartford is an economic driver. Bars pay taxes, restaurants pay taxes, UConn basketball has a multiplier effect that helps fill state coffers. Throw in seat fees, parking, concessions and more. Those businesses employee people, they create jobs, those people pay taxes. And in a deep drive, there are many other ways UConn filling downtown creates revenue for the state.

So the financial benefit is much greater than what UConn pays for the building to play. Taking UConn out of Hartford is a meaningful loss for the state. The prez is correct to make the case.

BTW, Mansfield doesn't want more people. They would certainly be against 15-18,000 people coming to town 18 times a year. Hell, they didn't want a 2,500 seat arena on route 195. They spend most of their time fighting any UConn expansion.
 
The point is that UConn basketball in Hartford is an economic driver. Bars pay taxes, restaurants pay taxes, UConn basketball has a multiplier effect that helps fill state coffers. Throw in seat fees, parking, concessions and more. Those businesses employee people, they create jobs, those people pay taxes. And in a deep drive, there are many other ways UConn filling downtown creates revenue for the state.

So the financial benefit is much greater than what UConn pays for the building to play. Taking UConn out of Hartford is a meaningful loss for the state. The prez is correct to make the case.

BTW, Mansfield doesn't want more people. They would certainly be against 15-18,000 people coming to town 18 times a year. Hell, they didn't want a 2,500 seat arena on route 195. They spend most of their time fighting any UConn expansion.
If the state wants UConn to act as an economic driver for Hartford, it should lease the XL at rate that makes it economically desirable for the University to play there. What you’ve left out of your comment above is that it is prohibitively expensive to play at the XL center because the CDRA has no incentive to price it at market lease rates.

Fortunately, UConn already has an arena in Storrs. It doesn’t need Mansfield’s approval to play it’s games there.
 
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