Fun Fact on Carlton

[superjohn]

He at 6 ( 3-5) points and 5 rebounds in 14 minutes last night.
We built that first lead when he came in and seemed unstoppable
He even hit a jumper was pulled and only saw only limited minutes for the rest of the game.
Adams played 35 minutes and scored 5 Pts on 1-8 shooting.
Who was more productive?
Carlton’s 40 min projected rebound numbers are through the roof . Not just last night but for the year.
Whaley was great and Maybe Hurley felt Temple’s mobility inside wasn’t a match for him . But there were a lot less productive guys than Carlton. I though he could have played him and IW together freeing Whaley to gamble on traps.
Us going small didn’t seem to work as it looked like it was awful easy for them to score on us.
If he comes back (you never know) he will be a situational starter next year as he is the only guy we have who can match up with the more physical 5 ‘s we will face. Whaley will probably be our 4 next year. Without Akok.
Impact 5 ‘s from first year players is rare.
You guys trying to run him out should be careful what you wish for.
Did you ever try to find an open guy with two bigs on you? getting a pass off isn’t that easy.

Nobody is trying to run him out, just want a better big to come in and have Carlton as a bench player.

 

[ClifSpliffy]

It’s an automatic TO.

yeah, uh no. josh and james, having played the same amount of minutes so far, each average around 2 tos a game. ag and cv, about 2.5 per game. james gets the freshman pass, cv gets the hustle pass, ag gets no pass, and josh could be better, even tho often there are 2 or 3 mice up in his grille when he gets the ball.

2019-20 American Athletic Conference - UConn

 

[auror]

yeah, uh no. josh and james, having played the same amount of minutes so far, each average around 2 tos a game. ag and cv, about 2.5 per game. james gets the freshman pass, cv gets the hustle pass, ag gets no pass, and josh could be better, even tho often there are 2 or 3 mice up in his grille when he gets the ball.

2019-20 American Athletic Conference - UConn

Have you charted how often they each touch the ball relative to their number of turnovers?

For the season, Carlton has the highest turnover rate on the team (turnovers per individual possession used). Carlton even has a bunch of offensive rebound quick putback possessions depressing his rate, and still leads the team. Turnover per touch would be a huge margin.

 

[QDOG5]

I had pretty much written IW off so I won't do that with Josh. I don't see him improving significantly this year but hopefully he comes back better next year and does well as part of a big man rotation.

 

[jibsey]

Most of the time Carlton is going to give us something, fights hard for rebounds with a big body inside. Yes he can’t finish but we need the combo with Whaley for it all to work. And Josh tries very hard, can’t fault him for that, but there are times you want to rip him out of the game. But we same the same about CV every so often.

 

[Palatine]

It’s an automatic TO.

He has 0 turnovers against Temple

 

[Dream Jobbed 2.0]

He has 0 turnovers against Temple

In 14 min

 

[Fatroony5]

He has 0 turnovers against Temple

And he shoots 43% from the field as a center in conference play and 46% from the line. His offensive rating is 90.... In conference IW has far outplayed him in nearly every statistical rating. IW offensive rating in conference is 116. He’s just not playing well, there’s not much of an argument to be made that he is.

 

[storrsroars]

I'm surprised Nelson didn't post the following:

What's the point of this board anymore?

I have slowed down my posting here because I don't see any point to debating people that want Whaley. Posters like @superjohn and @uconnfan68 literally want our inside game taken away, and want us to suffer. They are essentially this program's enemies. In their defense, they are absolutely representative of Hurleyists in the real world, and DreamJobbed is a prototype Hurley apologists.

I don't see any point in debating these people. I am trying to figure out how to protect myself from them.

(for those who don't participate in the Cesspool, well, you won't understand).

 

[uconnfan68]

I'm surprised Nelson didn't post the following:

What's the point of this board anymore?

I have slowed down my posting here because I don't see any point to debating people that want Whaley. Posters like @superjohn and @uconnfan68 literally want our inside game taken away, and want us to suffer. They are essentially this program's enemies. In their defense, they are absolutely representative of Hurleyists in the real world, and DreamJobbed is a prototype Hurley apologists.

I don't see any point in debating these people. I am trying to figure out how to protect myself from them.

(for those who don't participate in the Cesspool, well, you won't understand).

Wtf? I want Josh to stay in the games. At least to be available to play. Not to pick up fouls so fast he sits for 40 minutes.

 

[storrsroars]

? I want Josh to stay in the games. At least to be available to play. Not to pick up fouls so fast he sits for 40 minutes.

Edit: Ah nevermind, I confused myself. But hey, it was supposed to be funny, y'know?

 

[gtcam]

DreamJobbed is a prototype Hurley apologists.

Amen

 

[uconnfan68]

Edit: Ah nevermind, I confused myself. But hey, it was supposed to be funny, y'know?

That happens as we age.

 

[storrsroars]

That happens as we age.

Easy there... it wasn't all addle-brained. I settled on you and SJ specifically because you'd both be familiar with the original Nelson post. I just missed on the nuance.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I'm surprised Nelson didn't post the following:

What's the point of this board anymore?

I have slowed down my posting here because I don't see any point to debating people that want Whaley. Posters like @superjohn and @uconnfan68 literally want our inside game taken away, and want us to suffer. They are essentially this program's enemies. In their defense, they are absolutely representative of Hurleyists in the real world, and DreamJobbed is a prototype Hurley apologists.

I don't see any point in debating these people. I am trying to figure out how to protect myself from them.

(for those who don't participate in the Cesspool, well, you won't understand).

You have a lot invested in the hate of a player on a team you claim to love.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

The hate for Carlton is really disturbing. We have become one of those s-hole state SEC football fanbases that take it personally when their team's players don't win enough for the "fans" tastes.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Nobody is trying to run him out, just want a better big to come in and have Carlton as a bench player.

LOL

 

[navery12]

You have a lot invested in the hate of a player on a team you claim to love.

Replace this sentence with coach and take a look in the mirror

 

[storrsroars]

You have a lot invested in the hate of a player on a team you claim to love.

Nice assumption, while missing the point that my post was all about you and your posting history/style, not about Carlton...

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Replace this sentence with coach and take a look in the mirror

So saying that I think Carlton should play 7-10 more minutes a game is equivalent to saying I hate Hurley?

If I hate a coach, I will make no secret about it. I hated Diaco before he had finished hiring his staff.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Nice assumption, while missing the point that my post was all about you and your posting history/style, not about Carlton...

So you are attacking me personally for saying I think Carlton should play a little more?

 

[navery12]

So saying that I think Carlton should play 7-10 more minutes a game is equivalent to saying I hate Hurley?

If I hate a coach, I will make no secret about it. I hated Diaco before he had finished hiring his staff.

To each their own but I don't think you've exactly made it a secret you hate Hurley

 

[storrsroars]

So you are attacking me personally for saying I think Carlton should play a little more?

I'm commenting on your topical monotony and delivery, which is specifically why I chose a post from another forum to make that point.

Think of it this way, here in the hoops forum, you're Kolumbo, Carlton is Barr, Hurley is Schiff and so on. Hopefully that gets through to you.

 

[Fatroony5]

The hate for Carlton is really disturbing. We have become one of those s-hole state SEC football fanbases that take it personally when their team's players don't win enough for the "fans" tastes.

No one is personally hating on him, were just stating facts. He’s not playing well, could he turn it around? Sure. But he might not. Take a look at his numbers from last year conference play to this year...
2019 conference play : 10.2 PPG 7.4 reb 1.8 blocks 61.5% FG, 60% free throw offensive rating 111, Player efficiency rating 21.6

2020 conference play: 5.2 PPG 5.8 reb 1 block 43% FG 45.8 %FT offensive rating 93.5, PER 13.9

That’s a stark contrast. If he was providing similar production to last season, I don’t think there’d be much complaining about his play. They need his physical play against bigger teams, but the numbers are what they are. Why posters can’t see that is beyond me.

 

[Rocktheworld]

Nobody doubles down on stupid like Waylon

 

[tuvent08]

I’ll never get those few minutes of reading this back.

 

[nadav]

The hate for Carlton is really disturbing. We have become one of those s-hole state SEC football fanbases that take it personally when their team's players don't win enough for the "fans" tastes.

Here is a fun fact. Being critical of certain parts of a kids game (be it Carlton or Vital, etc) does not mean you hate them.

 

[ctchamps]

No one is personally hating on him, were just stating facts. He’s not playing well, could he turn it around? Sure. But he might not. Take a look at his numbers from last year conference play to this year...
2019 conference play : 10.2 PPG 7.4 reb 1.8 blocks 61.5% FG, 60% free throw offensive rating 111, Player efficiency rating 21.6

2020 conference play: 5.2 PPG 5.8 reb 1 block 43% FG 45.8 %FT offensive rating 93.5, PER 13.9

That’s a stark contrast. If he was providing similar production to last season, I don’t think there’d be much complaining about his play. They need his physical play against bigger teams, but the numbers are what they are. Why posters can’t see that is beyond me.

Good analysis. Towards the end of last season many of us felt Josh was going to be a big factor towards an improved season this year.

The question is why the regression. Is it a loss of confidence? Is it that our poor 3pt shooting has allowed more double and triple teaming of Josh? Is it because he’s too muscle bound?
Is it because Akok was not a complementary player for Josh? Perhaps Akok’s .261 3pt shooting percentage plus Akok primarily staying on the perimeter allowed Akok’s defender to double Josh quicker than happened last season when Tyler with his better 3pt shooting played the four? Any other possibility?

My guess is it’s a combination of these factors. I haven’t seen any attempt in this thread to explain the regression or consider factors that contribute to his regression. Without that consideration the Boneyard is throwing one of our players under the bus especially when the primary hope is to find a replacement as opposed to offering advice on how Josh can get back or improve over last season.

 

[navery12]

Good analysis. Towards the end of last season many of us felt Josh was going to be a big factor towards an improved season this year.

The question is why the regression. Is it a loss of confidence? Is it that our poor 3pt shooting has allowed more double and triple teaming of Josh? Is it because he’s too muscle bound?
Is it because Akok was not a complementary player for Josh? Perhaps Akok’s .261 3pt shooting percentage plus Akok primarily staying on the perimeter allowed Akok’s defender to double Josh quicker than happened last season when Tyler with his better 3pt shooting played the four? Any other possibility?

My guess is it’s a combination of these factors. I haven’t seen any attempt in this thread to explain the regression or consider factors that contribute to his regression. Without that consideration the Boneyard is throwing one of our players under the bus especially when the primary hope is to find a replacement as opposed to offering advice on how Josh can get back or improve over last season.

It's been discussed ad nauseum what could have contributed to Carlton's plateau/regression this year. Maybe not in this thread but this is the 100th iteration this month alone and the consensus seems to be that he gained too much muscle and can't move as well now

 

[Hans Sprungfeld]

yeah, uh no. josh and james, having played the same amount of minutes so far, each average around 2 tos a game. ag and cv, about 2.5 per game. james gets the freshman pass, cv gets the hustle pass, ag gets no pass, and josh could be better, even tho often there are 2 or 3 mice up in his grille when he gets the ball.

2019-20 American Athletic Conference - UConn

Different competition, different times, but Josh's stats are touch better than those of Oriakhi in his Junior year when so much more was expected than was shown.
Then again, Drummond came to UConn and Cockburn didn't.