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BlueDevils said:
*tips hat
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TBF, I don't think many people outside of South Carolina fans would know or suspect that. I can understand why people think she's mainly just good for a couple of highlight plays right now. She's still only getting about 15 minutes a game, so she doesn't have the numbers to match up with the other elite freshman.

S.C. high school coaching is generally terrible across the board, so she's making great strides just from getting literally any coaching for the first time. Shooting stroke looks solid now, and it was broken the first 8 or 9 games.
 
JstVisiting said:
TBF, I don't think many people outside of South Carolina fans would know or suspect that. I can understand why people think she's mainly just good for a couple of highlight plays right now. She's still only getting about 15 minutes a game, so she doesn't have the numbers to match up with the other elite freshman.

S.C. high school coaching is generally terrible across the board, so she's making great strides just from getting literally any coaching for the first time. Shooting stroke looks solid now, and it was broken the first 8 or 9 games.
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I'll add in limited minutes she has had some really timely buckets. May of seen one or two in Cameron :(
 
bbsamjj said:
A few things:

I would argue Hidalgo has several opportunities for a "marquee" win. Yes against UConn, but also against NC State. They also play Louisville twice and Virginia Tech once.

Not sure why you're down on Gottlieb's coaching? She brought Cal to a Final 4 and has fairly quickly brought USC back to prominence, but haven't followed her career closely.

Measuring conference efficiency rate is a bit misleading given JuJu is playing in arguably one of the toughest conferences in recent memory (with 4 teams at one point in the top 10). The Big East Paige's freshman year (and current year) is not at all close to that level. The B10 Clark's freshmen year was pretty good, sending 7 teams to the NCAA tournament; 4 of them (MD, Iowa, Michigan, Indiana) made it at least to the Sweet 16.

Which is all to say, the start of JuJu's Pac12 career has been..tough:

@UCLA (NET 7)
vs Oregon St (NET 22)
vs Oregon (NET 89)
vs UCLA (NET 7)
@ Utah (NET 5)
@ Colorado (NET 17)

Whereas Hidalgo has faced:
@ SYR (NET 47)
@ PITT (NET 179)
vs BC (NET 85)
vs UNC (NET 28)
vs MIA (NET 41)
@UVA (NET 68)
@WF (NET 154)
vs SYR (NET 47)

They are both amazing players, who are obviously on very different teams, in very different conferences. But I think it's pretty unequivocal that JuJu has played a tougher conference schedule; so i'm not surprised her numbers have fallen.
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For the record, I think BOTH Juju and Hannah are great bu if you want to compare, you can't just "cherry pick" the conference schedule, which yes, has favored Juju's harder road thus far.
For you and the group reading this,:
USC is 13-3 and their 16 opponents average NET is 100.93
ND is 14-4 and their 18 opponents average NET is 118.44

So, at this point Juju has played the harder schedule. Juju has a 26.1 Scoring average, 7 rebound per and 3.4 Assists, 2.6 Steals
Hannah has 23.9, 6.4 rebounds, 5.6 Assists, 5.4 Steals (which leads the country (#2 is as 4.31).

Let's call "marquee games" those against Top 15 NET opponents. I chose that number as that group tends to be more stable and usually stays in the top 25 NET grouping.
Juju has faced 5 teams in the top 15, and she has 3 remaining with #3, #10, #15. Juju will not have any "National televised games on this schedule".She will have 8 Marquee games. Juju's average NET for the USC schedule will be 75.75.
Hannah had 1 "marquee game" with SC as the first game of the year. Her "marquee games" are all coming up with #2, #14, #7, #14. Hannah has her game with UConn on Saturday on Fox, she has 3 other games on ESPN and 1 game on ESPN2 scheduled. She will have 5 "marquee games" in total. Her current average NET for the ND schedule will be 89.51.

To me, the stats and the opportunity favor Hannah.

As far as Gottlieb, I have been following women's basketball since 1991, Gottllieb is a great ambassador for the game with hosting symposiums and podcasts while at Cal and is articulate in the media. Her recruiting at Cal was average at best. Yes, in year 2 of assuming the Cal job after Joanne Boyle left for Virginia, Lindsay did reach the final four with a team led by all of Joanne's recruits. Her recruiting failed to get past the 2nd round and she never finished better 7th (year 4 after Boyle's players all left).

Now that she's at USC she has been able to improve her recruiting due to NIL money and has done extremely well with it. But her game schemes and lack of half-time adjustments have been noted for years by those who watch the game. I have seen her coach over 50 games while at Cal and USC and I will stand by my assertion she's a poor x's and o's coach. I would recommend you shore up you admitted lack of seeing her coach, and view a few of her games this year to make a first-hand assessment and of course to watch Juju who is a wonderful player. I just think Hannah is having the better year.
 
Id like to see Cardoso dunk more. Would save us from watching her clank ball after ball off the backboard without hope of makine a layup from 1 foot away from the basket.
 
DefenseBB said:
For the record, I think BOTH Juju and Hannah are great bu if you want to compare, you can't just "cherry pick" the conference schedule, which yes, has favored Juju's harder road thus far.
For you and the group reading this,:
USC is 13-3 and their 16 opponents average NET is 100.93
ND is 14-4 and their 18 opponents average NET is 118.44

So, at this point Juju has played the harder schedule. Juju has a 26.1 Scoring average, 7 rebound per and 3.4 Assists, 2.6 Steals
Hannah has 23.9, 6.4 rebounds, 5.6 Assists, 5.4 Steals (which leads the country (#2 is as 4.31).

Let's call "marquee games" those against Top 15 NET opponents. I chose that number as that group tends to be more stable and usually stays in the top 25 NET grouping.
Juju has faced 5 teams in the top 15, and she has 3 remaining with #3, #10, #15. Juju will not have any "National televised games on this schedule".She will have 8 Marquee games. Juju's average NET for the USC schedule will be 75.75.
Hannah had 1 "marquee game" with SC as the first game of the year. Her "marquee games" are all coming up with #2, #14, #7, #14. Hannah has her game with UConn on Saturday on Fox, she has 3 other games on ESPN and 1 game on ESPN2 scheduled. She will have 5 "marquee games" in total. Her current average NET for the ND schedule will be 89.51.

To me, the stats and the opportunity favor Hannah.

As far as Gottlieb, I have been following women's basketball since 1991, Gottllieb is a great ambassador for the game with hosting symposiums and podcasts while at Cal and is articulate in the media. Her recruiting at Cal was average at best. Yes, in year 2 of assuming the Cal job after Joanne Boyle left for Virginia, Lindsay did reach the final four with a team led by all of Joanne's recruits. Her recruiting failed to get past the 2nd round and she never finished better 7th (year 4 after Boyle's players all left).

Now that she's at USC she has been able to improve her recruiting due to NIL money and has done extremely well with it. But her game schemes and lack of half-time adjustments have been noted for years by those who watch the game. I have seen her coach over 50 games while at Cal and USC and I will stand by my assertion she's a poor x's and o's coach. I would recommend you shore up you admitted lack of seeing her coach, and view a few of her games this year to make a first-hand assessment and of course to watch Juju who is a wonderful player. I just think Hannah is having the better year.
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I didn't cherry pick the conference schedule. I listed the games they had played thus far. As your research confirms, JuJu has played an overall harder schedule thus far, a harder conference schedule, and by end of year will have played the harder overall schedule.

Agree, Hidalgo's toughest games are coming up (minus SC in opening game). The point I was making is both have put up amazing stats, but JuJu has done it against much better competition than Hidalgo thus far.
 
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AgStatesman said:
Id like to see Cardoso dunk more. Would save us from watching her clank ball after ball off the backboard without hope of makine a layup from 1 foot away from the basket.
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Kamilla has not dunked in a game. You are thinking of her 6-3 backup, Ashlyn Watkins, who has officially dunked in two games and had one other that ESPN called a dunk but wasn’t really.

And I have no idea what your post has to do with this thread.
 
Hidalgo is my pick right now. Lots of season left to play though! Fantastic performance from her tonight. She really outplayed Bueckers which I don’t think many anticipated.
 
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I love Juju, she is going to be a great in college and the pro level. The difference is just what Hidalgo brings to the game on the defensive end. Its wild the numbers she is producing.
 
Vowelguy said:
Nah it’s over.
I don’t think Juju has any national TV games, so little chance for her to make up ground in voters minds.
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No but she does have 2 games left against top 10 opponents (CO and Stanford) that people will definitely be paying attention to, especially if USC is able to win either of them.

Kind of bizarre that ND has won AT Tennesse and UConn, but lost at home to UNC and Syracuse.
 
bbsamjj said:
No but she does have 2 games left against top 10 opponents (CO and Stanford) that people will definitely be paying attention to, especially if USC is able to win either of them.

Kind of bizarre that ND has won AT Tennesse and UConn, but lost at home to UNC and Syracuse.
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Tennessee isn’t very good this year. UNC/Syracuse/UCONN might all be on more similar levels this season than initially realized
 
bbsamjj said:
No but she does have 2 games left against top 10 opponents (CO and Stanford) that people will definitely be paying attention to, especially if USC is able to win either of them.

Kind of bizarre that ND has won AT Tennesse and UConn, but lost at home to UNC and Syracuse.
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No nights off in the ACC
 

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