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Anyone seen this kid pitch for East Catholic? He's a UConn commit and was just selected #7 overall in the MLB draft by the Royals tonight, it's safe to say he'll never suit up for UConn. His rise is meteoric, threw 4 straight no hitters this past season and has been arguably the hottest prospect in the country. CT. kids don't get drafted this high out of high school, last time it happened was Bobby V.

No, but my oldest friend lives in Ellington and played baseball and football at East Catholic. Has known him and coached him some since he was little. I was stunned he went that high. Thought 2nd round was more likely. Really exciting stuff.
 
Royals fan here. The fans want Dayton Moore's head on a spike. We have never developed pitching and this was an out of left field selection. I am guessing new ownership will clean house shortly.

Bret Saberhagen would like a word. I haven't talked to my Royals fans friends about this yet. If they can sign him at reasonable money, it's a good calculated risk. The draft is full of guys expected to go below slot. They need to allow draft picks to be traded.
 
definitely more of a football town now, but the current front office of the Royals loves suck any energy or love of baseball from its fanbase.

Royals still plenty popular among all the people I know in the area. But yes, good teams attract fans. You've got to at least have hope. Tough for smaller market teams. Tampa is consistently good and still has no fans. Camden Yards used to be packed, and now it's far from it. MLB has some problems.
 
If interested as we head into Day 2:
 
definitely more of a football town now, but the current front office of the Royals loves suck any energy or love of baseball from its fanbase.
I know, they are a pocket the cash team.
 
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I don't know how draft works with cap etc. anymore, but $4 M...you just can't turn that down. Like, you can't. It is irrational. He can always go to college if it doesn't work out in six years. 24 years old, in college, a millionaire IF the baseball thing doesn't work out.

Yes, it's that simple. I cringe when I see players change their life plans to get a signing bonus of $100k or whatever (nothing wrong by the way with wanting to head to the minors if you think that's the best way of chasing your dream -- I'm talking about letting that amount of money keep you from college if you were otherwise going there), but if he's offered a $4M bonus you take it and build your life plan around that.
 
Although not drafted in the top 10, Watertown's Rico Brogna was the 26th pick in the first round in 1988. Drafted by the Tigers. Played for the Mets, Phillies, Red Sox and Braves.
And a great football player too. Could have been an NFL player as a punter if not qb.
 
I’m interested to see if my Pirates jump on Fedko. I’d love to see him here and the local angle helps, so I’ll be interested to see where he falls
 
Listened to some interviews and this kid is so likable. From what the scouts say and from video the kid has a devastating curve and he's gone from a high 80's fastball to a low 90's fastball that consistently touches 93 and tops out at 94 mph in the last 6 months. At 6'3 175 lbs. and just turning 18 years old, that's a lot to work with. Get him with pro training and there's no reason to think in the next 2-3 years he isn't over 200 lbs. and has a mid-90's fastball that tops out at like 97-98.
 
If they wanted a truly fair system they would get rid of the draft completely. Why should the system give money to teams that just pocket it, that won't use it to compete?
That would do more harm. No draft and no o revenue sharing means the large market teams would draft/sign every available talent. They have the resources to field 100 minor league teams each if they wanted. They would play the number games and 50% of baseball teams would go belly up and the league would contract

Small market teams "pocket money" for the time period they hit lighting in a bottle and they saved the resources to go all in for that 3 year window before they have to trade and unload their stars because they simply don't have the resources to have a $200 million payroll like the large markets.

Its not pocketing money it's proper planning and resource management
 
That would do more harm. No draft and no o revenue sharing means the large market teams would draft/sign every available talent. They have the resources to field 100 minor league teams each if they wanted. They would play the number games and 50% of baseball teams would go belly up and the league would contract

Small market teams "pocket money" for the time period they hit lighting in a bottle and they saved the resources to go all in for that 3 year window before they have to trade and unload their stars because they simply don't have the resources to have a $200 million payroll like the large markets.

Its not pocketing money it's proper planning and resource management

For some it is, but there are plenty of very rich owners that just don't want to spend the money to field a competitive team. The A's owner is richer than the owners of the Red Sox, Cubs, and Astros, yet their payroll is always near the bottom.
 
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Maybe with the next CBA, baseball will allow for the trading of picks.

For example, if you're Pittsburgh and you want the catcher they took but you think he'd be there at 3 or 4, trade down a few spots and maybe pick up a 2nd rounder. That way if a team is drooling over Jack Leiter, they have to jump up and pay a price.

Basically just make it like the NFL draft.
 
Maybe with the next CBA, baseball will allow for the trading of picks.

For example, if you're Pittsburgh and you want the catcher they took but you think he'd be there at 3 or 4, trade down a few spots and maybe pick up a 2nd rounder. That way if a team is drooling over Jack Leiter, they have to jump up and pay a price.

Basically just make it like the NFL draft.

Yeah while I was watching last night I was thinking the same thing. They clearly want to emulate the NFL Draft with the changes they've made the last 10 years or so; might as well continue that trend and allow for probably the most exciting part of watchin the draft live, which is the chance of a trade-up.
 
For some it is, but there are plenty of very rich owners that just don't want to spend the money to field a competitive team. The A's owner is richer than the owners of the Red Sox, Cubs, and Astros, yet their payroll is always near the bottom.
You can't equate wealth to the business operations. The red Sox make more gate money, more concession money and make more from their regional sports network. They make more money as a business thus have a higher payroll. Not everyone worth billions is liquid you have no clue what other ventures they have. You have to run the business based on its metrics
 
You can't equate wealth to the business operations. The red Sox make more gate money, more concession money and make more from their regional sports network. They make more money as a business thus have a higher payroll. Not everyone worth billions is liquid you have no clue what other ventures they have. You have to run the business based on its metrics
I was going to write something similar.
 
That would do more harm. No draft and no o revenue sharing means the large market teams would draft/sign every available talent. They have the resources to field 100 minor league teams each if they wanted. They would play the number games and 50% of baseball teams would go belly up and the league would contract
That's not true at all. In a free labor market the price goes up and no teams would be willing and able to sign "every available talent". And to say "they have the resources to field 100 minor league teams each" is just silly. Teams are trying to reduce the number of players they have in development, not add to it. And to say the end of the draft would result in "50% of baseball teams would go[ing] belly up" is just ridiculous.
 
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That's not true at all. In a free labor market the price goes up and no teams would be willing and able to sign "every available talent". And to say "they have the resources to field 100 minor league teams each" is just silly. Teams are trying to reduce the number of players they have in development, not add to it. And to say the end of the draft would result in "50% of baseball teams would go[ing] belly up" is just ridiculous.
While an exaggeration it's not far off. You're understanding of the economic of baseball are extremely skewed. For instance when the Royals play at the Yankees the Royals get 0% share of any money from that series including the YES broadcast. There is no revenue sharing the large market teams are at such an advantage it's a parody of parity

It's similar to the big ten/sec vs the big east
 
Yes, it's that simple. I cringe when I see players change their life plans to get a signing bonus of $100k or whatever (nothing wrong by the way with wanting to head to the minors if you think that's the best way of chasing your dream -- I'm talking about letting that amount of money keep you from college if you were otherwise going there), but if he's offered a $4M bonus you take it and build your life plan around that.

What's your take on this one? Somewhere in between your two scenarios. Local kid down in my area was drafted #88 by the Marlins. His slot value is around $675k-$700k. He was generally considered a top 75-100 HS prospect and was second team Max Preps AA. He was signed was Miss St. His bloodlines are strong. Has a brother a year older who is starting OF for Ole Miss and was just named SEC All-Freshmen team and hit over .300.

So, $700k and start in minors as a middle infielder or off to Miss St.?
 
What's your take on this one? Somewhere in between your two scenarios. Local kid down in my area was drafted #88 by the Marlins. His slot value is around $675k-$700k. He was generally considered a top 75-100 HS prospect and was second team Max Preps AA. He was signed was Miss St. His bloodlines are strong. Has a brother a year older who is starting OF for Ole Miss and was just named SEC All-Freshmen team and hit over .300.

So, $700k and start in minors as a middle infielder or off to Miss St.?

I wondered about that myself when making my post, and the answer is it's different for everyone. So let's say the $700k becomes $400k after tax. Is your family desperate for the money? Is that a life changing amount for them and thus the player? Was the player only going to college to further his career, or would he have taken a minor league contract for free? What is the player's academic potential? Is he going to college to get a degree, but without baseball the college wouldn't be interested? Or would he have a great change of a well paying job or profession without baseball?

So the question about where do you draw the line is only answerable on a case by case basis. But I feel safe in saying that (i) if you're getting over 2 large after tax, you have to take it and adjust your plans around it, and (ii) if you're only getting $100k pre-tax, that money is far less likely to be of more economic utility for the rest of your life than a college degree.
 
I know, they are a pocket the cash team.
Aren't they all? Tom Brady was and is an anomaly. Now the Patriots have a bandwagon following around the world.
 
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What's your take on this one? Somewhere in between your two scenarios. Local kid down in my area was drafted #88 by the Marlins. His slot value is around $675k-$700k. He was generally considered a top 75-100 HS prospect and was second team Max Preps AA. He was signed was Miss St. His bloodlines are strong. Has a brother a year older who is starting OF for Ole Miss and was just named SEC All-Freshmen team and hit over .300.

So, $700k and start in minors as a middle infielder or off to Miss St.?

I wondered about that myself when making my post, and the answer is it's different for everyone. So let's say the $700k becomes $400k after tax. Is your family desperate for the money? Is that a life changing amount for them and thus the player? Was the player only going to college to further his career, or would he have taken a minor league contract for free? What is the player's academic potential? Is he going to college to get a degree, but without baseball the college wouldn't be interested? Or would he have a great change of a well paying job or profession without baseball?

So the question about where do you draw the line is only answerable on a case by case basis. But I feel safe in saying that (i) if you're getting over 2 large after tax, you have to take it and adjust your plans around it, and (ii) if you're only getting $100k pre-tax, that money is far less likely to be of more economic utility for the rest of your life than a college degree.
To this point: my best friend’s younger son was drafted out of high school four years ago in the fifth round. He had several full scholarship offers to very good schools and accepted one to University of Hawaii (he had offers from better schools, but not necessarily better baseball schools—and no better locations!). Also very good bloodlines and all he really wanted to do was play baseball; otherwise he would want to be a firefighter (seriously). Older brother started four years as third baseman for an Ivy League school and both parents are great athletes and baseball nuts. Before the draft he told his parents that he didn’t want to enroll at UHawaii even if he wasn’t drafted very high because that would limit his ability to enter the draft the following year; whereas if he went JUCO he could reenter immediately. Broke my buddy‘s heart at the time and we spent a lot of time discussing it. But once he was drafted in the fifth round it made it a no-brainer. I think his slot was around $300k.

Fast forward to now and they are all living their best lives. He is “on trajectory” in high A and having a legit league MVP season, and my friends are renting AirBnBs in various cities every other month or so to go catch a week of games. The kid is really killing it and I can’t imagine he could have made a better choice for their circumstances. I know the odds are still long, but I believe this kid is going to make it to MLB, and they are a smart enough family to make wise fiscal decisions with the money he gets.
 
To this point: my best friend’s younger son was drafted out of high school four years ago in the fifth round. He had several full scholarship offers to very good schools and accepted one to University of Hawaii (he had offers from better schools, but not necessarily better baseball schools—and no better locations!). Also very good bloodlines and all he really wanted to do was play baseball; otherwise he would want to be a firefighter (seriously). Older brother started four years as third baseman for an Ivy League school and both parents are great athletes and baseball nuts. Before the draft he told his parents that he didn’t want to enroll at UHawaii even if he wasn’t drafted very high because that would limit his ability to enter the draft the following year; whereas if he went JUCO he could reenter immediately. Broke my buddy‘s heart at the time and we spent a lot of time discussing it. But once he was drafted in the fifth round it made it a no-brainer. I think his slot was around $300k.

Fast forward to now and they are all living their best lives. He is “on trajectory” in high A and having a legit league MVP season, and my friends are renting AirBnBs in various cities every other month or so to go catch a week of games. The kid is really killing it and I can’t imagine he could have made a better choice for their circumstances. I know the odds are still long, but I believe this kid is going to make it to MLB, and they are a smart enough family to make wise fiscal decisions with the money he gets.

Full rides in college are rare, so that’s pretty awesome.

And that’s great that’s he’s killing it.

And his juco idea isn’t uncommon at all.
 
That's 100% not true the slot value for his draft position is $5,432,400. This was an under slot draft pick meaning they will probably offer him in the $3-4 million range. This allows the Royals to save money to make an over slot pick in today and try to sway a player to sign rather than go/ stay in college

Orioles did the same thing at #5 albeit not as big as a reach as the Royals. The Astros did this strategy when they picked Carlos Correa #1 as the slot value was $7 million and they signed him for $4.5 million the saving go to being more aggressive in later rounds and trying to add a talent with the extra money who most thought was unsignable
I was going by draft slot but I appreciate the feedback
 
These mlb teams are basically entertainment companies now with the game just a front end offer.

They’re buying up real estate and creating other side ventures that are….let’s call them baseball adjacent…so they don’t count for revenue sharing.
 
To this point: my best friend’s younger son was drafted out of high school four years ago in the fifth round. He had several full scholarship offers to very good schools and accepted one to University of Hawaii (he had offers from better schools, but not necessarily better baseball schools—and no better locations!). Also very good bloodlines and all he really wanted to do was play baseball; otherwise he would want to be a firefighter (seriously). Older brother started four years as third baseman for an Ivy League school and both parents are great athletes and baseball nuts. Before the draft he told his parents that he didn’t want to enroll at UHawaii even if he wasn’t drafted very high because that would limit his ability to enter the draft the following year; whereas if he went JUCO he could reenter immediately. Broke my buddy‘s heart at the time and we spent a lot of time discussing it. But once he was drafted in the fifth round it made it a no-brainer. I think his slot was around $300k.

Fast forward to now and they are all living their best lives. He is “on trajectory” in high A and having a legit league MVP season, and my friends are renting AirBnBs in various cities every other month or so to go catch a week of games. The kid is really killing it and I can’t imagine he could have made a better choice for their circumstances. I know the odds are still long, but I believe this kid is going to make it to MLB, and they are a smart enough family to make wise fiscal decisions with the money he gets.
Good for your friend and his son, but that’s sort of the point. In his case, he didn’t want college for college’s sake. So if you’re offered a few hundred grand to do what you wanted anyway, and you’re happy to be a fireman if baseball doesn’t work, he made the right decision for him. For someone whose back up plan is to be a doctor or an investment banker, it would take more money for it to be a good choice.
 
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Good for your friend and my son, but that’s sort of the point. In his case, he didn’t want college for college’s sake. So if you’re offered a few hundred grand to do what you wanted anyway, and you’re happy to be a fireman if baseball doesn’t work, he made the right decision for him. For someone whose back up plan is to be a doctor or an investment banker, it would take more money for it to be a good choice.

A lot of guys get an mlb scholarship plan so they can go back to school on the team’s dime.
 
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