OT: Florida State to sue ACC over GOR

[billybud]

FSU has unofficially announced that they are exiting. It I s now just about the cost.and the determination of the courts. FSU in their filing, asked the court, that if a successful outcome, that their notice be effective August 2023.

 

[Waquoit]

Mike Farrell is still alive?

Thought the same thing.

 

[Zissou]

FSU has unofficially announced that they are exiting. It I s now just about the cost.and the determination of the courts. FSU in their filing, asked the court, that if a successful outcome, that their notice be effective August 2023.

You can ask for anything

 

[billybud]

Zissou...true...if snarky as usual.

It is what it is....Discovery will shortly be underway.

But, you know...I don't think it will get too far.

The ACC is rattled...fight it out and stuff comes to light...about misleading and misrepreresenting, about inside dealing with Raycom, about possible fraud...Clemson is in the wings looking for damages.

ESPN can't be thrilled about the curtains being drawn back about the fact that there is no contract in two years. By the fact that it was discovered that the contract had to be renewed by 2021 to go to 2036 and it was not...

The ACC is damned if they do, damned if they don't....open the doors up and others may leave or don't and let the birds come home to roost.

 

[freescooter]

I don’t think academics have a blessed thing to do with it anymore. Granted, it’s ironic, given that we’re talking about COLLEGE athletics. Yet, here we are….

I agree. I just think that it is why commentators pick them as “ logical” B10 targets. Virginia football is marginal at best. UNC is variable but less than B 10 caliber at its best. I doubt either one is worth $60 million

 

[billybud]

Virginia has good athletics beyond football....

Finished # 5 in latest Lear's Directors Cup.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

I agree. I just think that it is why commentators pick them as “ logical” B10 targets. Virginia football is marginal at best. UNC is variable but less than B 10 caliber at its best. I doubt either one is worth $60 million

If Rutgers is worth 60m so is UNC and UVa

 

[prankster]

If Rutgers is worth 60m so is UNC and UVa

That unpacks somewhat differently, I think.

B10 thought they were buying into the NY Metro tv market. I don't think they were valuing Rutgers as a "product". Just NY as a market. And it was that that they value(d?) at $60m.

The valuation would be different regarding UNC, both as a product valuation and market valuation, I think. In sum, UNC would arguably value higher than Rutgers.

 

[freescooter]

Virginia has good athletics beyond football....

Finished # 5 in latest Lear's Directors Cup.

Yeah and as you know conference realignment is all about Women’s squash.

 

[billybud]

and basketball...soccer, etc.

 

[billybud]

However Virginia has won an NC in basketball in 2019 and an NC in baseball in 2015...

 

[freescooter]

However Virginia has won an NC in basketball in 2019 and an NC in baseball in 2015...

LOL. Yeah. And we’re the first #1 to lose to a 16 in 2018. Nobody is adding a school because they won the baseball title in 2015

 

[billybud]

LOL. Yeah. And we’re the first #1 to lose to a 16 in 2018. Nobody is adding a school because they won the baseball title in 2015

Maybe not. And, so no one is adding a school for winning a basketball, baseball, or equestrian NC.

 

[billybud]

Oregon has pretty good sports…. But has not won a basketball, football, or baseball national championship in modern times. They did win a NC in 1939.

 

[uconndogs]

Athletic performance is only important to the extent it gains or retains perceived market value. Athletic performance in and of itself does not drive conference realignment.

 

[billybud]

No. The old equation was gaining carriage…no matter the quality of athletics. A’ la Rutgers.

Now…viewership is king. And viewership is highly correlated with athletic performance

 

[billybud]

Would you rather have Alabama or Maryland?

 

[uconndogs]

No. The old equation was gaining carriage…no matter the quality of athletics. A’ la Rutgers.

Now…viewership is king. And viewership is highly correlated with athletic performance

Well, you just repeated what I posted in a different manner. Whatever works for ya….

 

[billybud]

Sure sounded like you were downplaying athletic performance...

 

[freescooter]

No

Northwestern was a founding member. Not going anywhere unless they choose to go.

 

[billybud]

 

[Ldandy]

FSU and Clemson are getting out of The ACC come Hell or high water. Why not save millions of dollars in legal fees for all parties, by getting right to negotiating the buyout for both schools? Maybe The ACC can negotiate 200 million+ from each school? 400 million dollars divided among the legacy members is a hefty chunk of change.

Lots of people believe that letting FSU/Clemson out of The ACC will open the flood gates for other defections. Honestly, I'm not so sure. First and foremost, ESPN can keep the conference financially whole by continuing its current deal with new members. People can claim that a bunch of ACC Schools will head to The Big 12, B1G, SEC etc, but the media rights holders, including ESPN, will determine that. They have to pay for any of these additions and keep the current membership whole. How much is VPI, GT, NCSU and so on actually worth?

 

[billybud]

Maybe..this is all about forcing a negotiation of costs to leave.

At first...the ACC position was that the teams were locked, iron clad, until 2036. Why negotiate anything.

That position may be loosening quite a bit with revelations coming out as a result of FSU/Clemson digging into it.

 

[uconndogs]

How much is VPI, GT, NCSU and so on actually worth?

I would take it even one step further. What are any of these "properties" worth given the uncertainty aound player compensation? That expense line moving into the future is an unknown. You are dealing with emotional supporters (boosters, etc.) who will fund or not based on their whim. I think for many (probably the majority) of BCS programs this model is unstastainable. I think the same is going to be true for hoops as well. The media companies will value programs based on their forecasted viewership, but how do those programs sustain themselves when they don't know what their labor costs will be in order to be competitive?

Is it all presently a house of cards......?

 

[huskymedic]

Leon County judge could order ACC to give Florida State confidential ESPN agreements

The ACC could soon be ordered to give Florida State's legal teams a copy of the highly confidential ESPN agreements.

www.tallahassee.com

-> In proposed language that both sides agreed upon, the court order was drafted and submitted July 2 at 3 p.m. to Leon Circuit Judge John C. Cooper. If Cooper signs the court order, the ACC must hand over an unredacted version of the sought-after ESPN agreement to FSU within seven days of the order. <-

-> The ESPN agreements contain six documents:

• The initial 2010 multi-media agreement with ESPN
• The 2012 amendment and extension agreement
• Second amendment and extension agreement in 2014
• Amended and restated multi-media agreement in 2016
• ACC-ESPN Network agreement also from 2016
• Letter amendment to amend and restated multi-media agreement from 2021<-

-> The proposed interim protective order submitted by both the conference and FSU would allow the school's legal team to review the documents and create copies for use in the school's court battle. The order states that the documents remain confidential and only be seen by those involved with the case or authorized consultation.

Once the litigation between the school and the conference ends, FSU will return the documents to the ACC and destroy any copies of it within 60 days in accordance with the order. <-

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Leon County judge could order ACC to give Florida State confidential ESPN agreements

The ACC could soon be ordered to give Florida State's legal teams a copy of the highly confidential ESPN agreements.

www.tallahassee.com

-> In proposed language that both sides agreed upon, the court order was drafted and submitted July 2 at 3 p.m. to Leon Circuit Judge John C. Cooper. If Cooper signs the court order, the ACC must hand over an unredacted version of the sought-after ESPN agreement to FSU within seven days of the order. <-

-> The ESPN agreements contain six documents:

• The initial 2010 multi-media agreement with ESPN
• The 2012 amendment and extension agreement
• Second amendment and extension agreement in 2014
• Amended and restated multi-media agreement in 2016
• ACC-ESPN Network agreement also from 2016
• Letter amendment to amend and restated multi-media agreement from 2021<-

-> The proposed interim protective order submitted by both the conference and FSU would allow the school's legal team to review the documents and create copies for use in the school's court battle. The order states that the documents remain confidential and only be seen by those involved with the case or authorized consultation.

Once the litigation between the school and the conference ends, FSU will return the documents to the ACC and destroy any copies of it within 60 days in accordance with the order. <-

Remember when a bunch of posters on this site blamed the 2003 lawsuit against the BCS for everything bad that has ever happened to UConn athletics, ever? I do. Florida State is literally pissing off everyone in college sports with this lawsuit, and it is not going to hurt them at all.

 

[Ha Who]

Remember when a bunch of posters on this site blamed the 2003 lawsuit against the BCS for everything bad that has ever happened to UConn athletics, ever? I do. Florida State is literally pissing off everyone in college sports with this lawsuit, and it is not going to hurt them at all.

Are they suing the conference they’re trying to get into or the conference they’re leaving?

 

[Pat125]

Are they suing the conference they’re trying to get into or the conference they’re leaving?

Sure, they are p&ssing off the ACC, but they are also p&ssing off ESPN, who is paying the SEC. Also, keep in mind that the SEC, Big Ten, and the Big 12, have joined the ACC over keeping the bs trade secrets in the media agreements in tact. So Fox may not be thrilled with Florida St. as well. On the other hand, most of this is theatre. Further, I can’t imagine that Florida St. and Clemson didn’t get some winks from the SEC (and ESPN), and would not be surprised if there is a settlement within 37 days.

 

[uconndogs]

Given the behavior of FSU and even Clemson you would think they have some type of backroom agreement with the SEC. That said, I doubt the Gators or Gamecocks are all that thrilled with those additions.

Speaking of backroom deals, I think the BiG and SEC have given a wink and a nod to stay largely north and south.

 

[freescooter]

Sure, they are p&ssing off the ACC, but they are also p&ssing off ESPN, who is paying the SEC. Also, keep in mind that the SEC, Big Ten, and the Big 12, have joined the ACC over keeping the bs trade secrets in the media agreements in tact. So Fox may not be thrilled with Florida St. as well. On the other hand, most of this is theatre. Further, I can’t imagine that Florida St. and Clemson didn’t get some winks from the SEC (and ESPN), and would not be surprised if there is a settlement within 37 days.

I suspect that there will be a settlement. The ACC’s interest is to make it high enough that others will think twice before leaving. I’m among those who doubt that a settlement opens the floodgates for the league. I keep asking what other ACC school is worth $60 million? Or what ACC school are the Big 10 or SEC members willing to reduce their shares to add? And I keep coming up with none.

Sometimes, too, value is tied to who you play. Is UNC worth as much without its rivalry with Duke? Is Michigan without Ohio State? Texas without Oklahoma? Though they don’t want to admit it, many teams lose their identity when they change leagues at least partly for that reason. It was funny watching the ACC try to make BC-Clemson something based on them having played each other in a bowl game in the 40s. It was basically ConFLiCT 2.0. I doubt either school can find the trophy they ginned up. I doubt Carolina is worth $60 million. I seriously doubt it without Duke as its foil.