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RuffRuff said:
Rewatched the game - that 3 Clayton smoked a 6’8” AK on the was such a dagger. We were up 2 with less that 3 minutes to go, and he just pulls up in his face. Then we fumble ball next possession to the Florida breakaway dunk and the wheels fell off. All momentum shifts on a dime.
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Kid has some balls and was completely un-phased. He's not the greatest shooter but he has a penchant for hitting big ones.
 
IllinoisHuskie said:
Some thoughts on this year’s team.

  • Solo is our best outside shooter. For whatever reason Solo seems to spend more time running the baseline than out on the three point line when McNeeley is in the game. I think this activity should have been reversed. It would be interesting to know the percentage of Solo’s three point shots taken and made when McNeeley was in/out of the game. Not saying this was McNeeley’s fault. Just how the two players fit together and were used.
  • I won’t beat the Samson/Reed debate except to say, Samson gave his all and Reed should dominate next year. Hope its in Storrs.
  • High hedge: If they want to run it, they need a third somewhat capable Center. It results in too many wasted fouls. Hit the portal hard.
  • The team never had a reliable option that would/could drive it to the rim and hit the contested shot.
  • Overall, the team went down fighting like Husky teams do. Entertaining year. Already checking the Internet hourly for portal updates.
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Great point on the high hedge. Not only the stupid fouls 27 ft from the hoop but racing to get back in the paint and not being in a great defensive position results in fouls too often.
 
Deepster said:
Great point on the high hedge. Not only the stupid fouls 27 ft from the hoop but racing to get back in the paint and not being in a great defensive position results in fouls too often.
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We also have Florida some crucial uncontested dunks due to it.
 
IllinoisHuskie said:
Some thoughts on this year’s team.

  • Solo is our best outside shooter. For whatever reason Solo seems to spend more time running the baseline than out on the three point line when McNeeley is in the game. I think this activity should have been reversed. It would be interesting to know the percentage of Solo’s three point shots taken and made when McNeeley was in/out of the game. Not saying this was McNeeley’s fault. Just how the two players fit together and were used.
  • I won’t beat the Samson/Reed debate except to say, Samson gave his all and Reed should dominate next year. Hope its in Storrs.
  • High hedge: If they want to run it, they need a third somewhat capable Center. It results in too many wasted fouls. Hit the portal hard.
  • The team never had a reliable option that would/could drive it to the rim and hit the contested shot.
  • Overall, the team went down fighting like Husky teams do. Entertaining year. Already checking the Internet hourly for portal updates.
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The more I see UConn’s high hedge, the more I like drop coverage with the defender going over the screen. I am fine with the defender going under the screen against a lot of guards.

Maybe 10-15% of starting college guards are legitimate threats to shoot a long pull up jumper after coming off a screen and turning 90 degrees. The rest of them can have the long pull up. Don’t design a defense to stop a 25% shot.

Drop coverage makes the screen harder to set, increasing the likelihood of a moving screen call.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
The more I see UConn’s high hedge, the more I like drop coverage
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I was in the chat talking about the high hedge. Samson was amazing in recovery last night, but it is not something Reed is good at, and it resulted in his fouls often. He should be in drop, but ends up not doing it well/fouling, so not as many minutes. He is a beast on the block, but his lack of opportunities is a main gripe that ive been repeating all year. Cmon he got no low block touches in first seton hall. Gotta fit your x and o schemes to your roster. Also its too predictable and Florida easily slipped the screen to their bigs late before the Clayton shots for 2 good looks. I think Mahaney is another who struggles in this defensive system who will bounce back in another. All that being said, they DID show up yesterday, and competed in a way that we havent seen in other losses. They play for Danny and the name on their shirt, and thats all you can ask.
 
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3rdbass said:
I would have rather had Fresman El-Amin, Kemba, Allen, Okafor, Gordon, Butler, Donyell Marshall and Hamilton. I guess you must be part of McNeeley's family. You are defending him pretty hard. He is good kid just has more limitations than we thought and isn't a great shooter.
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Do you think if an NBA GM drafts him first round, that he must also be part of McNeeley’s family? Because it’s probably where he’s going to get drafted after playing less than a full year as a freshman. And if not, I’d love to have him back.
 
housekeys said:
Florida had 27 FTA in the second half after going to the line 7 times in the first half.

UConn had 14 FTA in the second half after going to the line 6 times in the first half.

There was a clear re-calibration of what was a foul and who was fouling from the first half to the second.

In the end, on this day, we did not have the talent to overcome what was this teams Achilles heal. FTA discrepancy is real and it has cost us in everyone of our losses. Dan Hurley is right for b*tchng at the refs. Stats back him up.
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Not having driving guards that could get to the rim equals less foul shots.
Yes, it cost us all season but we shouldn’t have missed 21 3’s many wide open either.
 
DogMania said:
They were right there to stretch the lead and hopefully put it out of reach, but couldn't.

Seemed to be countless times they had the ball with chances to stretch the lead and let UF close the gap keeping them in striking range.

They played the best D we've seen all season long and made some outstanding plays, but simply missed so many open and makeable looks. Even with that, they gave up some critical rebounds on the defensive end, especially off of missed FTs, that were costly late.

That was a winnable game. Great effort. Proud of our team, but disappointed in the outcome.
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We didn’t score for 7 minutes. We went as cold as the games start. Alex reverse wasn’t the only issue. I felt bug men fouls were the biggest factor. Reed was gonna eat. But that play at around 3 minutes left when Liam missed the cutting Sam and then forced it too him and turned it over was a moment of note.
 
NHUConnfan said:
I just wanna say...Tarris has been great. I'm really excited to see his leap next year. Imagine the chemistry he and Solo can get this summer.
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I’m calling him as big east POY with the adjusted minutes. 18 and 10 next year.
 
Yawin4Heisman said:
No shame in how we played. Kids played their asses off and showed a ton of pride. Hass, Samson, etc. left it all on the floor and went out like champions. Hurts because the way they won is what I thought it would take for us to win but we actually outplayed them and just didn’t make enough shots and they made the tough shots. We looked like a team that could 3-peat.
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It was like a combined 15 minutes if 1 fg with the start of the game and the 7 minutes in the second. Lost by 2. Insane.
 
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Jsmoove1121 said:
Masterclass in coaching today. If we sharpened up just a little bit more at the end there then we woulda won.
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Loved the flops in the pushed with 8 seconds left. Hurley mentioned to Hass they were pushing off. Did get UF to the line with no time off.
 
I went out to watch the game with a friend, so was spared what must have been an annoying chat. Didn't post on this thread either.

It is pretty simple for me, you make shots or you don't. The team played good defense, more steals than usual, some key blocks and we were fantastic on the boards. Samson was excellent early on. On offense we missed wide open look after wide open look. That's on everybody. As a result we started trying to force feed Reed, which Florida knew was coming and completely shut down. Reed is a bigger black hole than Sanogo ever was, he has to learn how to pass out rather than taking terrible shots.

Even with all of that, Florida missed a ton of free throws and we should have won the game with better execution down the stretch. But the guys didn't have it, and Florida did. That's how it goes. If you told me we'd lose by 2, this game isn't what I would have expected. I'm not disappointed in losing to a 1 seed, I am disappointed in losing that particular game the way we did. But next year is a new season. Let's go.
 
We did already best Florida in this tournament before the game even started.

Was this mentioned?
 
Proud of the guys for never giving up and fighting to the end there. That was a good team they lost to. The wheels just came off at the end and they couldn't close it out. They just weren't really that team this year. A portaling we go!
 
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bendm said:
Sure we’d most likely just have had to beat Maryland, Texas Tech, Auburn, and Duke or Houston. Piece of cake.
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If we could have beaten the team that was arguably playing the best basketball in the country the last few weeks, why not believe we could beat everyone else on that list? And did I say it would have been a "piece of cake"? Of course it wouldn't have, but it would have been a legit possibility. SMH
 
I see people bringing up a double flop Hurley apparently drew up where two players flopped at the same time in the same way but I didn't see that, anyone know?
 
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FreeKlaiber said:
I was in the chat talking about the high hedge. Samson was amazing in recovery last night, but it is not something Reed is good at, and it resulted in his fouls often. He should be in drop, but ends up not doing it well/fouling, so not as many minutes. He is a beast on the block, but his lack of opportunities is a main gripe that ive been repeating all year. Cmon he got no low block touches in first seton hall. Gotta fit your x and o schemes to your roster. Also its too predictable and Florida easily slipped the screen to their bigs late before the Clayton shots for 2 good looks. I think Mahaney is another who struggles in this defensive system who will bounce back in another. All that being said, they DID show up yesterday, and competed in a way that we havent seen in other losses. They play for Danny and the name on their shirt, and thats all you can ask.
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Clayton showed us the value of the high hedge. Without it he would have been bombing threes all game. Samson neutralized his effectiveness (driving and shooting) for a good part of this game. Liam, Alex and Solo were slow to neutralize the slip. That was the problem all season. But without the hedge teams would have killed us on drives to the basket or making open threes because this team was flawed defensively. The early part of the season demonstrated that. Tarris is ineffective with it but leaving him for drop coverage with this teams lack of foot speed would have been worse.

I don't understand the complaints about the high hedge this game when it was a major reason the game was close. I said to myself the second foul on Samson under a minute in the first half was going to haunt us. It did.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I went out to watch the game with a friend, so was spared what must have been an annoying chat. Didn't post on this thread either.

It is pretty simple for me, you make shots or you don't. The team played good defense, more steals than usual, some key blocks and we were fantastic on the boards. Samson was excellent early on. On offense we missed wide open look after wide open look. That's on everybody. As a result we started trying to force feed Reed, which Florida knew was coming and completely shut down. Reed is a bigger black hole than Sanogo ever was, he has to learn how to pass out rather than taking terrible shots.

Even with all of that, Florida missed a ton of free throws and we should have won the game with better execution down the stretch. But the guys didn't have it, and Florida did. That's how it goes. If you told me we'd lose by 2, this game isn't what I would have expected. I'm not disappointed in losing to a 1 seed, I am disappointed in losing that particular game the way we did. But next year is a new season. Let's go.
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We forced them to play at our tempo, we clearly had them rattled and on the ropes several times, but we could never deliver the finishing blow. We had some good looks from 3 we just didn't make, meanwhile they had Clayton making high-difficulty 3's and got a couple of offensive rebounds we should have gotten....that was the difference. They made clutch shots/plays in crunch time while we didn't.

Looking forward to next season though for sure.
 
JohnFSilver said:
Yeah, anyone who thinks that's tough loss, I mean it sucks today, but you will be fine next week. The Hurley loss to New Mexico was way worse. They had a 1 seed on the ropes and loss. It wasn't a crushing loss, it wasn't a crazy loss.

That is nowhere near some of the brutal losses that have hit them. I actually don't count the final 4 loss to MSU as a bad loss. Got outplayed that game and you can't get upset as a final four participant. This was a good performance in this tournament considering the seed.
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I would argue its one of the best losses in program history. We are coming off back to back national championships and had a disappointing season that ended with us losing a close game to potentially the best team in the country
 
ctchamps said:
Clayton showed us the value of the high hedge. Without it he would have been bombing threes all game. Samson neutralized his effectiveness (driving and shooting) for a good part of this game. Liam, Alex and Solo were slow to neutralize the slip. That was the problem all season. But without the hedge teams would have killed us on drives to the basket or making open threes because this team was flawed defensively. The early part of the season demonstrated that. Tarris is ineffective with it but leaving him for drop coverage with this teams lack of foot speed would have been worse.

I don't understand the complaints about the high hedge this game when it was a major reason the game was close. I said to myself the second foul on Samson under a minute in the first half was going to haunt us. It did.
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my complaint was using it with Reed (all season) to the point he is always in foul trouble hitting people 35 feet from hoop, not good at recovery and therefore not getting as much PT as his post offense appears to warrant.

I agree with your whole post, other than the last sentence of first paragraph. When he is in the game maybe play a less extending man, with more help principles, accepting your teams lack of foot speed? Mahaney wouldve thrived in that over being on an island trying to lockdown 35 ft from the hoop. But that gets away from our defensive identity. And there lies our season long defensive issue.Yesterday was the best it looked to be fair and was quite effective, but not with Tarris.
 
Travelman6 said:
I see people bringing up a double flop Hurley apparently drew up but I didn't see that, anyone know?
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It was on the inbounds play at 9.1 seconds, video should start right at that play here

 
I'll tell you what. This one is not sitting well in my belly this morning. We outplayed them most of the game, Diarra and Hurley controlled the pace of the entire game and I am having a hard time swallowing the fact that if we hit just 2 more 3's, we win this game. 8 for 29 from 3 with a long distance heave from Hassan at the end of the 1st and a meaningless heave from Liam at the end.

And I fully believe that, had we gotten to the 2nd weekend, another site and had the momentum starting to roll....we would have had as good a chance at a threepeat as we ever could have hoped.
 
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With us having the 4 point lead multiple times in the second half I was waiting for just one of our shooters to break the game open and none could do it. Its a shame because as a team we had put ourselves in position to win. Players had their chances for us and Clayton took over for Florida.
 
jdb50 said:
With us having the 4 point lead multiple times in the second half I was waiting for just one of our shooters to break the game open and none could do it. Its a shame because as a team we had put ourselves in position to win. Players had their chances for us and Clayton took over for Florida.
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That one sequence where Diarra got a steal and had the chance to drive to the hoop for a layup attempt (and probably good chance of drawing a foul), but decided to pass it to Ball who also had a chance to launch a catch and shoot 3.....but didn't, then fumbled the ball out of bounds....that was a killer. Think Florida scored on their next possession too.

We also had multiple opportunities when we were up 38-32 to really put the screws to Florida, but Ball missed a 3, then later Reed missed a contested lay-up attempt. Soooo many opportunities where we could have pushed the lead to 8 or 9 but just couldn't convert.

There was another sequence we were up 40-34, McNeeley got a steal but missed a layup, then Florida drilled a 3 a few moments later. Just killer.
 
They played damn hard, not always smart but always hard. Pretty easy to summarize, missed too many wide open looks as well as once again missing some key box out assignments especially on FTs. And they had Clayton and we didn’t, kid can fill it and in the clutch. It was ours to win and just couldn’t finish but very happy with the effort and the fact Florida had to sweat it out.

Another crap thing was my numbers for $250 were “7-2” in our square pool. Did McNeeley really need to finally make one?!?!:confused:
 
navery12 said:
It was on the inbounds play at 9.1 seconds, video should start right at that play here

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I see, I admit I had walked away at that point but seeing it now, it was not as others had explained it IMO, but just trying to see if they could draw the charge somehow, not as cheap as non UConn fans made it out to be, not really at all in my opinion.

Tough game, played hard, just a play or two away from victory.
 
bendm said:
Ummm 2006 final 4 against George Mason, 2009 final 4 against MSU…Those teams had legit championship aspirations. This is getting a tad ridiculous. This L doesn’t even register. We should be nothing but proud of the fight the team just showed after a tough season. No regrets. And yeah thankfully CSU didn’t hang on.
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Just because u don’t have legit championship aspirations doesn’t mean this one didn’t sting. Tourney magic for two straight years so I dunno how u could not think of even this game we wouldn’t not have a decent chance in our region to reach final 4. and we completely fell apart in the last three minutes of the game. We’re leading the entire second half— now if Florida blew the door‘s off us or worked us in the second half and we lost by 10 -fine is what it is But they had the game and to end that way I don’t know how you can walk away and shrug your shoulders. Lotta people I saw at work today were sick to their stomach with that loss slipping away. Would have cleared a path to final 4 for us too. Just a brutal ending. And because of all that this loss is definitely worse than the Michigan State loss. To me everything was magnified because we had the game makes it much much worse.
 
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