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February General CBB Discussion Thread

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Watching Ohio St /Purdue.
1st Half... Purdue 8/14 on 3's and 3/15 on everything else. Live and die.
 
RuffRuff said:
Point is a lot of changed since then. It was also a close game. I’d lean much more heavily on how a team is playing now versus months ago with new rosters.

We lost by double figures to Georgia Tech in the early season in 2004.
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Your arguments are so non-sensical. Emeka was VERY injured in that game. You say AZ is a completely different team now, but scoff at anyone that mentions we were without Braylon and Reed for that game.

Not sure I’ve ever seen someone constantly move the goalposts as much as you.
 
Ugh, another major injury in CBB.



Villanova's got a ton of guards, but they don't have a lot of forward depth. 6'6 212 Malachi Palmer will be the team's starting 4 with Hodge out.

If Palmer sits, they have no other healthy scholarship players between 6'5 and 6'10, so I guess either Askew/Perkins would get minutes at the 4 or they go double-bigs w/ Brennan/Pierce.

Either way, tough blow for Villanova as Hodge has been one of the better freshmen in the Big East. 8.6 ppg and 39.4 3P% in conference play.
 
Alright, so what does the Boneyard say about this. They're currently 29-0, and ranked by the pollsters at 21. KenPom has them at #87, Torvik #78, and EvanMiya #75. They are at #51 in the NET, but have played a single quad 2 game at home, beating Akron by 3.

Their non-conference schedule is one of the worst in the entire country. There's a reason they haven't lost a game. But even considering that, they got to 29-0 against a 10-18 Western Michigan team that is #271 on a buzzer beater.

The simple fact is that if they had lost a game earlier and then lost in their conference tournament, this wouldn't even be a question. But because they managed to beat all the terrible teams on their schedule, only one in the top 100, 7 more in the top 200, now it's an open question if they win out, but lose their conference tournament should they get in as an at large team ?

Simple answer, no. Akron is the better team and there is a better than average chance they lose to Akron in the conference tournament.
What say you ??
 
Purdue starting to look more and more like a tier 3 team than 2 when it comes to top teams in the country
 
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aceboon said:
Purdue starting to look more and more like a tier 3 team than 2 when it comes to top teams in the country
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They really do - rolling back starting thing was way overblown there. Those three just aren’t that talented. Smith is a great player but still has so many deficiencies due to size. He’d be great surrounded by athleticism.

They feel like a S16 max team.
 
RuffRuff said:
When did we see them? Had they ever played together before then much? How much time did they get to play together & with that roster and coach? I love a good flex, when it makes sense. This is counter to just about the whole country.
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They played a good game against us is my point. And still lost. What’s their signature win? They were just ok OOC. They don’t concern me. Definitely not enough to avoid them lol. Let’s run it.
 
Mr. French said:
Florida definitely worries me. They’re good, physical, and are well coached.
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Only 2 teams “worry” me. My criteria for worry is we can lose playing our A game. Those teams are Michigan and Duke. Their A games go toe to toe with ours and could win. I don’t think anyone else beats our A game.
 
KingAG said:
They played a good game against us is my point. And still lost. What’s their signature win? They were just ok OOC. They don’t concern me. Definitely not enough to avoid them lol. Let’s run it.
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Too much man, overflex. This is the kind of stuff that tilts too hard. Everyone would be “concerned” / they’ve got a NC level front court and coach. And two talented guards that have improved, and running through teams.

As much as I “glaze” good teams which is just acknowledging, it’s this kinda stuff that is so far to the other side. We were just down by 8 to Seton Hall with 7 to go at home. Please have some humility. It’s bad juju.

They were a possession away from beating Duke at Cameron. Cant cherry pick what you want for your flexes.
 
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KingAG said:
Only 2 teams “worry” me. My criteria for worry is we can lose playing our A game. Those teams are Michigan and Duke. Their A games go toe to toe with ours and could win. I don’t think anyone else beats our A game.
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I mean, worry is a relative term. If we play our A game, I'm satisfied with whatever happens so if I know we're playing our A game, I'm not technically worried at all.

But, teams can also make it tougher to play your A game, and you don't always play your A game, so Florida is one of a handful of teams that would give us a tough game, almost undoubtedly. I'd rather play Illinois again than Florida, personally.
 
Refs letting Purdue get away with all kinds of holds and grabs while Ohio State is trying to inbound
 
RuffRuff said:
Too much man, overflex. This is the kind of stuff that tilts too hard. Everyone would be “concerned” / they’ve got a NC level front court and coach. And two talented guards that have improved, and running through teams.

As much as I “glaze” good teams which is just acknowledging, it’s this kinda stuff that is so far to the other side. We were just down by 8 to Seton Hall with 7 to go at home. Please have some humility. It’s bad juju.

They were a possession away from beating Duke at Cameron. Cant cherry pick what you want for your flexes.
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I’m not flexing. UConn can very much not perform well and lose to them.

Again the only teams who “concern” me are the ones who I think can take our best punch and stand in the middle of the ring with us. Michigan and Duke fit that bill for me. Not Florida.

This isn’t saying Florida couldn’t win. They’re a 2 seed. Of course they could win. But if we play our best they won’t.
 
Mr. French said:
I mean, worry is a relative term. If we play our A game, I'm satisfied with whatever happens so if I know we're playing our A game, I'm not technically worried at all.

But, teams can also make it tougher to play your A game, and you don't always play your A game, so Florida is one of a handful of teams that would give us a tough game, almost undoubtedly. I'd rather play Illinois again than Florida, personally.
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A “rather” conversation is different. I like my chances against either. The 2 that would give us the most problems is Houston. They’re a souped up SH. And SH turned us over 16 times. Avoid that 2 seed if anyone. Florida doesn’t apply enough ball pressure to me to force us to play our worst
 
KingAG said:
A “rather” conversation is different. I like my chances against either. The 2 that would give us the most problems is Houston. They’re a souped up SH. And SH turned us over 16 times. Avoid that 2 seed if anyone.
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Don’t see that at all. Houston is not what we’ve seen the last few years. If you want to talk about quality wins, would love to see theirs. I think Florida would smack Houston. They’re very talented but uncohesive.
 
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KingAG said:
Now name the other times. They’re a inconsistent pairing.
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Feb 11th on the road vs Georgia, how much further do you want to carry the goalposts? Do I have to list every single game before you want to admit that you were wrong when it's already been done?
 
aceboon said:
Feb 11th on the road vs Georgia, how much further do you want to carry the goalposts?
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I’m not moving anything. They don’t perform well together on a consistent basis. And definitely not against the better teams.

You won. You proved they perform well together once in a while. Against Georgia and Texas
 
RuffRuff said:
Don’t see that at all. Houston is not what we’ve seen the last few years. If you want to talk about quality wins, would love to see theirs. I think Florida would smack Houston. They’re very talented but uncohesive.
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Neither of them have the quality wins. So that’s a wash. Next up is play style. Houston plays much more aggressive on the perimeter. I can see us struggling more against that play style. I think we can handle a tough front court. I worry about a team getting in our jerseys and the perimeter and not alllowing us to run our offense. That’s been our Achilles heel. We just turned the ball over 16 times against SH
 
Purdue is 5-6 in their last 11 games and the bracketologists still have them as a 2 seed. No way we’d get that benefit of the doubt despite our recent immense success in March
 
KingAG said:
A “rather” conversation is different. I like my chances against either. The 2 that would give us the most problems is Houston. They’re a souped up SH. And SH turned us over 16 times. Avoid that 2 seed if anyone. Florida doesn’t apply enough ball pressure to me to force us to play our worst
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And that game would be in Houston in the south regional too.
 
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Michigan is going to be hurt not having LJ Cason, now Elliot Cadeau has the pressure of being their only point guard.
 
Marat said:
And that game would be in Houston in the south regional too.
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I think fans use the word worried and concerned way too loosely. Whoever you play in the elite 8 will be good.
 
KingAG said:
Neither of them have the quality wins. So that’s a wash. Next up is play style. Houston plays much more aggressive on the perimeter. I can see us struggling more against that play style. I think we can handle a tough front court. I worry about a team getting in our jerseys and the perimeter and not alllowing us to run our offense. That’s been our Achilles heel. We just turned the ball over 16 times against SH
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Their perimeter defenders and hedging defenders are not the same.
 
KingAG said:
I think fans use the word worried and concerned way too loosely. Whoever you play in the elite 8 will be good.
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No one is worried - it’s fun anticipating and hoping for an ideal path. All part of the March process.
 
RuffRuff said:
Their perimeter defenders and hedging defenders are not the same.
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Sure. But they’re still good. And it’s the play style. Sampson still coaches and aggressive on ball defense. We’ll be able to run our stuff against UF. It’ll come down to making shots.
 
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