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Feb. 3 "top 16" reveal by the committee

azfan said:
ASU did beat Creighton at home. This is the Creighton team that just upset DePaul. While Creighton is not ranked and is in the middle of their conference would this be considered a quality win now?
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Creighton is a top 50 team, certainly. They've taken some losses in conference, but their best player Jaylyn Agnew was out with injury for a couple of those. More importantly, they have quality wins over West Virginia, Marquette, and now DePaul.

azfan said:
For example while it was a blow out the UCLA loss on the road was to a very good Arizona team. I wonder if ASU gets any benefit from their home upsets of the then ranked second and third Bucks and Beavers. Overall the Pac will put six teams in the big dance.
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The "benefit" is that ASU is no longer a bubble team. I'm not kidding -- without those two huge wins, ASU's only quality win would be over Creighton, and their RPI would be in the 40s. But thanks to those two wins, they're looking at a #5 seed right now.
 
DefenseBB said:
As a U of A fan, they should not be in the top 16...yet. Their OOC was pitiful and even worse was Adia defending it and not acknowledging she would be trying hard to improve it. She sidestepped that question so while this year's schedule was mostly done before they won the NIT last year with Reese and McDonald, next year, she doesn't have any excuses to not improve it.

After watching the city of LA vs. AZ matchups this weekend, UofA is pretty impressive and they will need to win on the road to warrant a better seed and see UCLA fall more as I think their OOC wasn't so awe inspiring either but still significantly better than Arizona's.

That said, I just want to see the Regionals all with attendance near the seating max:
Greenville-Bon Secours is 15,000
Dallas-Moody Coliseum is 7,000
Portland-Moda Center is 19,000
Ft.Wayne-Allen War Coliseum is 10,200

To do this, the committee needs Louisville and UConn in Ft. Wayne, SC in Greenville, any of Oregon or OSU in Portland and Baylor in Dallas. Short of that, the Regionals will have issues as they always do.
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If the NCAA wants to put butts in the seats, they'll put South Carolina as the #1 in Greenville, and NC State as the 2-seed/3 seed, and hope the Wolfpack Women make it to the second weekend. A high percentage of NC State alumni live in the southeast and they'll come out to support the team. And South Carolina has rabid fan support. Plus, fan bases of two other teams.

Sending NC State out to Portland would cut down on those who could afford to attend.
 
LETTERL said:
If the NCAA wants to put butts in the seats, they'll put South Carolina as the #1 in Greenville, and NC State as the 2-seed/3 seed, and hope the Wolfpack Women make it to the second weekend. A high percentage of NC State alumni live in the southeast and they'll come out to support the team. And South Carolina has rabid fan support. Plus, fan bases of two other teams.

Sending NC State out to Portland would cut down on those who could afford to attend.
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How dare you use logic when discussing the NCAA! Nan-I need a two week ban on LetterL...violating known protocol ;)
 
DefenseBB said:
As a U of A fan, they should not be in the top 16...yet. Their OOC was pitiful and even worse was Adia defending it and not acknowledging she would be trying hard to improve it. She sidestepped that question so while this year's schedule was mostly done before they won the NIT last year with Reese and McDonald, next year, she doesn't have any excuses to not improve it.

After watching the city of LA vs. AZ matchups this weekend, UofA is pretty impressive and they will need to win on the road to warrant a better seed and see UCLA fall more as I think their OOC wasn't so awe inspiring either but still significantly better than Arizona's.

That said, I just want to see the Regionals all with attendance near the seating max:
Greenville-Bon Secours is 15,000
Dallas-Moody Coliseum is 7,000
Portland-Moda Center is 19,000
Ft.Wayne-Allen War Coliseum is 10,200

To do this, the committee needs Louisville and UConn in Ft. Wayne, SC in Greenville, any of Oregon or OSU in Portland and Baylor in Dallas. Short of that, the Regionals will have issues as they always do.
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If you are U of A fan you should be happy she got all those home games and has got the local fans excites with more than 10,000 fans showing up. My guess is not too many high quality opponents will fly to Tuscon if they don't have to. She needs more home and homes, but I like Adia's approach. Reminds me how Scott built up Oregon State.
 
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PoppaBear said:
"If the committee doesn't seed Arizona it's a travesty."

Hard to believe butCharlie says Arizona's ooc schedule is ranked 337th
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Nice to see the committee is smarter than Creme. No Indiana, Zona at 13.
 
triaddukefan said:
Wow.... Arizona at 13... Maryland at 8
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I called Maryland at 8, I'm frankly shocked by Arizona at 13. They also really let MSU off the hook.

Message sent by the committee: Go out and schedule the 337th-ranked OOS and you will be rewarded.

Here's the committee's top 16.
  1. SC
  2. Bay
  3. L'ville
  4. Ore
  5. UConn
  6. Stan
  7. NCSt
  8. MD
  9. OSU
  10. MSU
  11. UCLA
  12. Gonzaga
  13. AZ
  14. DePaul
  15. Iowa
  16. N'western
 
Arizona example that quality losses (Oregon, Oregon State) trumps weak schedule?

Anyone care to impeach that reasoning.
 
azfan said:
Arizona example that quality losses (Oregon, Oregon State) trumps weak schedule?

Anyone care to impeach that reasoning.
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They do have some quality wins, like beating your devils twice.
 
The Maryland placement boggles the mind, and even I as a semi-Zona partisan wouldn't have put them that high. I guess they really care about good wins and don't care about bad losses or lil' sisters of the poor OOC schedules...
 
domerduck said:
They do have some quality wins, like beating your devils twice.
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#337 OOC schedule. That's just disgusting.

Indiana has a better win than anything Arizona has, AND they actually played a respectable OOC, and they get punished for it.
 
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domerduck said:
They do have some quality wins, like beating your devils twice.
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Okay, but those Devils beat Oregon and Oregon State and aren't in the Top 16....

I was hoping that Gonzaga would be higher, but understand why they are only 12. Essentially, any team that loses to Stanford is a 3 seed. :eek:
 
azfan said:
Arizona example that quality losses (Oregon, Oregon State) trumps weak schedule?

Anyone care to impeach that reasoning.
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Given this logic and the fact that the Pac has 11 ranked matchups remaining compared to 2 in the Big 10, could ASU slip into top 16 ahead of Northwestern Iowa with quality losses upcoming to Oregon OSU and Stanford as well sweep by Arizona that should be considered 2 quality losses?
 
I hate it.

I'm also extremely surprised that they didn't put Gonzaga into the Portland regional as they draw extremely well. It's interesting that they followed Geography for the 2 seeds, but then when it came to the 3 seeds, it was more of a matter of potential balancing out the regions, which is why Gonzaga likely couldn't go to Portland as a weak #2 is already there.

I was envisioning a regional of

1. Oregon
2. UConn
3. Gonzaga
4. DePaul

Now, doesn't that sound fun?
 
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garddog said:
NCAA is not credible if they keep jacking the seedings. They should put teams exactly where they fall.

1,8,9,16
2,7,10,15
3,6,11,14
4,5,12,13
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There's any number of reasons why they depart from the true S-curve: geography, conference affiliation, etc.

I like the fact that they now put the top teams in the same conference in separate regions. Wouldn't want to see Oregon have to play Stanford in the Elite Eight, for example.
 
Plebe said:
There's any number of reasons why they depart from the true S-curve: geography, conference affiliation, etc.

I like the fact that they now put the top teams in the same conference in separate regions. Wouldn't want to see Oregon have to play Stanford in the Elite Eight, for example.
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Playing favorites with UCONN is why everyone else gets screwed.
If they want the game to grow they need to stop screwing teams over to show favoritism to certain teams.
 
garddog said:
Playing favorites with UCONN is why everyone else gets screwed.
If they want the game to grow they need to stop screwing teams over to show favoritism to certain teams.
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Huh? What are you talking about? What the heck does this bracket have to do with alleged favoritism?
 
Plebe said:
Huh? What are you talking about? What the heck does this bracket have to do with alleged favoritism?
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If that is the ncaa bracket they flipped uconn to the closest city instead of where they should be.
 
Plebe said:
Huh? What are you talking about? What the heck does this bracket have to do with alleged favoritism?
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Only rationale I have is that they are upset that UConn didn't get shipped to Portland, but the committee placement makes absolute sense from a logic standpoint. There are no other #2 seeds within driving distance of Ft. Wayne, and UConn as the top #2 gets shipped there as it's the closest region to UConn
 
garddog said:
If that is the ncaa bracket they flipped uconn to the closest city instead of where they should be.
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Where should UConn be? As much as I'd want UConn to be elsewhere, the committee's logic on this one makes sense.
 
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garddog said:
If that is the ncaa bracket they flipped uconn to the closest city instead of where they should be.
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Before you make such angry allegations, you should learn a little more about how things work.

UConn went to the closest site because they were the top team on the #2 line. It has nothing to do with favoritism. If MSU were the top seed on that line, that's where they would've gone as well.
 
Plebe said:
Before you make such angry allegations, you should learn a little more about how things work.

UConn went to the closest site because they were the top team on the #2 line. It has nothing to do with favoritism. If MSU were the top seed on that line, that's where they would've gone as well.
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I think that Mississippi State would've gone to Dallas if they were the top #3 -- isn't Dallas closer than Ft. Wayne?
 
garddog said:
They should be against the 4 seed. Not the 3. Wherever that is.
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Okay, after tonight Oregon is the 3 Seed. Problem solved. Louisville is now the 4 overall.

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UCONN is actually set up pretty well regardless of what happens next week. They wont drop below a 2 unless they lose a conference game, and they likely avoid playing a road game in regionals as long as they finish ahead of Maryland. No one else has Fort Wayne as their closest regional destination so UCONN should slide in and get the nod in that region provided they finish ahead of Maryland in the committee's eyes.
 
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