Feb. 3 "top 16" reveal by the committee

[Plebe]

Playing favorites with UCONN is why everyone else gets screwed.
If they want the game to grow they need to stop screwing teams over to show favoritism to certain teams.

Huh? What are you talking about? What the heck does this bracket have to do with alleged favoritism?

 

[garddog]

Huh? What are you talking about? What the heck does this bracket have to do with alleged favoritism?

If that is the ncaa bracket they flipped uconn to the closest city instead of where they should be.

 

[Lorcan]

Huh? What are you talking about? What the heck does this bracket have to do with alleged favoritism?

Only rationale I have is that they are upset that UConn didn't get shipped to Portland, but the committee placement makes absolute sense from a logic standpoint. There are no other #2 seeds within driving distance of Ft. Wayne, and UConn as the top #2 gets shipped there as it's the closest region to UConn

 

[Lorcan]

If that is the ncaa bracket they flipped uconn to the closest city instead of where they should be.

Where should UConn be? As much as I'd want UConn to be elsewhere, the committee's logic on this one makes sense.

 

[Plebe]

If that is the ncaa bracket they flipped uconn to the closest city instead of where they should be.

Before you make such angry allegations, you should learn a little more about how things work.

UConn went to the closest site because they were the top team on the #2 line. It has nothing to do with favoritism. If MSU were the top seed on that line, that's where they would've gone as well.

 

[Lorcan]

Before you make such angry allegations, you should learn a little more about how things work.

UConn went to the closest site because they were the top team on the #2 line. It has nothing to do with favoritism. If MSU were the top seed on that line, that's where they would've gone as well.

I think that Mississippi State would've gone to Dallas if they were the top #3 -- isn't Dallas closer than Ft. Wayne?

 

[garddog]

They should be against the 4 seed. Not the 3. Wherever that is.

 

[garddog]

And it wont matter if they are 8, they will get ft. Wayne. Want to take that bet.

 

[Lorcan]

They should be against the 4 seed. Not the 3. Wherever that is.

Okay, after tonight Oregon is the 3 Seed. Problem solved. Louisville is now the 4 overall.

 

[bballnut90]

UCONN is actually set up pretty well regardless of what happens next week. They wont drop below a 2 unless they lose a conference game, and they likely avoid playing a road game in regionals as long as they finish ahead of Maryland. No one else has Fort Wayne as their closest regional destination so UCONN should slide in and get the nod in that region provided they finish ahead of Maryland in the committee's eyes.

 

[Plebe]

UCONN is actually set up pretty well regardless of what happens next week. They wont drop below a 2 unless they lose a conference game, and they likely avoid playing a road game in regionals as long as they finish ahead of Maryland. No one else has Fort Wayne as their closest regional destination so UCONN should slide in and get the nod in that region provided they finish ahead of Maryland in the committee's eyes.

It's Charlie's opinion that UConn won't fall below a 2 seed. I am not at all sure of that.

 

[bballnut90]

It's Charlie's opinion that UConn won't fall below a 2 seed. I am not at all sure of that.

I don't see them dropping below a 2 even if they get blown out by South Carolina. If they lose an AAC game, then they drop.

They'll need multiple teams to come on strong (ex. Mississippi State/UCLA/Maryland) to sneak ahead, and I don't see all of those squads making a strong enough surge to supplant UCONN. We'll see though.

 

[TheFarmFan]

I don't see them dropping below a 2 even if they get blown out by South Carolina. If they lose an AAC game, then they drop.

They'll need multiple teams to come on strong (ex. Mississippi State/UCLA/Maryland) to sneak ahead, and I don't see all of those squads making a strong enough surge to supplant UCONN. We'll see though.

If UConn loses @ South Carolina, their signature wins this season are at DePaul and vs. Tennessee at home. That is an awfully weak resume for a two seed.

Whoever in the PAC-12 is #2 behind Oregon will presumably have at least three more wins against UCLA/Stanford/Oregon State/Arizona/Arizona State.
If Stanford, they already have wins vs. MSU, Gonzaga, Tennessee, and @ Oregon State.
And UCLA will have @ Indiana, vs Arizona, vs and @ ASU, and potentially at least one of the Oregon/Oregon State/Stanford trio.
Same math for Oregon State, with wins vs. DePaul, vs. Missouri State, @ ASU, and the same possibility of wins vs. the other top PAC-12 teams.

MSU could have wins at Tennessee, vs. TA&M, @ Kentucky, and vs. Arkansas.

Maryland, given the way the committee seeded them, are already on their way to a two seed and they can still pick up wins @ Indiana, vs. Iowa on top of vs. Indiana, vs. Northwestern and vs. and @ Michigan.

NC State has wins vs. Maryland, Texas, FSU, and will have two chances for signature wins vs. Louisville (regular season and tournament). Split those - especially if they won the ACC Tournament- and NC State would be a very strong probable 2 seed.

 

[Plebe]

I don't see them dropping below a 2 even if they get blown out by South Carolina. If they lose an AAC game, then they drop.

They'll need multiple teams to come on strong (ex. Mississippi State/UCLA/Maryland) to sneak ahead, and I don't see all of those squads making a strong enough surge to supplant UCONN. We'll see though.

Best win over DePaul, who hopefully won't drop from a 4 seed.
After that, best wins are over teams seeded 8 and below: Tennessee, Ohio State.

The committee is inherently unpredictable, but that would probably be the weakest resume in history for a 2 seed.

But then again, if they put Mississippi State at a 3 just for beating LSU and Marquette, why not.

 

[PoppaBear]

State in Dallas to beat Baylor. I can live with that.

Please make it happen..

 

[Hayven]

Maryland as the 8 overall seed is comical. I like the Louisville-UConn match up, that a game the team can beat.

 

[Plebe]

Maryland as the 8 overall seed is comical. I like the Louisville-UConn match up, that a game the team can beat.

Not if you actually look at the resumes. Maryland, contrary to their historical tendency, has actually played a strong schedule this year (#11). They have no bad losses (worst loss is to #16 Northwestern), and they have 7 top-50 wins -- more than any of the other teams behind them except UCLA, who does have a bad loss to USC.

 

[bballnut90]

Not if you actually look at the resumes. Maryland, contrary to their historical tendency, has actually played a strong schedule this year (#11). They have no bad losses (worst loss is to #16 Northwestern), and they have 7 top-50 wins -- more than any of the other teams behind them except UCLA, who does have a bad loss to USC.

That Northwestern loss was brutal when it happened but doesn't look so bad now.

 

[eebmg]

Not if you actually look at the resumes. Maryland, contrary to their historical tendency, has actually played a strong schedule this year (#11). They have no bad losses (worst loss is to #16 Northwestern), and they have 7 top-50 wins -- more than any of the other teams behind them except UCLA, who does have a bad loss to USC.

and they pass my eye test. They are peaking. That was some dismantling of MSU last night and Mikasell seems to have turned it around as well.

 

[CamrnCrz1974]

As an aside, when many posters on a number of message boards attack Charlie Creme for not "getting it right" when it comes to his Bracketology, remember this thread - and what the committee does (and does not), the rules by which it complies (and the ones by which it does not), etc. Creme is not the amazing Kreskin (nor is he expected to be, notwithstanding the opinions of a few posters), but his job is exponentially more difficult when having to balance how and when the Committee chooses not to follow a particular rule, deciding which rule is more important than another, or to seed teams certain ways.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

I don't see them dropping below a 2 even if they get blown out by South Carolina. If they lose an AAC game, then they drop.

They'll need multiple teams to come on strong (ex. Mississippi State/UCLA/Maryland) to sneak ahead, and I don't see all of those squads making a strong enough surge to supplant UCONN. We'll see though.

Feels like the #2 line is very much up in the air for everyone.

 

[Plebe]

As an aside, when many posters on a number of message boards attack Charlie Creme for not "getting it right" when it comes to his Bracketology, remember this thread - and what the committee does (and does not), the rules by which it complies (and the ones by which it does not), etc. Creme is not the amazing Kreskin (nor is he expected to be, notwithstanding the opinions of a few posters), but his job is exponentially more difficult when having to balance how and when the Committee chooses not to follow a particular rule, deciding which rule is more important than another, or to seed teams certain ways.

When you're trying to identify and rank less than 5% of a vast pool of 351 teams, the variability in scheduling poses a major challenge. There are "primary" and "secondary" criteria, but infinite ways of interpreting and prioritizing them. Then you add the fact that the composition of the committee changes year to year, and I can only imagine that group meeting dynamics and the interplay of personalities can never fully be isolated from the process. Hence the inherent unpredictability.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

If the NCAA wants to put butts in the seats, they'll put South Carolina as the #1 in Greenville, and NC State as the 2-seed/3 seed, and hope the Wolfpack Women make it to the second weekend. A high percentage of NC State alumni live in the southeast and they'll come out to support the team. And South Carolina has rabid fan support. Plus, fan bases of two other teams.

Sending NC State out to Portland would cut down on those who could afford to attend.

As an attendee of the Sioux Falls Regional a few years ago, I wholeheartedly agree. At least Portland has a reasonable number of flights.

 

[cockhrnleghrn]

Many of our fans would rather see Oregon State in Greenville.

 

[Plebe]

Many of our fans would rather see Oregon State in Greenville.

Why?