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His defense (as well as CVs) was the main reason we were in those games which we ultimately blew during the mid season stretch. Yeah he made some horrific plays (as well as CV) during those games but they never were carried over to the other end. Most of those games we lost with a lead or tied in the stretch, were fairly low scoring thanks to the defense. The reason we won games down the stretch of the year were because he and CV made better decisions and made shots period. The defense was always there and much like Boat (not quite as good) he made the PG often start the offense at the hash mark rather than where the PG wanted to start the O.

I hope CV does a great job at WSU and enjoys his season because it was tough on him here.
He really left everything out there on defense and it was great to watch. Unfortunate that everything turned out the way it did and he just wasn’t able to put it all together at UConn but I hope he becomes the guy he was supposed to be at Wichita State.
 
Well, now that he's in the Pac-12, he doesn't need to worry about seeing many fans in league games.
Or better yet he can bring his clown act to the west coast. Thanks Hey Adrien! for that post. That truly is worthy of the term Clown boy.
 
He really left everything out there on defense and it was great to watch. Unfortunate that everything turned out the way it did and he just wasn’t able to put it all together at UConn but I hope he becomes the guy he was supposed to be at Wichita State.

But he did put it together and was a major reason we ended on such a high note. His last 6-7 games were exactly what we expected more consistently from him all year. I will remember his finish here, he and CV were tremendous to get us 19 wins.
 
But he did put it together and was a major reason we ended on such a high note. His last 6-7 games were exactly what we expected more consistently from him all year. I will remember his finish here, he and CV were tremendous to get us 19 wins.
That's nice to say and a nice way to remember him but it really isn't accurate. Over his last 7 games he averaged 6 points, 2.4 assists, and shot 39% fg.
 
AG is a warrior - on the court and in life
He has gone through so much physically and mentally
The team will miss him for sure and I will miss him.
I was always in his and CV's court even when 75% of those here and in the chat were killing them both.
I agree with Mau - this team doesn't come close to 19 wins without AG and CV - not even close
I wish AG all the best with GM and WSU - it is a great fit for him and that team
 
That's nice to say and a nice way to remember him but it really isn't accurate. Over his last 7 games he averaged 6 points, 2.4 assists, and shot 39% fg.

People love revisionist history.

In February/March games...

Isaiah Whaley 10.3/8.1/0.8 w/ 2.5 blocks
James Bouknight: 17.7/5.3/1.8 w/ 36% from 3.
Christian Vital: 20.5/5.2/2.6 and w/ 90% from the FT line

You're looking at the reason we won games late in the season. Christian elevated his game to be all-conference level. Bouk realized he is an NBA talent. And all the pieces came together for Whaley finally.

Rique during that same span: 7.0/2.2/2.3 (39% from the field) -- and 0.9 STL despite this heralded defense.

Before Bouk improved we didn't have a go-to second scoring option which made everything so much harder for CV. We couldn't defend the post with Carlton playing the bulk of the minutes at the 5, and our post touches were leading to 3+ TOs a game.

He is a great guy, with a ton of heart who loves the game of basketball. But AG just wasn't good enough to compete on our level.
 
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People love revisionist history.

In February/March games...

Isaiah Whaley 10.3/8.1/0.8 w/ 2.5 blocks
James Bouknight: 17.7/5.3/1.8 w/ 36% from 3.
Christian Vital: 20.5/5.2/2.6 and w/ 90% from the FT line

You're looking at the reason we won games late in the season. Christian elevated his game to be all-conference level. Bouk realized he is an NBA talent. And all the pieces came together for Whaley finally.

Rique during that same span: 7.0/2.2/2.3 (39% from the field) -- and 0.9 STL despite this heralded defense.

Before Bouk improved we didn't have a go-to second scoring option which made everything so much harder for CV. We couldn't defend the post with Carlton playing the bulk of the minutes at the 5, and our post touches were leading to 3+ TOs a game.

He is a great guy, with a ton of heart who loves the game of basketball. But AG just wasn't good enough to compete on our level.
What a completely backasswards reply.

Literally every coach who saw UConn play -- Gregg Marshall, Kelvin Sampson, Mike White, Shaheen Holloway, Dan Hurley, Bob Hurley, you name it -- saw Alterique as one of the best on-ball defenders they've seen. His pressure defense absolutely undressed Houston in our biggest win of the season and Florida in our other biggest win of the year. James Bouknight just called AG the best defender he's ever faced. Advanced metrics grade AG out as one of the best on-ball defenders in the country. It's very easy to find video like this one you should watch right now and this one you should watch even more closely showing visually how good he is on the ball as a defender. But, oh, you looked up his SPG numbers for a few games in his game log so I guess that settles it.

And all of those players emerging late in the season? That's when Alterique was able to stop doing things like trying to play 45 minutes of elite on-ball defense on one side and with the ball in his hands as our only capable ball handler in a 2OT game. We got a glimpse late in the season of AG in a system with pieces around him and another PG to spread minutes around with and it was absolutely without a doubt a player who was 'good enough to compete on our level.' Saying otherwise is simply false, which is why he transferred to a program that is competing at our level year after year right now.
 
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Could we stop this stupid all or nothing BS.

1. We finished the year with what, 7 players not counting Sid? All 7 had to contribute. All 7 had to be key pieces, but AG was far from THE key piece. As was said, Whalley, Bouk and Christian's improvements led the way.

2. AG was an outstanding defender throughout his career, and point guard defense may be the most underrated key to winning.

3. AG beyond struggled through the first 60% of the season, in part because for most of the year UConn didn't have anyone who could create their own shot, and that made it harder for everyone else. AG took it upon himself as the shot clock would down (as did CV to a lesser extent) and looked the worse off for doing it, but that is not exculpating his play either. Once Bouk emerged, everyone's life was easier. That allowed both CV and AG to play within themselves and stop having to force everything. Once that happened, CV started playing like the best player in the American, and AG upped his shooting percentage and reduced his turnovers. But, obviously, was not one of the players driving the bus.

4. As Marshall runs more of a structured offense, and less of waiting for an athletic player to make a play and get the defense moving, hopefully AG will not have to force things himself and will have a good year. But do I think we're going to miss him? Look, Hurley and staff would have taken him back from what I heard, but they also didn't believe he was going to be running the show this year. If we have a this year.

O.K?
 
People love revisionist history.

In February/March games...

Isaiah Whaley 10.3/8.1/0.8 w/ 2.5 blocks
James Bouknight: 17.7/5.3/1.8 w/ 36% from 3.
Christian Vital: 20.5/5.2/2.6 and w/ 90% from the FT line

You're looking at the reason we won games late in the season. Christian elevated his game to be all-conference level. Bouk realized he is an NBA talent. And all the pieces came together for Whaley finally.

Rique during that same span: 7.0/2.2/2.3 (39% from the field) -- and 0.9 STL despite this heralded defense.

Before Bouk improved we didn't have a go-to second scoring option which made everything so much harder for CV. We couldn't defend the post with Carlton playing the bulk of the minutes at the 5, and our post touches were leading to 3+ TOs a game.

He is a great guy, with a ton of heart who loves the game of basketball. But AG just wasn't good enough to compete on our level.

Bouk made both CV and AG improve no doubt. But I'm not sure what you were watching down the stretch can't agree at all with you here although I do agree quite often. And he was easily our best defender every game we played even when we gave games away. We were in them because of him, and CV at times. Whaley certainly helped too impressively no doubt. You made it sound like not having a go to made everything else harder on CV that's ridiculous. Imagine being the PG with your best shooter (CV) throwing up 28% from 3 with TO's and bad decisions on his shots? That was CV just like AG. Christian elevated his game to all conference because of Bouk, AG and Whaley period. I will check you numbers because they look off on the %'s too. Nonetheless he was as big a part as any of them as they all made each other better. And CV really made shots as he was more open than ever with Bouk wearing the target on O. Bad memory!
 
There are many ways to win. Having a PG who is a lock down defender is usually near the top of the list. Cuts the head off the dragon. UConn has won some nice championships with this formula
 
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AG has always been a little difficult to evaluate for me. He’s an extremely undersized 2 who’s best attribute is being able to defend PG’s.

The Cole/JG compliment that they know who to get the balll to before it’s even to them, and their ability to think a few passes ahead isn’t a trait that I’d say AG has. To say his defense and acceptance into a complimentary role wasn’t a contribution to our success at the end of the year tho Is incorrect
 
Wish AG nothing but the best but the people who are heralding AG's play as our saving grace down the stretch rather than Bouk and Whaley's emergence are airing on the side of delusion. We started winning when Gaffney became the starting PG and AG was moved to the bench lets not forget.
 
I love AG, a true warrior. he still has potential for an All AAC consideration. He really got a raw deal with injuries, timing, and the of the new influx of talent/ direction of the program.

hope he shines bright, he deserves it. I’ll be tuning into shocker games as often as I can
 
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Wish AG nothing but the best but the people who are heralding AG's play as our saving grace down the stretch rather than Bouk and Whaley's emergence are airing on the side of delusion. We started winning when Gaffney became the starting PG and AG was moved to the bench lets not forget.

No one said that man people read what they want. He was a bigger part of it than people like you give him. And by the way CV sucked too until Bouk came along so lets hold back with the CV talk too. Bouk was the major key because teams began to fear him on offense hence creating space. And both CV and Ag made better decisions and made shots as we came down the stretch. Gaffney, now that's overrated from my perspective. On one end he couldn't guard anyone on the other he made 'better decisions" because people were now making shots, Bouk became who he could be. And Gaff shot worst than anyone so let's see him make a shot before ehe's the key moving forward. He was also fairly the same as at the beginning coming down the stretch, he struggled and has a lot to prove this year still. The potential is there and I believe he shoots it better than he did but he has a ways to go. With Cole here and Diggins yet he may never get handed to PG spot to begin.

And by the way can you read the OT it was about AG? How dare I not include the obvious about how good everyone else was in a thread about Alterique Gilbert and WSU. :confused:
 
Wish AG nothing but the best but the people who are heralding AG's play as our saving grace down the stretch rather than Bouk and Whaley's emergence are airing on the side of delusion. We started winning when Gaffney became the starting PG and AG was moved to the bench lets not forget.
Oh stop, those who are sticking up for AG are responding to comments like he couldn't play at this level or won't be missed, not saying that Alterique was Kemba or Bazz down the stretch.

And it's time to stop this narrative that we 'We started winning when Gaffney became the starting PG and AG was moved to the bench' to rest for good. Correlation does not equal causation was invented for situations like this.

Some of those closes losses when AG started are wins if Gaffney was a productive backup during that stretch instead of being borderline unplayable and some of those close wins when Gaffney started are Ls if we don't have AG coming in and playing well. Yet 'We started winning when Gaffney became the starting PG' gives Gaffney the credit for that and punishes AG for helping us win.

UConn played a much easier schedule down the stretch, had production from TWO point guards instead of just one, Bouknight and Whaley took huge steps forward as the season went. Hell, AG started the Houston game because of it being Senior Night and outplayed Gaffney by a sizable margin the last two times we saw these Huskies.
 
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People love revisionist history.

In February/March games...

Isaiah Whaley 10.3/8.1/0.8 w/ 2.5 blocks
James Bouknight: 17.7/5.3/1.8 w/ 36% from 3.
Christian Vital: 20.5/5.2/2.6 and w/ 90% from the FT line

You're looking at the reason we won games late in the season. Christian elevated his game to be all-conference level. Bouk realized he is an NBA talent. And all the pieces came together for Whaley finally.

Rique during that same span: 7.0/2.2/2.3 (39% from the field) -- and 0.9 STL despite this heralded defense.

Before Bouk improved we didn't have a go-to second scoring option which made everything so much harder for CV. We couldn't defend the post with Carlton playing the bulk of the minutes at the 5, and our post touches were leading to 3+ TOs a game.

He is a great guy, with a ton of heart who loves the game of basketball. But AG just wasn't good enough to compete on our level.
There's a reason Alterique left. It's good for Alterique and good for UConn, I wish him well.
 
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There's a reason Alterique left. It's good for Alterique and good for UConn, I wish him well.

I am going to enjoy watching him make fools of the rest of the AAC. Wichita is probably the only AAC team I'll choose to watch for that reason alone.
 
I am going to enjoy watching him make fools of the rest of the AAC. Wichita is probably the only AAC team I'll choose to watch for that reason alone.
Not even sure I can bring myself to watch them, I want to pretend the AAC was all just a bad dream.
 

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