OT: ESPYs
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Thought the Arthur Ashe award was pretty amazing!
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As soon as I saw Danica Patrick trying to deliver some funny stuff I stopped tuning in. What are they thinking?
Like watching the All Star game with Joe Buck talking to IFs and OFers alike while they’re playing. Sports TV is really lame these days.
Like watching the All Star game with Joe Buck talking to IFs and OFers alike while they’re playing. Sports TV is really lame these days.
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The tiger woods and Ben Simmons jokes I saw on Twitter were funny.
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Was that the military guy and his disaster team? Would liked to have seen that.
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There was a LeBron hair transplant joke that didn't land in the room AT ALL but I thought was funny. And it was followed up by a JR Smith joke that killed.
The other 15 jokes were mostly misses.
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A lot of it's delivery. A pro like Bill Burr could have crushed that. He would have added some better jokes too of course.
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Didn't even remember they were on. I watch a DVR of UFC from Saturday night.
Truth be told, I stopped even respecting the ESPY's when Jenner got the Ashe Award. It even taints the Jimmy V speech a little.
Truth be told, I stopped even respecting the ESPY's when Jenner got the Ashe Award. It even taints the Jimmy V speech a little.
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Doesn't taint it. Flat out disrespects it though.
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I liked it also. Hard to pay attention I bet. My best laugh. Machado playing SS. Batter gets up, hits a double. Stands on the bag. Here comes Machado over to second base, takes out his cell phone and takes a selfie with him...lol Looked like the players were having fun. The way an all star game should be.
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The ESPYs are not my thing, at all, and I would have preferred abstaining from them entirely if not for the fact that I was in a room with a TV and no place else to go. That said, I get the sense that they're very constrained in what they can do and I don't blame Danica at all for some of the disastrous skits they attempted (the repeated attempts to inject gender into the skits were especially cringe worthy, and I say that as someone who has no problem with that sort of thing if it works). She's not a professional comedian, obviously, but she has the right temperament to host and that alone is half the battle.
The emotional stories are candid and well delivered, but it just doesn't make for great TV. I could also do without being force fed the new "survivors" label or however they're referring to sexual assault victims these days. I get that they're attempting to empower people who have endured horrific atrocities and deserve to be commended for their courage, but it's way too transparent and comes across as hollow. The purpose of the word survivor is literally to convey something completely different than what this suggests.
The emotional stories are candid and well delivered, but it just doesn't make for great TV. I could also do without being force fed the new "survivors" label or however they're referring to sexual assault victims these days. I get that they're attempting to empower people who have endured horrific atrocities and deserve to be commended for their courage, but it's way too transparent and comes across as hollow. The purpose of the word survivor is literally to convey something completely different than what this suggests.
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Didn't watch, but I like Danica. She's a trooper. While she may or may not have had some doors opened for her that wouldn't have for others...she's also had to face some stuff others probably haven't.
Seems to be a tough kid...and I like her. Not enough to watch the ESPYs...but hopefully she did OK.
Seems to be a tough kid...and I like her. Not enough to watch the ESPYs...but hopefully she did OK.
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Oh man, old Billy would be a great ESPYs host
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Not trying to turn this into a cesspool thread, but how does it disrespect it? Jenner being a garbage human being aside, to come out at live openly as transgender when you're such a masculine figure in a sports world that is very much behind the times when it comes to LGBT acceptance took amazing courage and guts and is something I can be sure none of us dorks on TBY would have the courage to do.
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Handing out an award for courage in the first place is asking for a political fight. People have far different definitions of the word. Enduring cancer treatment isn't an act of courage, it's a brutal consequence of something out of your control. They are victims. Soldiers are victims. People who are sexually assaulted are victims. If Jenner had killed herself like a lot of trans people unfortunately do, she would be a victim, and in my mind, equally worthy of the award.
Attempting to quantify these things is very problematic, especially when they are enforced in diametrically different ways. Our instinct to personify cancer - treating it like a mortal enemy that needs to be destroyed or conquered - as something other than a faceless disease only promotes the sort of infighting that will ultimately destroy us.
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I'll say...
That may be, but maybe enduring cancer treatment was never under consideration as the example of courage. "The brutal consequence of something out of your control," as you put it, has a binary result. The example of courageousness in this hypothetical is what one does when/how one handles facing (near certain) death.
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I just cant believe you guys watch this ESPYs crap! No offense to anyone but BSPN has become unwatchable since every other news story is on someone with cancer or social injustice. We`ve all had loved ones who had to deal with this terrible disease or some sort of injustice and i dont know about you guys but i like to watch sports as an escape from all the crap going on in the world and its like tuning in to BSPN your reminded every 5 minutes of it. Its like man ! i just want to see some scores and highlights i dont need a buzz kill of some kid who died or is dying or another #metoo victim.
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I made a similar comment to the fiancé about "Survivor" feeling forced/weird there. Interesting to see I wasn't the only one, as it didn't go over well when I mentioned.
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You are so right about sports being an escape. I know many people who battled cancer that watched sports as a distraction of sorts. I like that sports is being used to help fund the battle but the unintended consequence of people facing that battle not being able to escape it, even for a couple of hours, kinda sucks. Maybe take the awareness and fund raising outside of the events themselves? The way they are doing it now feels like virtue and victim signaling and the current victims are being robbed of their ability to escape through something they love.
Another thing that turned me off was when one of the "survivors" had to drag race into an issue that has NOTHING to do with race.
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I don't think you'll find anyone willing to challenge that sentiment. The semantics can be disputed, but it's absolutely important that people who endure these battles receive some form of recognition. It's not a horrible thing to provoke guilt once in a while, and while we often think of cancer patients as people who exhibit enviable strength, the reverse is often true as well. Our charity and attentiveness tends to humble people in crisis - like the comfort we provide surviving family members in times of grief, or the funds we raise to rebuild a house, or even the support we extend to those who have lost a job - in a manner that makes their life worth living even as it falls apart around them.
My main point is that an overarching crassness is implicitly and inadvertently built into the way we talk about cancer, and in the end, it probably understates their struggle. To some end, we lend someone a crutch at the expense of their power. Cancer isn't an experience that elevates character or modifies some intrinsic ideology, it's something that simply makes you more important. The same can be said, I think, for any human plight. Nothing humbles us like knowing people care. Nothing makes us want to live like knowing we have something important to share. Death comes for all of us at some point and we typically react to it in the same way, whether we're in a hospital or on death row. Some experiences are unique, though, and going through cancer treatment, especially at a young age, is definitely one of them. Nobody should have to do that and so the people who have should feel bigger. I would just call the award something else.