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ESPN's Way Too Early Rankings -- UConn moves up!

Or Oregon State who just was not a very good team last year

Have to disagree with that. They didn't finish the season well. It's a long season. They finished 3rd in the Pac 12, one of the two best conferences in the country. It's really hard to reconcile finishing just behind Oregon and Stanford and ahead of UCLA and everybody else with "just was not a very good team last year."
 
Have to disagree with that. They didn't finish the season well. It's a long season. They finished 3rd in the Pac 12, one of the two best conferences in the country. It's really hard to reconcile finishing just behind Oregon and Stanford and ahead of UCLA and everybody else with "just was not a very good team last year."

They weren't bad but they were a massive step below UCONN and any of the elite 8 schools. Last year they lost to 2-15 Washington in the Pac 12 tournament and nearly lost at home to Boise State in the first round of the NCAAs. To have them ranked ahead of UCONN is a joke.
 
I think it comes down to Carter's ability to play in a team setting for TAMU. She has a lot of flaws that I don't see disappearing. If you look at her numbers, she takes 20+ shots per game at a low clip (40.3% from the floor) and had a negative A/TO ratio. In conference play, she still took 20+ shots while shooting 38.9% and had a 45/61 A/TO ratio. They have several other capable offensive options but it can't be the Chennedy show if they want to be a legitimate Final Four contender. Put a good defender on her and you can easily win. Blair has seemingly given her the green light up to this point but she needs to get others involved and make better decisions if they'll be a top 5 team.
Agreed. That #10 spot is a good place for them, whether or not they rise or fall depends on Carter. They have several players who can put up big numbers and I saw that last year. She is clearly a capable guard that can see the floor and distribute, she just doesn’t like to pass the ball. She will literally only give the ball up sometimes because there’s two players on her and she can’t get the shot off. Every shot is not your shot. They really are capable of being a final four team, but if it’s the Carter show I don’t see it happening. She’s gotta pass the ball to keep the defense honest, if you’re always going to shoot, all they have to do is guard you...switch it up sometimes.
 
Texas A&M has everyone back, but until proven otherwise - I think they'll still live in the shadows of SC and Mississippi State - the former because their all-star talent might prove to be too much, and the latter because of the sheer number of men they have/and can rotate around. I see them as a tier below.
 
They weren't bad but they were a massive step below UCONN and any of the elite 8 schools. Last year they lost to 2-15 Washington in the Pac 12 tournament and nearly lost at home to Boise State in the first round of the NCAAs. To have them ranked ahead of UCONN is a joke.

I already said they finished poorly. Look at the season on the whole. They had Notre Dame on the ropes til a 4 minute stretch of the 4th quarter. Beat...ahem...the 2nd place team from the SEC. Played Oregon tough in Eugene and beat them in Corvallis. I think Notre Dame and Oregon qualify as 2 of the elite 8 schools from last year and they clearly weren't "a massive step below" them.
 
How he had Oregon State and Maryland over UCONN at any point is baffling IMO. UCONN has played in 12 straight Final Fours and has three double digit scorers returning while Maryland lost at home in the 2nd round (which MANY people predicted would happen), yet you think Maryland is going to sky up to be a better team than the Huskies? Or Oregon State who just was not a very good team last year is going to somehow become better than UCONN? Not buying it. Oregon/Baylor/UCONN are locked in as 1/2/3 in my opinion. Don't see a solid argument for another team to challenge them for a top 3 preseason ranking.
This makes no sense to me. UConn lost two players that was drafted high in the first round while Maryland lost one non-drafted player. Maryland had the 3rd best recruiting class with two top 20 players and UConn had one All American. Granted Maryland lost TWO second round home games, one where they were ranked the 3rd best team in the country. The inability to play well in the NCAA is probably do more to poor coaching than actually talent. If Westbrook does not get her waiver, I'm taking Maryland over UConn.
 
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UCONN has history on its side for sure. If Westbrook is not available in the 2019-20 season, I cannot see UCONN ahead of Stanford, Oregon, Baylor. I don't see the talent that replaces Collier & Samulson. I also believe UCONN could be beaten by a number of other teams including Texas A&M, & more PAC-12 teams. With the addition of Westbrook in the upcoming season, I do see UCONN as a top 5 team.
 
They weren't bad but they were a massive step below UCONN and any of the elite 8 schools. Last year they lost to 2-15 Washington in the Pac 12 tournament and nearly lost at home to Boise State in the first round of the NCAAs. To have them ranked ahead of UCONN is a joke.
That was last year. UCONN's roster doesn't replace the experience and extreme talent of Collier and Samulson (even with Westbrook). Oregon State will be improved from last year, and if Kat Tudor is back, will surely compete for the PAC-12 title.
 
Chennedy is a great player, I do not see any rational to drop Texas A&M based upon Pan American Games. I still believe they will be an top 5 ball club this year.
For A&M to be a top 5 team, they pretty much have to be the top team in the SEC and I really don’t see that happening this season. The Aggies will almost certainly be looking up at your Bulldogs, and likely several other conference teams by the end of the season.
 
This makes no sense to me. UConn lost two players that was drafted high in the first round while Maryland lost one non-drafted player. Maryland had the 3rd best recruiting class with two top 20 players and UConn had one All American. Granted Maryland lost TWO second round home games, one where they were ranked the 3rd best team in the country. The inability to play well in the NCAA is probably do more to poor coaching than actually talent. If Westbrook does not get her waiver, I'm taking Maryland over UConn.
Even without Westbrook, Maryland can’t beat UConn. I’m sorry they just don’t have what it takes to beat UConn. They need a coach to get them over the hump. Now I’m a fan of certain players at Maryland, but I’m not a fan of Maryland over UConn; let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
 
For A&M to be a top 5 team, they pretty much have to be the top team in the SEC and I really don’t see that happening this season. The Aggies will almost certainly be looking up at your Bulldogs, and likely several other conference teams by the end of the season.
They definitely are a top team in the SEC and may even be the team to beat in that conference if Blair can coach his team like he did for the 2011 championship.
 
That was last year. UCONN's roster doesn't replace the experience and extreme talent of Collier and Samulson (even with Westbrook). Oregon State will be improved from last year, and if Kat Tudor is back, will surely compete for the PAC-12 title.
Yes, UConn will never be able to replace the extreme talent of Pheesa & Lou, and UConn will never be able to replace the defensive brilliance of Gabby & Kia, and UConn will never be able to replace the Big 3....and yet, somehow, some way, the Huskies continue to make it back to the FF every year. :cool:

In response, please review my OP in the thread titled: The Sophomore Leap is Coming!
 
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Even without Westbrook, Maryland can’t beat UConn. I’m sorry they just don’t have what it takes to beat UConn. They need a coach to get them over the hump. Now I’m a fan of certain players at Maryland, but I’m not a fan of Maryland over UConn; let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
I think you're wrong. I wish they would have played this season instead of next season. Maryland has a complete 5 player starting lineup. Without Westbrook, UConn have 4 good starters and questions on the 5th. And heaven forbid ONO gets into foul trouble. With Westbrook it would be no contest. UConn easily. Without Westbrook, Maryland could take them. Too bad we can't find out for sure.
 
I think you're wrong. I wish they would have played this season instead of next season. Maryland has a complete 5 player starting lineup. Without Westbrook, UConn have 4 good starters and questions on the 5th. And heaven forbid ONO gets into foul trouble. With Westbrook it would be no contest. UConn easily. Without Westbrook, Maryland could take them. Too bad we can't find out for sure.
MD certainly has talent, but it’s hard to envision Brenda ever beating Geno head to head, with or without Westbrook. Last season, the Terps were outplayed in the Big10 conference tournament by a less talented Iowa team that just wanted it more and then were shocked at home in the 2nd round of the Big Dance by a 22-13 UCLA team.
 
I think you're wrong. I wish they would have played this season instead of next season. Maryland has a complete 5 player starting lineup. Without Westbrook, UConn have 4 good starters and questions on the 5th. And heaven forbid ONO gets into foul trouble. With Westbrook it would be no contest. UConn easily. Without Westbrook, Maryland could take them. Too bad we can't find out for sure.
I have to agree, that UCONN without Westbrook, is not as formidable as UCONN teams of the past. CW is a superstar in the making, but not there yet. CW is one of many superstars in the making in the NCAA WBB landscape. There are a number of guards across the country who are as talented as CW. What UCONN has that most teams don't have is Superstar coaching staff. Geno & CD will take UCONN along way, no doubt, but without Westbrook in the lineup, and without Collier & Samulson, UCONN is not the powerhouse of the past.
 
I have to agree, that UCONN without Westbrook, is not as formidable as UCONN teams of the past. CW is a superstar in the making, but not there yet. CW is one of many superstars in the making in the NCAA WBB landscape. There are a number of guards across the country who are as talented as CW. What UCONN has that most teams don't have is Superstar coaching staff. Geno & CD will take UCONN along way, no doubt, but without Westbrook in the lineup, and without Collier & Samulson, UCONN is not the powerhouse of the past.
I guess that’s your position and you’re sticking with it. I’m really looking forward to the post game discussion on February 4.
 
CW is one of many superstars in the making in the NCAA WBB landscape. There are a number of guards across the country who are as talented as CW.

Wrong. Name them.

UCONN is not the powerhouse of the past.

I don't believe anyone is arguing that. This season's team doesn't have to be a "powerhouse of the past" to make the final four. Last year's team wasn't a powerhouse team of the past and made the final four.

Next season will see the return of the powerhouse of the past.
 
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It's never "too early" to read about our Huskies. They have jumped from #7 to #3.... 1 and 2 remain the same, and rightfully so. (Oregon, Baylor). And there is still the matter of Westbrook....
"The most important part of the Huskies' season could come before it starts. The NCAA has yet to rule on the immediate eligibility of Tennessee transfer Evina Westbrook. UConn was initially confident that the Lady Vols' co-leading scorer from last season would be allowed to play right away, but a recent tightening of the transfer rules by the NCAA has made that decision less clear. "
Thanks. To me, Uconn shall prove better than 3, the good news is Depaul, Fla St, Arkansas all moving up to the top 10 (or near). The bad news is Westbrook is left in LIMBO and I'm sure to her and Geno it is more like Hell.
Holding the eligibility for her is near criminal--they NOW know whether she will be ready to go this season --so why the mystery and angst?
So the word is out... guess UCONN won't "sneak up" on the rest of NCAA WBB. ;);):cool:
On any given year regardless of UConn Ranking---any team that does not take a Geno led UConn seriously will pay the price.
 
I guess that’s your position and you’re sticking with it. I’m really looking forward to the post game discussion on February 4.

But the Feb 3 game is against Oregon, not Oregon State. That's a whole different kettle of fish.
 
I think you're wrong. I wish they would have played this season instead of next season. Maryland has a complete 5 player starting lineup. Without Westbrook, UConn have 4 good starters and questions on the 5th. And heaven forbid ONO gets into foul trouble. With Westbrook it would be no contest. UConn easily. Without Westbrook, Maryland could take them. Too bad we can't find out for sure.

Sorry. Until Maryland actually gives UConn a contest, let alone beat them, I'm going to assume UConn is significantly better than Maryland. Regardless of who the Terps put on the floor. Oh, and I think that you are significantly underestimating the talent on UConn's roster. Tell you what, get to the Final Four and we can play you then.
 
But the Feb 3 game is against Oregon, not Oregon State. That's a whole different kettle of fish.
Actually it’s a kettle of Ducks vs a kettle of beavers. I sort of feel that if UConn takes care of the top team in the nation at Gampel, that will put an end to any further discussion from Eugene, Corvallis, College Park, South Bend or Knoxville about UConn being less formidable, not being a powerhouse, etc.
 
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So you’re saying there’s a chance...:cool:
Are you reading that as 97 to 1 against? I prefer (paranoid me) to think is affirmative in nature. How can they leave a kid dangling/hanging in the breeze like this--isn't there a law against cruel and unusual punishment---oops for the NCAA this isn't unusual...
Confidence, UConn and the NCAA should never be used in the same sentence or paragraph or chapter or book. The NCAA is a southern centric and thoroughly corrupt old boys and old girls club. The odds of the waiver coming through? I'd say 97:1.
I resent the SOUTHERN REFERENCE----i LIVED IN NORWALK (SOUTHERN CT). THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about the old boyz in the NCAA. I read somewhere that next year GENO is starting an AACN and will do everything backwards from the NCAA it will be a relief.
 
Sorry. Until Maryland actually gives UConn a contest, let alone beat them, I'm going to assume UConn is significantly better than Maryland. Regardless of who the Terps put on the floor. Oh, and I think that you are significantly underestimating the talent on UConn's roster. Tell you what, get to the Final Four and we can play you then.
Jonathan---I'm not a fan of the MD coach in BB in Academics yes---however, I grit my teeth each time Uconn plays them it is nearly always a tough contest to the last minuets. Tough good games. Uconn usually wins but that does not mean ti wasn't or won't be a battle.
 
Maryland always beats UConn in September.
I thought this was very funny too.
If I was Maryland, I would not want to play UConn in the Elite 8 let alone the Final 4. Coaching is way more important in the tournament than the regular season. Matchups with be very interesting in the tournament this season.
 
I think you're wrong. I wish they would have played this season instead of next season. Maryland has a complete 5 player starting lineup. Without Westbrook, UConn have 4 good starters and questions on the 5th. And heaven forbid ONO gets into foul trouble. With Westbrook it would be no contest. UConn easily. Without Westbrook, Maryland could take them. Too bad we can't find out for sure.
I think as a Maryland fan you are super hyped by the recruiting class (similar to South Carolina fans)that you feel like your team is better than what they are in reality. Good recruiting classes doesn’t always means win; these freshmen have to adjust to college basketball. I’m excited for you guys as well, I love Owusu. You’re in over your head when it comes to UConn. Maryland is another program like Duke, Texas, Tennessee, and others in my opinion. They get loads of talent and never capitalize on it. Frese also likes to play cupcake schedules so she’s never battle tested to win in the post season. Outside of her 2006 championship and recruiting success I’m not impressed by Frese’s coaching ability. I will say that I’m impressed by the rebounding that she gets out of her team, wish we could’ve had that last year. Ultimately, Frese can’t beat Geno. Just can’t!
 
5 Pac 12 teams in the top 17? Something has to be wrong,
PAC-12 is easily best women’s basketball conference, top to bottom. Second tier teams routinely give conference’s top teams a battle. Last year Colorado, ranked early but dropping out of rankings after being hit with injuries, nearly beat Stanford with CU’s best player out with injury. As great as UConn is, it would probably never go undefeated in conference play if it were in the Pac-12.
 
Yes, UConn will never be able to replace the extreme talent of Pheesa & Lou, and UConn will never be able to replace the defensive brilliance of Gabby & Kia, and UConn will never be able to replace the Big 3....and yet, somehow, some way, the Huskies continue to make it back to the FF every year. :cool:

In response, please review my OP in the thread titled: The Sophomore Leap is Coming!
Well said. I was going to post something similar. Every year it's the same headline: how will UConn replace what it has lost? Since The Big Three left, all this "depleted" program has done is go 107-5 (.955), with three of those five losses coming in the national semi-final game (two of which were lost on buzzer beater prayer shots) with the other two losses coming on the road to the #3 and #7 teams, two undefeated regular seasons, zero losses at home, set a 111-game winning streak, three conference regular season and tournament titles, all while graduating a couple players to the pros every year. I may be going out on a limb here, but I think UConn will be fine this year.
 
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