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Not true. It was April 24, 2014, confirmed by Way Back and the ESPN archives:

  1. Women's college basketball - A very early look at the Top 25 for ...
    Charlie Creme
    Connecticut is the obvious pick as the top team when the Top 25 rankings are revealed this fall. Until then, we check in with our own Top 25.

    Story | Conversation | April 21, 2014
Getting back, and um, well no. I was looking at the ratings Creme gives in this article, which states that the byline as shown below is 7/29/2014, which up here at least means July 29, 2014.

So I will stick by my statement that the rankings I was looking at were done at the end of July of 2014. The statement attached to the UNC rating of #10 includes mention of the DeShields transfer, so unless you have a special in with Charlie and he told you he had advance info of DD's transfer almost two months before she announced it, I'm not sure why you would be saying that Charlie had a an extra good reason for dropping them down. But whatever.

Pre-preseason Top 25
7/29/2014 - Women's College Basketball


And to those who think that trotting out a bunch of the main traditional P5 programs and ignoring all the non-P5 teams except UConn means that Charlie does really well by getting 11 of the S16 teams teams right among his top 16, again fine, we all have different standards, and just like with the pundits who pick only #1 seeds to make the FF and slap themselves on the back when they're right this year, I'm not so impressed.
 
Depending on who lands the JUCO Player of the Year, 6'3 PF Evelyn Akhator of Chipola CC by way of Lagos, Nigeria -- FSU, Texas, Tennessee or Kentucky -- the Top 10 could be slightly altered. PF is definitely Texas' biggest question mark going into 2015-16.
 
Depending on who lands the JUCO Player of the Year, 6'3 PF Evelyn Akhator of Chipola CC by way of Lagos, Nigeria -- FSU, Texas, Tennessee or Kentucky -- the Top 10 could be slightly altered. PF is definitely Texas' biggest question mark going into 2015-16.

FSU lacks quality size beyond Bulgat..... if they can land this player...... they could really really challenge for first place in the ACC.
 
FSU lacks quality size beyond Bulgat..... if they can land this player. they could really really challenge for first place in the ACC.

Tenn needs her too. We have no one to back up Russell and/or Bash next year. Guess all three could use her.
 
We hate to say this but we feel if Duke is ranked lower than expected it probably isn't because of the quality of the players.........
 
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We hate to say this but we feel if Duke is ranked lower than expected it probably isn't because of the quality of the players....

Did Ron or Vida type this? What would Ron have Duke ranked as opposed to Vida ?
 
Tenn needs her too. We have no one to back up Russell and/or Bash next year. Guess all three could use her.
I don't think she's interested in being a backup to anyone. But, I'm sure she's looking closely at the depth charts.
 
Depending on who lands the JUCO Player of the Year, 6'3 PF Evelyn Akhator of Chipola CC by way of Lagos, Nigeria -- FSU, Texas, Tennessee or Kentucky -- the Top 10 could be slightly altered. PF is definitely Texas' biggest question mark going into 2015-16.
Last I read Evelyn Akhator was holding offers from LadyVols, South Carolina, Florida & FSU, did not realize Texas, & Kentucky were in the mix. Who else?
 
Last I read Evelyn Akhator was holding offers from LadyVols, South Carolina, Florida & FSU, did not realize Texas, & Kentucky were in the mix. Who else?

She supposedly narrowed down her choices to a final 4: FSU, Tenn, Texas and Kentucky. I believe has already taken an official visit to FSU...was suppose to visit TX and KY next with Tenn being her last visit in a couple weeks. (I don't know the timing of it all specifically).
 
So I will stick by my statement that the rankings I was looking at were done at the end of July of 2014. The statement attached to the UNC rating of #10 includes mention of the DeShields transfer, so unless you have a special in with Charlie and he told you he had advance info of DD's transfer almost two months before she announced it, I'm not sure why you would be saying that Charlie had a an extra good reason for dropping them down. But whatever.

And to those who think that trotting out a bunch of the main traditional P5 programs and ignoring all the non-P5 teams except UConn means that Charlie does really well by getting 11 of the S16 teams teams right among his top 16, again fine, we all have different standards, and just like with the pundits who pick only #1 seeds to make the FF and slap themselves on the back when they're right this year, I'm not so impressed.

The original rankings were done when I said, confirmed by ESPN. The list was updated after DeShields transferred.

As for your "ignoring" the other teams, Creme had Dayton at 19. You do not think 11 out of 16 is impressive, but considering he had Dayton at #19 clearly shows that the Flyers were a candidate to make the Sweet 16.

You are also holding Creme to a tournament standard based on preseason rankings. The rankings cannot factor in home court, injuries, etc. that go on throughout the season.

For those who criticize the preseason rankings one year later and engage in Tuesday Morning Quarterbacking, I ask where your preseason lists are or present an analyst who did significantly better.
 
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I put Baylor at #2. Agbuke was rarely a factor and is being replaced by two top post recruits. The lack of a good post presence was Baylor's weakness last season.

But it's the addition of Alexis Jones that will make the biggest difference. She can be a go-to player.
 
I don't think she's interested in being a backup to anyone. But, I'm sure she's looking closely at the depth charts.
Agree, if you're transferring in as a Jr, you're not looking to be a back up at that point in your career. Or at least you shouldn't be.
 
I put Baylor at #2. Agbuke was rarely a factor and is being replaced by two top post recruits. The lack of a good post presence was Baylor's weakness last season.

But it's the addition of Alexis Jones that will make the biggest difference. She can be a go-to player.
Gonna have to agree with you here. I think Baylor has a good shot as a FF team next year.
 
South Carolina got a visit this past weekend from UVa transfer, Sarah Imovbioh. I thought I had read that SC didn't have any 'ships to award, but perhaps that was inaccurate.
 
After some thinking, my preseason top 10 would be

1. Uconn
2. Baylor
3. South Carolina
4. Notre Dame
5. Lady Vols
6. Maryland
7. Duke
8. Florida State
9. Ohio State
10. Louisville
 
South Carolina got a visit this past weekend from UVa transfer, Sarah Imovbioh. I thought I had read that SC didn't have any 'ships to award, but perhaps that was inaccurate.

I believe they currently have 13 players for next year. Their roster for 13-14 shows the max of 15 but they lose 3 seniors and only gain one incoming freshman.
 
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I put Baylor at #2. Agbuke was rarely a factor and is being replaced by two top post recruits. The lack of a good post presence was Baylor's weakness last season.

But it's the addition of Alexis Jones that will make the biggest difference. She can be a go-to player.

I'm scared of what Alexis Jones can do if she's healthy and playing for a very good offensive coach like Mulkey.
 
After some thinking, my preseason top 10 would be

1. Uconn
2. Baylor
3. South Carolina
4. Notre Dame
5. Lady Vols
6. Maryland
7. Duke
8. Florida State
9. Ohio State
10. Louisville

I pick Louisville as #5 in the ACC.......

I'm scared of what Alexis Jones can do if she's healthy and playing for a very good offensive coach like Mulkey.

As a fan who roots against Baylor.... Im scared too :oops:
 
The original rankings were done when I said, confirmed by ESPN. The list was updated after DeShields transferred.

As for your "ignoring" the other teams, Creme had Dayton at 19. You do not think 11 out of 16 is impressive, but considering he had Dayton at #19 clearly shows that the Flyers were a candidate to make the Sweet 16.

You are also holding Creme to a tournament standard based on preseason rankings. The rankings cannot factor in home court, injuries, etc. that go on throughout the season.

For those who criticize the preseason rankings one year later and engage in Tuesday Morning Quarterbacking, I ask where your preseason lists are or present an analyst who did significantly better.
Nope, your link went to a preview for July 29, 2014. As said, up in the Northeast that actually does mean July not April. Lists that get updated to information in July are therefore considered to be published in July in the media world, not the April date you wish to push. As one who has worked for many decades in the publishing world I'll be happy to explain it to you. The original date that an article is published is called the "Original Pub Date." The date that an article got updated with an author's revisions, corrections, or new alterations now that he has learned that someone named DeShields had transferred is called the "Article Updated" date is considered the new publication date of an article. I stated back in my first post that the date of publication was July 29, 2014, which was correct. If you wish to try to explain away all changes done to a revised article as meaningless, that is your option, but in the real world of media you are in the dark.

Again, in the world of women's basketball where everything goes fairly close to the mark, 11 of 16 or a 68% accuracy mark doesn't seem to me to make the grade for being an expert pundit. Is a 68 at Duke a passing grade? I hope not, though maybe at UNC it is. Charlie got 100% for the brackets and I gave him big kudos for a tremendous prediction job there when general feeling was that he was brainless, partly for not giving Princeton the seed that many fans thought the Tigers deserved, even though Charlie knew that the seed he gave Princeton was probably going to be better than the 8th seed that the committee decided to go with.

Can anyone do as well as Creme? Here's suggestion. Just trot out the same 16 teams listed in the final post season poll of the USA Today list. You would have got 11 of the S16 teams in 2014 from the final 2013 poll and 10 of the S16 teams in 2015 from the 2014 poll. Okay, that's only an average of 10.5 of 16, which I guess Charlie did manage to beat by a smidge. Really impressed.

As said, we all have our standards, and if a 68 is a wowser in these days of grade inflation, you definitely win, Cam.
 
My top ten
UConn
Tennessee
South Carolina
Notre Dame
Baylor
Maryland
Louisville
Duke
Texas
Stanford
 
Stanford lost Orrange and Bonnie Samuelson, and I don't think they have much in reserves. Not sure I'd put them top-20.
 
Its a little early for me to pick the top teams but I will say this. Top 5 teams will need good guard play a good outside inside game and good coaching. SC lacks good scoring guards and good outside shooting. Has better guard play, a go to player and an "iffy" post player who could turn out to be good but not next season. If DD is taking all the shots Tenn will not make the FF. If Russell is not 100% and or "iffy" Tenn will not make the FF. Its UConn and everybody else.

I would think a lot of teams are licking their chops knowing Stewie and Mojeff are graduating. Not so fast. UConn has chemistry and play team ball. Not many teams do that. I would not be surprised to see another team other then SC and Tenn be in the FF. I would also not be surprised if both SC and Tenn were in the FF . But no team will beat UConn.
 
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holly has said in two different interviews that Mercedes is absolutely 100%. Hopefully she will get a chance to show us what she's got with two healthy feet next year.

FWIW (I don't claim to be an expert)
My top 5
1. UCONN
2. ND
3. Baylor
4. TN
4. S Carolina
 
Some of thoughts:

6. MD - they were a very young team this year and I think surprised a lot of people. They should be better next year just with maturity and experience and they lost no one.
The Terps lost Lauren Mincy, who was a highly regarded recruit out of high school and a 13.6 ppg scorer this season.
 
Don't think I have put my 2 cents in ever on top teams for coming season..... for 15-16 it would have to be this

1. UConn
2. Notre Dame
3. South Carolina
4. Baylor
5. Texas
6. Tennessee
7. Maryland
8. Florida State
9. North Carolina
10. Louisville
11. Duke

Even without Loyd, Muffet has proven her skill to compete at highest level. USC, I am hesitant labeling them #3, as I do not think they are solid, but a worthy choice to go far.... Baylor, Kim ain't great, but she is good, and the front court will be good and I love Nina Davis. Texas is the looming beast I expect to show its teeth..... Tennessee - I am always a Holly suspect, so that falls to Diamond's contribution, it is all on you DD! .... Maryland, why not another year? Never a great MD believer but hey they are worth something here. FSU why nobody is recognizing them? UNC still got the stuff... didn't they almost take out USC in Elite 8? Louisville..... I normally discount recruits, but did you see Asia Durr in last year's world's? and Duke cause they always get the big name recruits..... Coach P should already have been purged.
 
Everything I read states a maximum 15 scholarship student-athletes for Division I WCBB, but I can't find anything that pertains to non-scholarship walk-on players. USC had 14 scholarship players for 2014-15 and one walk-on in So. India Farmer. Coach Staley was prepared to use her final, 15th scholarship for Shakayla Thomas for the 2014 class, but she chose FSU over USC.

So with the departures of Welch, Ibiam, and Gaines and the addition of Coffey that would be a roster of 12 scholarship players and 1 walk-on. I don't know if Farmer would have to leave the team should Staley want to give out all the available scholarships (15 players max, regardless of scholarship or not), or if she could have 16 players on roster with 15 scholly players + 1 walk-on. But she'll still have 3 available scholarships past Coffey, just the same. We may see one additional player join Coffey for the '15 class (perhaps a JUCO big), but I'd be surprised to see more than that...
Walk-ons do not count as scholarship athletes unless the team chooses to give them a scholarship for a year or more. The rule allows an unlimited number of non-scholarship athletes on any team but most coaches find 15 players to be really too many - practice time is limited by rules and with too many players either some are left standing around, or the time gets too diluted (as well as the coaches attention.
In the past few years two teams I am aware of needed to creatively manage scholarships I believe - UNC with the Diamond class of five, and I believe Baylor - scholarship athletes on the team already needed to go - either not using their fifth year, or finding a new team with the chance of playing time.

Geno I believe has said that 12 is ideal - allows 5 on 5 practice with insurance against injury/illness during the year. And is not so unwieldy that the coaches can't be focused on everyone.
 
The Terps lost Lauren Mincy, who was a highly regarded recruit out of high school and a 13.6 ppg scorer this season.
Mincy did get a lot of attention at the end of season as the the senior leader though she did have a very disappointing game against UConn in her FF finale, possibly because the Huskies might have focused on her a bit. HoopGurlz has their incoming recruits at forward as #15 Brianna Fraser and #27 Kiah Gillespie and other services seem to rank them higher, so they seem to be adding some quality and a little more height to this year's three-guard starting rotation that loses Mincy.
 
Mincy did get a lot of attention at the end of season as the the senior leader though she did have a very disappointing game against UConn in her FF finale, possibly because the Huskies might have focused on her a bit. HoopGurlz has their incoming recruits at forward as #15 Brianna Fraser and #27 Kiah Gillespie and other services seem to rank them higher, so they seem to be adding some quality and a little more height to this year's three-guard starting rotation that loses Mincy.
Gillespie looked good in the AA games. Not that it means anything, but she had no problem imposing herself on the game. Maryland should probably win the B1G next year and get a good seed. Not sure they'll make the FF again, but they have a shot.
 
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