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ESPN: Stewie NPOY, Geno COY, KLS FOY! (merged threads)

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sarals24 said:
Truly amazing, seeing as how she didn't get a single vote in her own conference!
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Did I hear correctly that Ms. Laksa was a unanimous choice for AAC FOY? If so, astonishing that Samuelson was the unanimous choice for National FOY.
There'll be more opportunity for comparison when post-season play occurs. Looking forward to it.
 
Congratulations to Lou!!! She deserves FOY and more. I am glad the votes realize there so more to a complete player. Lou is great at passing, playing defense, sharing as a team player with a high basketball IQ and of course scoring. She does this on the best team in the nation against some of the highest level completion in less than full minutes like all the UCONN starters. I would take Lou hands down over any other freshman and I am glad to see the votes also appreciate her talents.
 
It is sad to see some fans do not appreciate her or are they other fans with sour grapes??
 
feste said:
Did I hear correctly that Ms. Laksa was a unanimous choice for AAC FOY? If so, astonishing that Samuelson was the unanimous choice for National FOY.
There'll be more opportunity for comparison when post-season play occurs. Looking forward to it.
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3/8/2016, UConn 77, USF 51
KLS, 34 mins, 7 rebs, 2 asts, 2 stls, 13 pts
Laksa, 24 mins, 0 rebs, 1 ast, 1 stl, 3 pts
 
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I don't think Laksa could start on UCONN -- I was not impressed at all when I saw her play against UCONN!! Also how did she get unanimous FOY in the conference when Lou destroyed Temple (that couch should have given her at least one vote amount others) and Lou got 4 Freshman of the weeks compared to 3 for Laska??....also Laska does not play all aspects of the game at a high caliber!! What coach in the American conference would not take Lou over any other freshman - including Laksa?? Perhaps that explains why they are getting beaten by so many points when they play UCONN!
 
I was surprised than Lou was named FOY. But I'll take it. Her growth over the season has been stunning. Her all-around game is really starting to show. Lou is not a one dimensional player as many thought.

And everyone should read the comments on the ESPN article. Someone actually suggested that Silvia Hatchell should be COY! A lot of UCONN haters coming out of the woodwork.
 
I wonder if the writers don't deliberately make at least one controversial choice. Last year they had Loyd as POY - everyone else had Stewie. It got their little award talked about.

So either they are trying for more controversy or.... The decided that they better stop voting against UConn players as it never works out well for them! ;)
 
divots said:
Player GP-GS Min Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg

31 Anigwe,Kristine.... 31-30 929 30.0 233-409 .570 0-1 .000 169-224 .754 108 181 289 9.3 107 3 19 114 37 33 635 20.5

Team Record 15 – 17

30 Brianna Stewart 32 17 746 23.3 124-256 .484 68 176 .386 30-36 .833 16 90 106 3.3 40 0 75 39 5 35 346 10.8

Team Record 32 - 0

Perhaps the impact on team performance and the level of competition trumps individual player stats.....Anigwe is a terrific player but if I'm a college coach or WNBA GM my $$$ are on Lou.
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Maybe just a minor Freudian slip here? ;)

BTW, as Kibitzer would say, ahem, its Breanna.
 
sarals24 said:
Truly amazing, seeing as how she didn't get a single vote in her own conference!
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It is just a little odd, eh? (I threw in some Canadian, as Geno did when talking with Kia recently) ;)
 
chrissaran said:
Compare Lou's numbers to Laksa's and there's no comparison, and Lou is so much more than the numbers. Laksa is a spot-up shooter, and unless she's open, she'll have difficulty hitting her shot. Her 3 pt percentage is 42.5 and overall 39.7. That means her two pt percentage is low. Lou on the other hand is hitting 48.4 overall and her 3 pt percentage is consistently improving. Rebounds Lou 106-64, assists Lou 75-20, steals Lou 35-10, and 6 fewer turnovers. Most importantly she is becoming a complete player who needs to increase her upper body strength, so she can be more effective on the glass and in the post.
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All Lou needs to match Laksa is a 38-point game. But she'll have to do it fast, before Geno subs her out. ;)
 
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bags27 said:
Yes, but when you have 3 AA's returning (one of them again the NPOY), plus the NFOY, plus Kia and Gabby, I mean come on. I think Geno is the lifetime greatest coach by a huge, huge margin. But if these folks were really looking to see what some coaches have done at schools that cannot recruit McDonald's AAs, it's kind of unfair to them. Like giving another Oscar [trade mark acknowledged :)] to Meryl Streep: of course she's a great, great actress (my all-time favorite in fact), but she also commands only the very best parts.
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Coach bemoaned the loss of a great defender/shot locker and an automatic 3-point shooter. This year's team is different and maybe even better, but its not as good at a couple of things as last year's team. Kiah and Kaleena were the best around at what they did.
 
MilfordHusky said:
All Lou needs to match Laksa is a 38-point game. But she'll have to do it fast, before Geno subs her out. ;)
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Yes, I think her "legal" limit is 21 points. She's not taken a shot after she reaches that point total. He's trying to keep her a bit undercover and a bit anxious, but that's not working very well for him....
 
Orangutan said:
Stewart's numbers are outstanding. 19.2, ppg 8.3 rpg, 125 assists, 2.65 A/TO ratio, 107 blocks, 53 steals, 58.2 FG%, 41.2%, 82.2 FT%. All of those numbers are great and for one player to do all of that is ludicrous. So I actually think that she IS the player of the year from a numbers standpoint.

Using Stewart as an example of a player whose greatness is inadequately measured by stats doesn't work at all for me.
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Agreed. Her scoring is clearly behind Plum, Banham, and K. Mitchell, for example, and the rebounding is behind Jenkins et al., but the breadth of stat stuffing that Stewie does is unprecedented. Look at the breadth as well as the depth.
 
MilfordHusky said:
Coach bemoaned the loss of a great defender/shot locker and an automatic 3-point shooter. This year's team is different and maybe even better, but its not as good at a couple of things as last year's team. Kiah and Kaleena were the best around at what they did.
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I don't dispute, but as you suggest, this team might be better. It's always a moving target, and one can't look back to those types of losses and complain. But next year, well, with what Geno loses this year, that's a whole 'nother story. Geno pulls off something like this next year, and he gets the award named after him.
 
bags27 said:
I don't dispute, but as you suggest, this team might be better. It's always a moving target, and one can't look back to those types of losses and complain. But next year, well, with what Geno loses this year, that's a whole 'nother story. Geno pulls off something like this next year, and he gets the award named after him.
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Yep, each team has its strengths and weaknesses. Geno said all season that we are a work in progress. He also says he likes our chances.
 
If Geno let Stewie play 35-40 mins, Stewie's stats won't be only 19.3 pts. 8.3 rebs per game
But I think Geno and Stewie's focus is #4 NC not the ppg or rpg.
As for Lou, I am just so happy Geno recruited her. LouConn is our star next year.
 
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divots said:
Player GP-GS Min Avg FG-FGA Pct 3FG-FGA Pct FT-FTA Pct Off Def Tot Avg PF FO A TO Blk Stl Pts Avg

31 Anigwe,Kristine.... 31-30 929 30.0 233-409 .570 0-1 .000 169-224 .754 108 181 289 9.3 107 3 19 114 37 33 635 20.5

Team Record 15 – 17

30 Brianna Stewart 32 17 746 23.3 124-256 .484 68 176 .386 30-36 .833 16 90 106 3.3 40 0 75 39 5 35 346 10.8

Team Record 32 - 0

Perhaps the impact on team performance and the level of competition trumps individual player stats.....Anigwe is a terrific player but if I'm a college coach or WNBA GM my $$$ are on Lou.
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If Anigwe had numbers like only 19 assists and 114 turnovers for UConn would she be playing?
19 assists tells me the ball goes in to the post and rarely is kicked back. Perhaps Anigwe hasnt been introduced to the other 4 players on the court.

Another thing. How can a big, who basically shoots from 3-5 feet away from the hoop, turn the ball over 114 times?
 
ochoopsfan said:
If Anigwe had numbers like only 19 assists and 114 turnovers for UConn would she be playing?
19 assists tells me the ball goes in to the post and rarely is kicked back. Perhaps Anigwe hasnt been introduced to the other 4 players on the court.

Another thing. How can a big, who basically shoots from 3-5 feet away from the hoop, turn the ball over 114 times?
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She should go to Tenn, and be a good friend of DD, and the new Miss TO.
 
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It's difficult comparing a wing to a center. Samuelson and Anigwe couldn't be more different. Making relative judgments on these two great freshmen is near impossible. But...

Anigwe was very productive in terms of scoring(20.5) and rebounding(9.0). She shot an impressive 57% from the field, but that's a bit deceptive because she is a center with little range, who lived in the lane and never took a shot outside the paint (oops, she was 0-1 from three).
Lou 'only' scored 10.8 ppg and grabbed 3.3 rebounds pg., and while she was very effective driving to the basket, a great many of her shots were from long range where she went a solid 68-176 (39%). One can only take very high percentage shots while the other has great range and versatility. And Lou's rebounding stat was fine for a kid who spent so much time outside the arc.

Anigwe rarely passed the ball- she had only 9 assists all year long- that's one assist every 3 games. Yikes! Lou had 75 assists.
Anigwe turned the ball over at a very high rate (3.1 t/o per game, 114 total). Lou had a total of 39 turnovers, or 1.3 per game.

They had pretty much the same number of steals (Lou 35, Anigwe 33), while as would be expected Anigwe led in blocks 37-5. But consider this- Anigwe's 1.2 blocks per game would rank 4th on this year's UConn team- not a very good number for a big center. That's not helping the team much.

Anigwe started 30/31 games to Lou's 17/32, playing 180 more minutes than Lou, affording her lots more game time to compile more impressive numbers.

So, is it more or less difficult to get national recognition like this ESPNw award stuff when you play with 3 legitimate All-Americans and your individual stats are never going to be eye-popping because you are required to play an absolutely unselfish team game, or be benched? When it's only about winning and sharing the ball, and individual numbers don't matter?

Also, are great scoring stats less meaningful if you are the go-to-guy, the best player and the #1 focus of your team's offense, with your teammates doing everything they can to get you the ball down low for 'easy' baskets? As opposed to being the 3rd or 4th scoring option on your team?

I was surprised to see how many posters thought it should have been an Anigwe runaway. When you look at all the numbers, not getting caught up in points scored and then consider the different positions played and the very different nature of the teams Lou and Kristine played for, it seems a reasonable case could be made for either Katie Lou Samuelson or Kristine Anigwe.

I'LL TAKE LOU.
 
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FWIW....Anigwe's 43 point outburst came against a then 1-5 Sacramento State team (finished season at 14-17) whose roster includes 2 players listed on their roster as 6'1 and 1 player listed as 6'0....more than half their team is made up of players 5'7 and under....I am not belittling KA's skills or that game's performance; 43 points is impressive....this being said, there probably wasn't a dogfight going on in the lane that prevented her from easy access to the hoop....regardless of the competition, Anigwe put up a boatload of points and was the cornerstone of a her team....A to TO ratio would probably put her closer to me in the stands than to Geno on the bench....should be interesting to watch Lou and Kristine hone their games over the next 3 years....
 
someone from baylor....who will imo definately win the title next year will win npoy. maybe Turner or Wilson, teams will key in on morgan to much.
 
Huskies Rule said:
It's difficult comparing a wing to a center. Samuelson and Anigwe couldn't be more different. Making relative judgments on these two great freshmen is near impossible. But...

I was surprised to see how many posters thought it should have been an Anigwe runaway. When you look at all the numbers, not getting caught up in points scored and then consider the different positions played and the very different nature of the teams Lou and Kristine played for, it seems a reasonable case could be made for either Katie Lou Samuelson or Kristine Anigwe.

I'LL TAKE LOU.
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I agree 100%. I am also surprised by the posters who think Anigwe deserved it more than KLS. If you extrapolate some of the statistics, like more turnovers and more fouls (Anigwe) lead to more points for the other team, and more assists (KLS) lead to more points for your team, it becomes clearer. Well said that both KLS and Anigwe are deserving. UConn fans need not be bashful about the great bounty of talent the team has. It is what it is. The players should be rewarded.
 
divots said:
FWIW....Anigwe's 43 point outburst came against a then 1-5 Sacramento State team (finished season at 14-17) whose roster includes 2 players listed on their roster as 6'1 and 1 player listed as 6'0....more than half their team is made up of players 5'7 and under....I am not belittling KA's skills or that game's performance; 43 points is impressive....this being said, there probably wasn't a dogfight going on in the lane that prevented her from easy access to the hoop....regardless of the competition, Anigwe put up a boatload of points and was the cornerstone of a her team....A to TO ratio would probably put her closer to me in the stands than to Geno on the bench....should be interesting to watch Lou and Kristine hone their games over the next 3 years....
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BTW the final score in this game was Cal 117 Sacramento State 99 with Cal scoring 82 points in the paint against the diminutive Hornets who somehow still managed to fall only a single point short of the century mark themselves.
 
As I recall, a few years ago, espn thought Jewell Loyd was POY over Stewie. Sometimes, espn doesn't get it right. Lou is a really good player who keeps improving. I went to every game Cal played at home. Some nights Anigwe was the offense. She was often double and sometimes triple teamed. It's not so easy to score when everyone knows the ball is going to be thrown inside. Cal's offense, often, is spectacularly unimaginative. They were hard to watch. But Anigwe had the better year.
 
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