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Yes, very deep draft but in my opinion no dominate players like a Stewie or Maya. Likely teams will draft on need versus "best player" ranking.
This is a good point. Hopefully most of the teams have their franchise player (for the Mystics EDD)) and all the teams need to do is complement them with excellent support players which this draft has.
 
WNBA requires players to be at least 22, to have completed their college eligibility, to have graduated from a four-year college or to be four years removed from high school to be eligible for the draft.

Ionescu turns 22 on 12/6/19
Young turns 22 on 9/6/19

Tiana Mangakahia of Syracuse is already 23 (turns 24 in April). Wondering if she'll take a leap this year.
Will Tiana Mangakahia leave Syracuse early for WNBA draft?
 
She was a freshman at Maryland in 2016 so she would only be 3 years out of high school.
Years out of high school is an "or" criteria for being WNBA eligible. The "main overriding" criteria is that you must turn 22 in the year the draft is conducted. Eg. Napheesa Collier was eligible for the WNBA draft LAST YEAR-2018 as a NCAA Junior. Jackie young, Sabrina Inoescu, & Destiny Slocum are eligible this year and are NCAA juniors.
 
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The problem with A'ja at the 4 is that another big (Coates in college or Brown/McCowan in Vegas) will clog the lane and could make A'ja less effective. The goal is to enhance A'ja's play, not limit it.
I actually disagree. She played the 4 in the W last season. One of the reasons why the lane isn't clogged is because there is a defensive 3 seconds rule. JMO.
 
I actually disagree. She played the 4 in the W last season. One of the reasons why the lane isn't clogged is because there is a defensive 3 seconds rule. JMO.

and Aja does quite a bit of her work at 15 ' facing the basket for mid range / drives to the basket. She can thrive with a talented 5 with no problem.
 
I actually disagree. She played the 4 in the W last season. One of the reasons why the lane isn't clogged is because there is a defensive 3 seconds rule. JMO.
She may have played the 4, but she played mostly inside, and whoever was at the 5 was not a big body like Kalani or Teaira. My point is that a big body center who plays close to the basket will get in the way, as will her defender.
 
In the medal round of the World Cup, A'ja was shut down rather effectively. I'll be interested in seeing what happens in the W this year. The teams in Tenerife had enough big bodies and the right strategy. They forced A'ja to her right and then trapped her. The result was that she often forced a shot or turned the ball over. If she plays one-on-one and has space to maneuver, she's very good. But she wasn't in the last 2-3 games in Tenerife.
 
In the medal round of the World Cup, A'ja was shut down rather effectively. I'll be interested in seeing what happens in the W this year. The teams in Tenerife had enough big bodies and the right strategy. They forced A'ja to her right and then trapped her. The result was that she often forced a shot or turned the ball over. If she plays one-on-one and has space to maneuver, she's very good. But she wasn't in the last 2-3 games in Tenerife.

She was also consistently bottled up in her UConn matches but she is a WNBA All Star (with little post help) and I think she has the drive to get alot better on her weaknesses.
 
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She was also consistently bottled up in her UConn matches but she is a WNBA All Star (with little post help) and I think she has the drive to get alot better on her weaknesses.
Yeah, she should continue learning and also improve her right hand. A'ja has a rare combo of size and mobility, possibly because she was a guard before a 6" growth spurt. When she gets to her spots, she's deadly. But she didn't get there much in Tenerife.
 
Years out of high school is an "or" criteria for being WNBA eligible. The "main overriding" criteria is that you must turn 22 in the year the draft is conducted. Eg. Napheesa Collier was eligible for the WNBA draft LAST YEAR-2018 as a NCAA Junior. Jackie young, Sabrina Inoescu, & Destiny Slocum are eligible this year and are NCAA juniors.

I read "or" as "and".

Also it was confusing to me because for example Ionescu will still be 21 if/when she declares for the draft and still 21 when the WNBA season is over.
 
Mock Draft

Big surprises in here. I’m not taking much stock into it but good for discussion.

I don’t see how Lou & Kalani go that low. You also can see by looking at the names in the 2nd & 3rd rounds, just how deep this draft is.
While emotionally I believe Naphessa and Katie Lou are one and 2 or 2 and one. I'm not shocked by the mock ranking. Remember they are MOCK, not cast in stone, yet. Some pretty good players in the 1 to 20.
 
Connecticut will take Lou over Arike any day, Lou is a better all round player and she will fill the seats.
Not to push a slightly dead horse; I think it an actual issue: Should Arike play for Connecticut , at least to begin with, there is a good probability fans will boo her. Not comfortable for Arkie or the Sun Management.
 
I actually disagree. She played the 4 in the W last season. One of the reasons why the lane isn't clogged is because there is a defensive 3 seconds rule. JMO.

and Aja does quite a bit of her work at 15 ' facing the basket for mid range / drives to the basket. She can thrive with a talented 5 with no problem.

She may have played the 4, but she played mostly inside, and whoever was at the 5 was not a big body like Kalani or Teaira. My point is that a big body center who plays close to the basket will get in the way, as will her defender.

I posted my thoughts about this a few months ago, so I apologize for doing a cut and paste. But here you go:

"A'ja Wilson is a center. She can shoot from 10-12 feet out, but she plays her best when she forces her way to the basket. She overpowers people in the post with her physique and use of force and uses an array of spin moves, foot pivots, other skills to score in the paint.

"And in terms of minutes, Wilson played over 30 mpg, with most of them as the center. When Laimbeer did start a default center (JiSu Park, for example), it clogged down the offense because of the lack of spacing and shooting."

(Links to my previous posts: WNBA GM'S Mock Draft 2019; Mechelle Voepel WNBA Mock Draft ESPN)

With all due respect to @Shmermerer and @eebmg , Wilson can say she is not a center. Wilson could say she is a unicorn. But if you look at the ways in which she scores and from what places on the floor, she is an interior post player (as @MilfordHusky noted).

Before this year, I thought Napheesa Collier fit best next to Wilson. On August 27, 2018, I posted:
If I were AFO/Bill Laimbeer, I would consider trading a few spots down and looking at Napheesa Collier... Collier will fit well next to Wilson and has expanded range, passing abilities, good athleticism, and the ability to be a primary or secondary scorer (though she is only 6-1/6-2).

And on November 21, 2018, I posted:
Now, is Collier the best player in the draft? Maybe, maybe not.
But is Collier the best fit for Las Vegas, who has Plum/Jefferson at the point, McBride on the perimeter, and Wilson up front? Absolutely.

And on January 30, 2019, I posted:
I do not see Wilson working next to McCowan. Neither has the shot range. Brown has more range on her shot, but neither is a power forward (much less a stretch four). Brown would be a center who can hit an open mid-range jumper; neither has proven to be even a threat from three, much less competent enough to work a high/low game or have one or both rotate onto the perimeter. And frankly, in terms of Baylor players, I believe Lauren Cox would be a much better fit next to Wilson than Kalani Brown.
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Collier's perimeter shooting has given me a little pause this year. I still think she will be a good fit next to Wilson. But I expected her game to develop more in terms of her outside shooting and prowess from the free throw line, not a step back. Still, she has proven she has the three in her offensive arsenal, and her mid-range jumper is still great. And as I mentioned before, she knows how to be effective and contribute as the #1 option or the #4 option, which is vital in the WNBA as a rookie (especially going to Las Vegas, which has Wilson as the established star and McBride as the clear #2 option right now).

Now, Laimbeer has been known to throw big posts out there without the same levels of outside and three-point shooting (looking at his titles with the Detroit Shock, for example).

But the WNBA has changed so much since 2008, his last title with the Shock. And while he had some success with the bigger (and less outside shooting) lineups with the Liberty in the regular season, it was not nearly as successful in the WNBA in the playoffs. Teams like Indiana (2015) and Phoenix (2016) were able to take advantage of Laimbeer using Charles at the four next to a center (Warley-Talbert, Stokes, Swords, Zahui B, ), because those teams could shoot well from outside the paint (including threes) and had the threats on the floor to do so, forcing UConn's bigger post players to chase all over the court (not their strengths).

If I were Laimbeer, I would try package the #1 pick and make a trade to acquire another pick in 2020. Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #3 pick in 2019 and the Fever's first round pick in 2020 (since Indiana likely will miss the playoffs again). Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #5 pick in 2019 and Dallas's first round pick in 2020 (since the Wings likely will miss the playoffs, with Skylar Diggins-Smith missing the season for pregnancy and Liz Cambage missing the season because of her trade demand).
 
I posted my thoughts about this a few months ago, so I apologize for doing a cut and paste. But here you go:

"A'ja Wilson is a center. She can shoot from 10-12 feet out, but she plays her best when she forces her way to the basket. She overpowers people in the post with her physique and use of force and uses an array of spin moves, foot pivots, other skills to score in the paint.

"And in terms of minutes, Wilson played over 30 mpg, with most of them as the center. When Laimbeer did start a default center (JiSu Park, for example), it clogged down the offense because of the lack of spacing and shooting."

(Links to my previous posts: WNBA GM'S Mock Draft 2019; Mechelle Voepel WNBA Mock Draft ESPN)

With all due respect to @Shmermerer and @eebmg , Wilson can say she is not a center. Wilson could say she is a unicorn. But if you look at the ways in which she scores and from what places on the floor, she is an interior post player (as @MilfordHusky noted).

Before this year, I thought Napheesa Collier fit best next to Wilson. On August 27, 2018, I posted:
If I were AFO/Bill Laimbeer, I would consider trading a few spots down and looking at Napheesa Collier... Collier will fit well next to Wilson and has expanded range, passing abilities, good athleticism, and the ability to be a primary or secondary scorer (though she is only 6-1/6-2).

And on November 21, 2018, I posted:
Now, is Collier the best player in the draft? Maybe, maybe not.
But is Collier the best fit for Las Vegas, who has Plum/Jefferson at the point, McBride on the perimeter, and Wilson up front? Absolutely.

And on January 30, 2019, I posted:
I do not see Wilson working next to McCowan. Neither has the shot range. Brown has more range on her shot, but neither is a power forward (much less a stretch four). Brown would be a center who can hit an open mid-range jumper; neither has proven to be even a threat from three, much less competent enough to work a high/low game or have one or both rotate onto the perimeter. And frankly, in terms of Baylor players, I believe Lauren Cox would be a much better fit next to Wilson than Kalani Brown.
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Collier's perimeter shooting has given me a little pause this year. I still think she will be a good fit next to Wilson. But I expected her game to develop more in terms of her outside shooting and prowess from the free throw line, not a step back. Still, she has proven she has the three in her offensive arsenal, and her mid-range jumper is still great. And as I mentioned before, she knows how to be effective and contribute as the #1 option or the #4 option, which is vital in the WNBA as a rookie (especially going to Las Vegas, which has Wilson as the established star and McBride as the clear #2 option right now).

Now, Laimbeer has been known to throw big posts out there without the same levels of outside and three-point shooting (looking at his titles with the Detroit Shock, for example).

But the WNBA has changed so much since 2008, his last title with the Shock. And while he had some success with the bigger (and less outside shooting) lineups with the Liberty in the regular season, it was not nearly as successful in the WNBA in the playoffs. Teams like Indiana (2015) and Phoenix (2016) were able to take advantage of Laimbeer using Charles at the four next to a center (Warley-Talbert, Stokes, Swords, Zahui B, ), because those teams could shoot well from outside the paint (including threes) and had the threats on the floor to do so, forcing UConn's bigger post players to chase all over the court (not their strengths).

If I were Laimbeer, I would try package the #1 pick and make a trade to acquire another pick in 2020. Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #3 pick in 2019 and the Fever's first round pick in 2020 (since Indiana likely will miss the playoffs again). Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #5 pick in 2019 and Dallas's first round pick in 2020 (since the Wings likely will miss the playoffs, with Skylar Diggins-Smith missing the season for pregnancy and Liz Cambage missing the season because of her trade demand).

Trading the #1 pick is a bold move... has it ever been done in the W?
 
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Trading the #1 pick is a bold move... has it ever been done in the W?

In 2007, Lindsey Harding became the first No. 1 overall pick in WNBA draft to be traded when the Mercury sent the former Duke point guard to Minnesota for All-Star forward Tangela Smith. Phoenix then won the 2007 WNBA title, the first of the franchise's three championships.
 
If I were Laimbeer, I would try package the #1 pick and make a trade to acquire another pick in 2020. Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #3 pick in 2019 and the Fever's first round pick in 2020 (since Indiana likely will miss the playoffs again). Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #5 pick in 2019 and Dallas's first round pick in 2020 (since the Wings likely will miss the playoffs, with Skylar Diggins-Smith missing the season for pregnancy and Liz Cambage missing the season because of her trade demand).
I've been thinking for some time now his best option is to trade his pick. I like your ideas.
 
If I were Laimbeer, I would try package the #1 pick and make a trade to acquire another pick in 2020. Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #3 pick in 2019 and the Fever's first round pick in 2020 (since Indiana likely will miss the playoffs again). Maybe trade #1 and a player to Indiana for the #5 pick in 2019 and Dallas's first round pick in 2020 (since the Wings likely will miss the playoffs, with Skylar Diggins-Smith missing the season for pregnancy and Liz Cambage missing the season because of her trade demand).

I don't disagree that it might be smart for Vegas to trade down, but the problem with trading down is that someone has to want to trade up.

Nobody is giving up a lottery pick next year for the privilege of moving up a couple spots unless there is a franchise-changing player available at #1. I don't think there is an obvious franchise-changer like A'ja, Stewie, or EDD in this draft.

And if such a player is available, why is the team that holds #1 ever trading that pick?

Indiana finished dead last and 9 games out of the playoffs. They have to know that they are likely to be in the 2020 lottery and more than 1 great player away from contention. Why would they ever give up their 2020 1st just to move up 2 spots?
 
I don't disagree that it might be smart for Vegas to trade down, but the problem with trading down is that someone has to want to trade up.

Nobody is giving up a lottery pick next year for the privilege of moving up a couple spots unless there is a franchise-changing player available at #1. I don't think there is an obvious franchise-changer like A'ja, Stewie, or EDD in this draft.

And if such a player is available, why is the team that holds #1 ever trading that pick?

Indiana finished dead last and 9 games out of the playoffs. They have to know that they are likely to be in the 2020 lottery and more than 1 great player away from contention. Why would they ever give up their 2020 1st just to move up 2 spots?

I gave examples of possible trades, from Las Vegas's perspective.

From Indiana's perspective, the team needs help almost everywhere...shooting, playmaking, presence, etc. With Kelsey Mitchell and Victoria Vivians, the team has two pieces for the future. But Candice Dupree and Cappie Pondexter are well on the downside of their respective careers, and Natalie Achonwa is a nice roleplayer but not a top three player on a good team.

I will give you two scenarios for Indiana.

First scenario:
Let's say that Oregon's Sabrina Ionescu declares for the draft. Indiana views her as a PG/playmaker in the Lindsay Whalen mold for the next decade. That would be a player for which to trade up...and Indiana could demand another player from Vegas as part of the trade who can help the team (e.g., Dearica Hamby) if it would surrender its lottery pick in 2020.

From Vegas's perspective, the team has Kelsey Plum and Moriah Jefferson, one of whom is sure to have All Star potential. And the team really wants Napheesa Collier at the four, next to A'ja Wilson. This way, the team gets the player it wants in 2019 and a lottery pick in 2020.

And from Indiana's perspective, it gets a potential star (and box office draw) in Ionescu, with its young core.

Second scenario:
Sabrina Ionescu does not declare for the draft. Vegas offers the #1 pick in 2019 plus Moriah Jefferson and Dearica Hamby for the #3 pick in 2019 plus Indiana's 2020 likely-lottery pick and Victoria Vivians.

Vegas finally has a starting lineup with balanced backcourt and frontcourt scoring and a great young core going forward -- Plum, McBride, Vivians, Collier, Wilson.

Indiana gets its point guard (Jefferson) and center (McCowan or Brown) of the future to pair with SG Kelsey Mitchell, while getting Hamby as a forward.

For both scenarios:
Alternatively (and in both scenarios, actually) Vegas could simply exclude Hamby from the trade and add a swap of picks in 2019, which would still give Indiana lottery pick in 2020...but with Vegas getting the ability to choose between the better of the two picks.

Additional note:
I only did the analysis for Indiana. Obviously, there may be another team looking to move up in the draft this year for which a trade package could be presented.
 
"And in terms of minutes, Wilson played over 30 mpg, with most of them as the center. When Laimbeer did start a default center (JiSu Park, for example), it clogged down the offense because of the lack of spacing and shooting."

This isn't accurate. Wilson only played 30 minutes a game. JiSu Park, Swords, and Bone shared the minutes at Center averaging about 15 minutes per game each. Well Bone averaged a little over 10.
 
This isn't accurate. Wilson only played 30 minutes a game. JiSu Park, Swords, and Bone shared the minutes at Center averaging about 15 minutes per game each. Well Bone averaged a little over 10.

^^ This is not accurate. If you had watched the games (which I did) and see who Wilson defended and where Wilson was positioned in the offense, she was playing center for most of her minutes.
 
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Connecticut will take Lou over Arike any day, Lou is a better all round player and she will fill the seats.
The Sun would take Arike IF they want to alienate their fans, I would go to a game just to boo!
 
The Sun would take Arike IF they want to alienate their fans, I would go to a game just to boo!

I don't doubt the ability of you or anyone else to hold a grudge.

However, I never thought that I would have Stef Dolson, Gabby Williams, and Diamond DeShields as 3 of my favorite players, but now that they are Chicago I've really warmed to all 3.
 
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^^ This is not accurate. If you had watched the games (which I did) and see who Wilson defended and where Wilson was positioned in the offense, she was playing center for most of her minutes.
I watched most of the games. She did most of her damage driving hitting 10 footers and driving to the basket. Who do you think was playing the 4 for the Aces most of the time? Again, Swords, Jin Su, and Bone shared minutes at the 5. Also, Aja only played 30 minutes a game. She did not play the 5 for most of those minutes let alone all which is what you said earlier.
 
Beatrice Momprempeir is also eligible to declare early from Miami. Signs point toward she will as well.
 
I don't doubt the ability of you or anyone else to hold a grudge.

However, I never thought that I would have Stef Dolson, Gabby Williams, and Diamond DeShields as 3 of my favorite players, but now that they are Chicago I've really warmed to all 3.
I could easily cheer for Jackie Young and Brianna Turner after they graduate. Shepard is a possibility. Arike is a "Maybe." Mabrey is a "Hell, no." It's not so much where they are from. It's how they act. I've even warmed on Skylar over the past 5 years.
 
I don't doubt the ability of you or anyone else to hold a grudge.

However, I never thought that I would have Stef Dolson, Gabby Williams, and Diamond DeShields as 3 of my favorite players, but now that they are Chicago I've really warmed to all 3.

First, nothing against you as a poster here. Always good to have different perspectives. That said, none of those three players ever attacked an ND player the way Arike attacked Crystal... more than once, clearly on purpose, and far outside the acceptable bounds of legitimate basketball plays.

As a Sun fan from day one, and a longtime season ticket holder, I don't care AT ALL what college our players went to. It's all about the quality of the person and the player. Arike would have a lot to prove to me (beyond statistics) before I could begin to be a real fan of hers.
 
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