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We really need to see what the "exposure" is in the ESPN proposal. based on what's been released, it doesn't seem like very much. Games on some non-existent cable channel and ESPN3? I have to say given where we are, I'd take a shot with NBC. As an up and coming entity they might well be more willing ot do lots of things. And I don't believe for a second that not being on ESPN kills anything. It all depends on where you are. A midnight braketbuster game on ESPNU isn't worth anything either. From the football standpoint, UConn-Cincinatti being the lead-in for Notre Dame wouldn't be a horrible place to be. Being on NBCSports at 3:30 would be far better than being on ESPN360 at noon, or at 10 AM or some such. And being on the U opposite the NFL on Sunday night or Monday night isn't any great shakes either.
 
I'm having a tough time deciding which deal sucks less as far as exposure and promotion. Sad that this is what it comes down to.
 
freescooter said:
We really need to see what the "exposure" is in the ESPN proposal. based on what's been released, it doesn't seem like very much. Games on some non-existent cable channel and ESPN3? I have to say given where we are, I'd take a shot with NBC. As an up and coming entity they might well be more willing ot do lots of things. And I don't believe for a second that not being on ESPN kills anything. It all depends on where you are. A midnight braketbuster game on ESPNU isn't worth anything either. From the football standpoint, UConn-Cincinatti being the lead-in for Notre Dame wouldn't be a horrible place to be. Being on NBCSports at 3:30 would be far better than being on ESPN360 at noon, or at 10 AM or some such. And being on the U opposite the NFL on Sunday night or Monday night isn't any great shakes either.
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Totally agree. The big east can't be killed any more than it has. Might as well be bold and try a newjoint venture with the new kid on the block. Your fugged anyways might as well give yourself a chance to carve out your own niche.
 
Wouldn't the schools be better off just selling their home games individually and not having the conference sign a deal at all?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Wouldn't the schools be better off just selling their home games individually and not having the conference sign a deal at all?
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We would, as would Cincy. I'm not sure about the others. We could get so much more money by only putting our games on SNY and not even being broadcast nationally. This deal is outrageously bad for us. If we could get a decent schedule as an indy, we'd have to explore it. That is very hard to do though. I haven't seen anyone from UConn say a peep about this tv deal yet. I presume they will talk when it is final but I just can't see how you sit in Storrs and swallow this pill. It just seems too low to bother with other than the scheduling convenience.
 
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Hi-Low said:
WTF are you talking about.....UConn is finished because of a crappy espn deal? Are kids going to stop coming to UConn to play BB and FB.....so we have to work a little harder until situation improves. It sucks the BE imploded, so we dominate #*king league and when the smoke clears we'll still be standing. Let's give it some time before we hit the eject button. CR will continue to wreak havoc and we'll get an invite....until then screw it and play ball.
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UConn will be making 1.8 million per year. Schools in the B10, SEC, B12, P12 are making more than the entire conference on their own. It's going to be impossible to keep up in paying coaches, facilities, recruiting budgets, and exposure.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Wouldn't the schools be better off just selling their home games individually and not having the conference sign a deal at all?
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Probably, can Ward put something like that together?
 
Who gets to vote on this deal? Herbst should be burning up the phone lines today. Cinci, USF and UConn should vote against. Is this actually an improvements for the newbs?
 
CL82 said:
Who gets to vote on this deal? Herbst should be burning up the phone lines today. Cinci, USF and UConn should vote against. Is this actually an improvements for the newbs?
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Why should they vote against it? It's the best deal that's out there for them.
 
Hi-Low said:
Some league members, most notably UConn and Cincinnati, continue to lobby to join other leagues.
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I asked McMurphy to confirm that we are still lobbying and he told me yes "behind the scenes"
 
Fishy said:
Why should they vote against it? It's the best deal that's out there for them.
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For us? I think we could do better with a deal with SNY based upon what they paid for woman's basketball. For Cinci, and or USF? I don't know, but the NBC number was so low, I would be surprised if someone else couldn't beat it.

Now I don't know what the new members were making previously, but was it so significantly lower than this number that it justifies the new conference arrangement? If not why do it?

Before someone talks about exposure, keep in mind we are being offerred streaming only apparently. That's what ESPN3 is correct? I am having a hard time seeing how this makes sense for anyone.

Of course if none of the new programs had any meaningful TV revenue before, this might look attractive to them.

So, again who get to vote on this. I am guessing that it is the 2014 - 2015 schools. How many votes are needed to turn this down?
 
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Someone pointed out earlier that NBC had no incentive to bid up because ESPN could just take the bid, because ESPN has right of first refusal for the conference. There is no GOR. If the schools want to sell their games individually, why not? Syndicate the games out. That contract prices the TV rights for a UConn basketball game at roughly $40k and a football game at about $200k. Are you telling me that we can't do better than that? We do better than $40k a game for the women's Tier 3. Are you telling me that UCF can't do better than that?

All the conference would be is a scheduling alliance, it would negotiate for bowls, and it would hold a conference basketball tournament, which it could sell the rights too.. It would have no other business activities.

The Big East should simply walk away from this deal. If it costs us Houston and SMU, so be it. It's not like they brought a whole bunch of value with them from CUSA.
 
Fishy said:
Why should they vote against it? It's the best deal that's out there for them.
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I said 4 years ago we should do whatever we had to do to bust the ESPN TV contract, and I have been proven more right than any poster on this board has ever been right about anything. There are 3 teams left from a conference of 17. The old deal is no longer valid. Invoke a state statute regarding change of control of a business entity. Have the old Big East dissolve in return for some modest rebate of part of the exit fees for departing members. Bust the deal, and go back to market in some other form without ESPN hanging over our head.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Someone pointed out earlier that NBC had no incentive to bid up because ESPN could just take the bid, because ESPN has right of first refusal for the conference. There is no GOR. If the schools want to sell their games individually, why not? Syndicate the games out. That contract prices the TV rights for a UConn basketball game at roughly $40k and a football game at about $200k. Are you telling me that we can't do better than that? We do better than $40k a game for the women's Tier 3. Are you telling me that UCF can't do better than that?

All the conference would be is a scheduling alliance, it would negotiate for bowls, and it would hold a conference basketball tournament, which it could sell the rights too.. It would have no other business activities.

The Big East should simply walk away from this deal. If it costs us Houston and SMU, so be it. It's not like they brought a whole bunch of value with them from CUSA.
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Walk away to what? This is what it is and we move on. In NBE until we are not.
 
UConn Dan said:
Walk away to what? This is what it is and we move on. In NBE until we are not.
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I am saying the entire Big East should reject the deal and sell the rights to their games individually. There would be no conference TV contract. I bet just about every team in the league would make more money syndicating their entire home football, basketball and women's hoops schedules than they will by taking this contract.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I am saying the entire Big East should reject the deal and sell the rights to their games individually. There would be no conference TV contract. I bet just about every team in the league would make more money syndicating their entire home football, basketball and women's hoops schedules than they will by taking this contract.
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I'm not sure it this correct, but I believe it is possible based upon the incredibly low number for the games.

If I were Herbst, I'd be on the phone asking SNY just what it would pay for all of our broadcast rights. If they don't pick them all up try YES, hell try CPTV. At this point I don't care about visibility because ESPN is promising no cable games.
 
CL82 said:
I'm not sure it this correct, but I believe it is possible based upon the incredibly low number for the games.

If I were Herbst, I'd be on the phone asking SNY just what it would pay for all of our broadcast rights. If they don't pick them all up try YES, hell try CPTV. At this point I don't care about visibility because ESPN is promising no cable games.
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I'm not sure where everyone is hearing that this is only streaming? ESPN is going to offer us WEd Thur and Fri games and some Saturday slots. I think this is better than the 200,000 viewers that tune in to NBC sports net. All the espn3 games will wind up on SNY
 
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CL82 said:
At this point I don't care about visibility because ESPN is promising no cable games.
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Where did you hear that? I would imagine that if they were only going to do non cable games the Big East would not go with ESPN

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nelsonmuntz said:
I am saying the entire Big East should reject the deal and sell the rights to their games individually. There would be no conference TV contract. I bet just about every team in the league would make more money syndicating their entire home football, basketball and women's hoops schedules than they will by taking this contract.
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I think this is it. There is no reason for us to sign away our TV rights for pennies on the dollar, nor for Cinci, USF, or UCF. We have a scheduling alliance and go each negotiate individually.
 
All I got to say is this deal sucks. UCONN should seriously walk away from this conference even if it means go indy and put all of our other sports with the C7. Seriously, our women's tier-3 games get $1.14M. We can do much better on our own vs. being tied to bunch of CUSA schools where we got nothing in common with. If we can't get into another conference, we should just walk. Indy is not ideal but can't be worse than this.
 
UCFBfan said:
Where did you hear that? I would imagine that if they were only going to do non cable games the Big East would not go with ESPN

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ESPN said that they weren't going match the broadcast promises of NBC but instead said they'd take 20 or so more games. I have no doubt that if a team is ranked and hot, they'll get a shown, but I don't think there are any guarantees.
 
CL82 said:
ESPN said that they weren't going match the broadcast promises of NBC but instead said they'd take 20 or so more games. I have no doubt that if a team is ranked and hot, they'll get a shown, but I don't think there are any guarantees.
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Where did you see that? All ive seen is reports saying the Big East was reviewing the offers to confirm they were indeed equitable.
 
CAHUSKY said:
Where did you see that? All ive seen is reports saying the Big East was reviewing the offers to confirm they were indeed equitable.
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In an article that was linked in one of the threads on the boards. Can't look for it now. I scanned these pretty quickly so I may have misread it, but I think that was the gist.
 
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CL82 said:
ESPN said that they weren't going match the broadcast promises of NBC but instead said they'd take 20 or so more games. I have no doubt that if a team is ranked and hot, they'll get a shown, but I don't think there are any guarantees.
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If true, that would be a worse deal. Same money for more inventory? No thanks.

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