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Kareem and Walton were the best college forwards I ever saw. But Len Bias was real close, and he didn't get a single mention. However Kareem gets my vote for #1 simply because he had the single most unstoppable shot in the history of BB, the Sky Hook.
 
Kareem and Walton were the best college forwards I ever saw. But Len Bias was real close, and he didn't get a single mention. However Kareem gets my vote for #1 simply because he had the single most unstoppable shot in the history of BB, the Sky Hook.
I believe even John Wooden was more impressed with Walton. When asked about Kareem leaving, he said wait until you see who is coming in...
 
what kinda tomfoolery is this?
Agree. This was a foolish exercise. A better use of time would have been to select the top 64 teams, all-time, for both men and women. Then, on the women's side, you might have had the 2016 UConn team facing the 2012 Baylor team or the 1998 Tennessee team in the finals.

But who needs ESPN? There's more than enough knowledge right here to construct such a bracket. Have at it.
 
I believe even John Wooden was more impressed with Walton. When asked about Kareem leaving, he said wait until you see who is coming in...
Walton was a better all around player, and he was better defensively. But when you needed a basket Kareem was above all else. Now, why was there no mention of the greatest athlete to every play the forward position, Wilt Chamberlain?
 
Could not believe it when I went to their Twitter account and saw men pitted against women. Tone deaf mackaroons. Womens bracket and mens bracket could have been fun. This is just insulting.
 
Agree. This was a foolish exercise. A better use of time would have been to select the top 64 teams, all-time, for both men and women. Then, on the women's side, you might have had the 2016 UConn team facing the 2012 Baylor team or the 1998 Tennessee team in the finals.

But who needs ESPN? There's more than enough knowledge right here to construct such a bracket. Have at it.

UCONN 2002 team belongs in the discussion.
 
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Agree. This was a foolish exercise. A better use of time would have been to select the top 64 teams, all-time, for both men and women. Then, on the women's side, you might have had the 2016 UConn team facing the 2012 Baylor team or the 1998 Tennessee team in the finals.

But who needs ESPN? There's more than enough knowledge right here to construct such a bracket. Have at it.

Personally I'd rather do a bracket of top desserts... or sandwiches :p
 
Could they have made it any harder to vote? You have to vote thru twitter? Can't vote when you click on the ESPN link? Good grief. How many people over 50 actually have a twitter account??? Is twitter giving ESPN a kickback or something as they try to drive traffic to the site??

Sue Bird an 8 seed and Shaq a 9 seed? Sue getting slaughtered. No Ray Allen? But Tyler Hansbrouh and Chris Jackson in the brackets? Silly.
 
I can't help but feel for ESPN and other all-sports networks. With sports canceled virtually everywhere on the planet, they're reaching for ideas.
 
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I get phone alerts from ESPN every time something Duke related happens...... got 2 alerts about this poll. One was a matchup pitting JJ Redick vs Sheryl Swoopes... and the other was Grant Hill vs Rebecca Lobo :confused: How ridiculous it is to pit men vs women.


I hope cherries jubilee gets a 1-seed.

Never had that... had to google to see what it consists of. I'm not a huge cherry fan... but sounds like it would be tasty on top of a piece of pound cake or chocolate cake.
 
Huh? He's a given. Tremendous team ball player and winner.
He had the single greatest championship game ever when he was a junior in 1973. He was 21-22 from the field and had 44 points. He also had four baskets disallowed on the basis of the no dunk rule back then ( put into effect because of Alcindor) or he would have been 25-26 plus two free throws for 52 points. When he was healthy in the NBA he led Portland to a title. Then he developed foot problems. What you saw in Boston in his latter years was like watching Jordan when he played for Washington. He was the best college player I ever saw. Yes, even better than Alcindor.
 
Kareem and Walton were the best college forwards I ever saw. But Len Bias was real close, and he didn't get a single mention. However Kareem gets my vote for #1 simply because he had the single most unstoppable shot in the history of BB, the Sky Hook.
Len Bias was my favorite male college player ever. I don't understand how they took college players who played one year and stick them in ahead of a player like Bias.
 
Walton was a better all around player, and he was better defensively. But when you needed a basket Kareem was above all else. Now, why was there no mention of the greatest athlete to every play the forward position, Wilt Chamberlain?
He played center but you are right on the money. He was literally the whole track and field team for Kansas. He won the high jump three years in a row, ran the 100 yard dash, won the triple jump and broad jump, and even threw the shot in the Big 12 Championships. His basketball team only made it to the finals one year losing in overtime or double overtime to North Carolina after he fouled out. BTW, he high jumped 6'6" in 8th grade!
 
He played center but you are right on the money. He was literally the whole track and field team for Kansas. He won the high jump three years in a row, ran the 100 yard dash, won the triple jump and broad jump, and even threw the shot in the Big 12 Championships. His basketball team only made it to the finals one year losing in overtime or double overtime to North Carolina after he fouled out. BTW, he high jumped 6'6" in 8th grade!
You're just so right The problem goes beyond recency bias. Most people today never saw him play. To many he's just a legend. But to those of us who saw this guy he was a marvel. IMHO he was the greatest athlete to ever play in the Association. All you need do is look at the highlights of him running the floor and your eyes pop out of your head. Yes, even The Greek Freak comes in a distant second...and Wilt is not on the list.
 
I get phone alerts from ESPN every time something Duke related happens...... got 2 alerts about this poll. One was a matchup pitting JJ Redick vs Sheryl Swoopes... and the other was Grant Hill vs Rebecca Lobo :confused: How ridiculous it is to pit men vs women.




Never had that... had to google to see what it consists of. I'm not a huge cherry fan... but sounds like it would be tasty on top of a piece of pound cake or chocolate cake.
If you've never had it you're in for a real treat...said JordyG after having 2 wonderful red velvet cupcakes today.
 
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Dumbest thing ever. The winner will be either Kareem or Walton. There should have been a separate bracket for the men and women.

The idea was a good one, but it lacked imagination. It can never be fair or equitable to mix gender in a selection of this nature and magnitude. It would have been a lot more interesting if half of the field were women and the other half men. Compare women to to women and men to men. Have men present the men, and current and former women coaches present the women. A lot of great HOF women were left out of the field.

Seth Greenberg selected Alcindor over a woman because they changed the rules (no more dunking) because of him. No woman in the field would have had a chance against that kind of thinking and perception.:(
 
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He had the single greatest championship game ever when he was a junior in 1973. He was 21-22 from the field and had 44 points. He also had four baskets disallowed on the basis of the no dunk rule back then ( put into effect because of Alcindor) or he would have been 25-26 plus two free throws for 52 points. When he was healthy in the NBA he led Portland to a title. Then he developed foot problems. What you saw in Boston in his latter years was like watching Jordan when he played for Washington. He was the best college player I ever saw. Yes, even better than Alcindor.

We could start a thread about the best college player you ever saw in person (men & women). And who you think was the best ever in college (whether you saw them or not) men & women. Ionescu and Stewart had better be in that discussion. They both have records no other college player has. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Stewie the only player to be named NCAA tournament MVP 4 times? That’s the record I’m thinking of for her, and of course the 2k, 1k, 1k record for Ionescu along with the 25 career triple doubles.
 
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We could start a thread about the best college player you ever saw in person (men & women). And who you think was the best ever in college (whether you saw them or not) men & women. Ionescu and Stewart had better be in that discussion. They both have records no other college player has. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Stewie the only player to be named NCAA tournament MVP 4 times?

In my bias view I'd take Stewie, DT, Maya, Holdsclaw and Griner over Ionescu.
 
In my bias view I'd take Stewie, DT, Maya, Holdsclaw and Griner over Ionescu.

You’re not alone. That’s why a debate of this nature would be so lively.:) Every player you mentioned should one day be enshrined in the WBB HOF. One or two may make the Naismith HOF. BTW, I had the pleasure of meeting Holdsclaw about 2 years ago at my local gym of all places.

I was the only one there that recognized her. We chatted for a briefly, I didn’t want to bother her. I told her I was a huge WCBB fan. She was very cordial to me despite the fact that I was wearing a UConn hat, that she mentioned she noticed. :) My UConn gear has sparked a conversation on more than one occasion at the gym.
 
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hoophuskee, I agree. Men and women are not comparable. The men play above the rim much of the time, the women rarely do. It doesn't mean one is better than the other, just different.
 
You're just so right The problem goes beyond recency bias. Most people today never saw him play. To many he's just a legend. But to those of us who saw this guy he was a marvel. IMHO he was the greatest athlete to ever play in the Association. All you need do is look at the highlights of him running the floor and your eyes pop out of your head. Yes, even The Greek Freak comes in a distant second...and Wilt is not on the list.
Imagine averaging 50 points and 26 rebounds a game for an entire NBA season in 1962! He was also an unbelievable all around player. In 1968 he led the NBA in assists. He was the greatest passing center in basketball history and no one will ever come close.
 
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We could start a thread about the best college player you ever saw in person (men & women). And who you think was the best ever in college (whether you saw them or not) men & women. Ionescu and Stewart had better be in that discussion. They both have records no other college player has. Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Stewie the only player to be named NCAA tournament MVP 4 times? That’s the record I’m thinking of for her, and of course the 2k, 1k, 1k record for Ionescu along with the 25 career triple doubles.
I think the contenders in women's college basketball are Stewart, Taurasi and Cheryl Miller. Taurasi gets my vote because of who wasn't on her team. I love the Geno story about finding her crying in the locker room because of the pressure she knew was on her. She was at her best in the biggest games, except her last game freshman year. Based on her own statements, you could argue that that one terrible game made her the incredible player she became.
 
Bill Walton #1.....hell no!!
Walton went 21 for 22 in a national championship game. He had 4 dunks disallowed because of a no dunking rule. Ended with 44 point which could have been 50 while only missing 1 shot. He has multiple national titles and I'm not positive if freshmen were able to play back then. I know Freshmen could not play when Jabbar, ok Alcinder was at UCLA. He won 3 titles, and if you don't think he would have won 4 well UCLA won the title when he could not be on the team as a freshman yet he and the other freshmen would beat the national champs in practice. If they playeda real game they would have won. Simply put at 7'2" with a sky hook he was the hardest player to defend ever including Jordan, or Chamberlain. He should best Stewart in the finals of this mock tournament.
 
Walton went 21 for 22 in a national championship game. He had 4 dunks disallowed because of a no dunking rule. Ended with 44 point which could have been 50 while only missing 1 shot. He has multiple national titles and I'm not positive if freshmen were able to play back then. I know Freshmen could not play when Jabbar, ok Alcinder was at UCLA. He won 3 titles, and if you don't think he would have won 4 well UCLA won the title when he could not be on the team as a freshman yet he and the other freshmen would beat the national champs in practice. If they playeda real game they would have won. Simply put at 7'2" with a sky hook he was the hardest player to defend ever including Jordan, or Chamberlain. He should best Stewart in the finals of this mock tournament.
Walton could not play as a freshman. The rule allowed freshmen in Division 1 to play for the 1972-1973 season (Division 3 allowed it in 1968-1969). Walton was a freshman in the 1970-1971 season and graduated in 1974, after North Carolina State with David Thompson upset UCLA in the national semis. The Wolfpack went on to win the NC and break the UCLA streak of 7 in a row. The Bruins came back the next year, Wooden's last, to win it again. Incidentally, no one ever said that the UCLA teams were "bad" for college basketball even though they won 10 NCs in 12 years. In fact it was the opposite. The UCLA-Houston game in the Astrodome is long considered to be "The Game of the Century" that made college basketball a national game ( it was blacked out in Houston even though the Dome was sold out and Houstonians drove as much as a hundred miles to watch the game ). It was the first college basketball game broadcast nationally during primetime. Interestingly, The Game was January 20, 1968. Some 27 years later in the same month, on the 16th to be exact, the women's version of The Game took place in Storrs when UCONN beat Tennessee. The UCLA "dynasty" lasted from 1964-1975. UCONN started its own in 1995 and it is still going, The New York Times and other "dissers" notwithstanding. With our recruits and returnees, we should be "bad" for women's basketball for the foreseeable future.
 
Waited for hours at Cameron to watch David Thompson play....just needed my student ID to get in and brought my books to study.....well worth it!
 
The best men's players I saw ever were--

not in order:

Walton, David Thompson, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Laettner, Sampson, Ewing, Olajuwon and Jordan. Never saw Alcindor and anyone before him play in college. Hard for me to say who I thought was greatest on this grouping because of my age and not able to see most of them many times.

But I did see Walton's incredible game on TV. And while I loved basketball I was not much a national fan-- primarily I was all UCONN- but then Magic and Bird appeared . . . And as for Jordan I never thought he'd be as great as he was but felt/knew he would be really great. There was one game in which Dean Smith spread out the offense (4 corners) and had Jordan with the ball at near halfcourt and he would just drive -- the other team had no shot. I knew from watching that he would be great.

I can remember on draft day wishing Portland would take Jordan so he and Drexler could team up. In part, Portland got too worried about defending Jabbar and took Sam Bowie instead. Baaaaaaaaad move . . .
 
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For the women I go with the following - never saw Miller or Swoopes and Myers and Donovan etc play. Only saw "seconds" of EDD and Stiles so I don't know where to put them. And ofc I'm bias:

1-- Stewie.
2-- DT
3-- Maya
4-- Parker
5- Holdsclaw
6-- Griner
7-- Catchings
8-- Ionescu
 
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