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Jones will, just like he did at Providence when he played the 4
For the worst defensive team in the country. He was out of position. He’s a wing.
Jones will, just like he did at Providence when he played the 4
Yup. Just like how Edey outplayed DC in the title game but DC is the better pro.
And our 4 plays as a wing, which is why I see him as a fit. He was also one of Providence's better defenders and ranked positively in defensive value despite their horrible system. He'd be viewed much differently playing for a coach who knows defense existsFor the worst defensive team in the country. He was out of position. He’s a wing.
Yea I don't know how folks declaring that over, Edey has played well just can't stay healthy with his ankle injuriesHard to tell. Edey played very well when he played this year but he missed most of it with various injuries.
I think at this moment it’s definitely trueYea I don't know how folks declaring that over, Edey has played well just can't stay healthy with his ankle injuries
No point in worrying about this stuff until after Monday. It's interesting to see who enters and what the menu looks like, but we have no idea what Hurley or players are thinking.What is the sales pitch for Hines? Averaged 6.5 ppg and 5.5 rpg in 18 mpg for a .500 team in the fifth best conference, and he was looking at starting if he returned. There will be at least 30 mid and low major bigs on the market that are better than Hines.
I thought you said giant frontcourts are the new blueprint?I honestly don't know if we'll see front courts quite like we saw at the top of the sport this year. I tend to think this was an exceptional year. Boozer, Johnson and Peat all fairly unique. Once you get past those three, there really isn't much close to that caliber of physical four anywhere.
What’s with the attitude? It’s legit to question if a 6’6 220 guy is a PF. Which of those teams did he play this year? closest woulda been UF but Jones only played 13 mins or so. Condon was out but Haugh went for 16 and 12. chinyelu started at the 4 and went for 13-12.Jones will, just like he did at Providence when he played the 4
I think guys like Dusty & Lloyd will try to reload, but there isn't going to be the same kind of inventory out there this year - no one at the HS level coming like Peat and Boozer. I don't see anyone like Yaxel out there this year in the portal.I thought you said giant frontcourts are the new blueprint ?
Which of those guys did he defend this year ?closest woulda been UF but Jones only played 13 mins or so. Condon was out but Haugh went for 15 and 15
7-6 as a freshman off the bench in a semi high major conference on an offensive inept team with negative spacing. Very large frame, pretty sure he has a crazy wingspan. Also pretty sure he was great on defense for them. You’re not getting an NBA player to split minutes with Reibe.What is the sales pitch for Hines? Averaged 6.5 ppg and 5.5 rpg in 18 mpg for a .500 team in the fifth best conference, and he was looking at starting if he returned. There will be at least 30 mid and low major bigs on the market that are better than Hines.
It’s a fair question. But if Mullins goes NBA we need a 3 as well. Wouldn’t mind a little more physicality there than Mullins brings. Castle and McNeeley were both more physical. I think he’s a guy who could flex 3/4 depending on matchups. But we need a 4 with size too. Not all the big 4s are gone, Kansas has Tiller at 6’10” and he’s going to be a handful by next year.I thought you said giant frontcourts are the new blueprint?
What’s with the attitude? It’s legit to question if a 6’6 220 guy is a PF. Which of those teams did he play this year? closest woulda been UF but Jones only played 13 mins or so. Condon was out but Haugh went for 16 and 12. chinyelu started at the 4 and went for 13-12.
Almost 5 blocks per 40 as a freshman. He was 2nd in the country in block rate (16.4%, for comparison Reed is 9.1%, which was 26th in country). One of the best offensive rebounders in the country by rate.What is the sales pitch for Hines? Averaged 6.5 ppg and 5.5 rpg in 18 mpg for a .500 team in the fifth best conference, and he was looking at starting if he returned. There will be at least 30 mid and low major bigs on the market that are better than Hines.
Landrew Ross FurphyIt’s a fair question. But if Mullins goes NBA we need a 3 as well. Wouldn’t mind a little more physicality there than Mullins brings. Castle and McNeeley were both more physical. I think he’s a guy who could flex 3/4 depending on matchups. But we need a 4 with size too. Not all the big 4s are gone, Kansas has Tiller at 6’10” and he’s going to be a handful by next year.
My issue with jones is that I think we’re good at the 3 even if Mullins leaves with Ross and Landrew. If he stays there’ll be a logjam and a half pushing Mullins to the 2But if Mullins goes NBA we need a 3 as well.
Duke has a 6’11 5* replacing boozer. Condon and Morez could both be back. That could be 3 of the final 4 next year and our starting PF would be 6’6think guys like Dusty & Lloyd will try to reload, but there isn't going to be the same kind of inventory out there this year - no one at the HS level coming like Peat and Boozer. I don't see anyone like Yaxel out there this year in the portal.
He would play the 4 here like he did at PC.My issue with jones is that I think we’re good at the 3 even if Mullins leaves with Ross and Landrew. If he stays there’ll be a logjam and a half pushing Mullins to the 2
Duke has a 6’11 5* replacing boozer.
Matter of fact Declarations are never ideal really. I don’t doubt jones could play the 4 offensively in our system my concern is on D. Alex was a good shot blocker averaging a block per game for his career. Jones averaged .3 bpg. Our incoming SF is the same height as jones and 15 lbs heavier.Okay… he would play the 4 in our system. Is that better?
I’m vey confused by this exchange. You said he’d play the 3 (a position he hasn’t started at or played really). I pointed out there wouldn’t be an issue because he’d play the 4 (a position he has played), but my pointing that out is bad?Matter of fact Declarations are never ideal really
I responded to that point by saying I don’t care what PC was doing…you can respond to the entirety of my last post if you’d like though. I know Alex plays as a wing on O but he’s also 6’8 235 not 6’6 220. Landrew is the same height and 15 lbs heavier. What about jones averaging 4.5 rpg and .3 bpg proves he’s an ideal PF?I’m vey confused by this exchange. You said he’d play the 3 (a position he hasn’t started at or played really). I pointed out there wouldn’t be an issue because he’d play the 4 (a position he has played), but my pointing that out is bad?
Maaaaybe 1 lottery guy there? Steinbach probably more of a PF in the NBA, too. Not all those guys are a lock to leave, either.
I don’t think he’s an ideal PF and I think the size is something the coaching staff would have to seriously consider in whether they want to recruit him. The positives are that he’s a huge mismatch on offense for opposing fours and was still a good defender at the 4 in a terrible defensive system at his height. Obviously rebounding and the guys that will present a really big size mismatch are concerns. TBH he’s not my cup of tea for those reasons, I’m just pointing out why he hypothetically wouldn’t cause a logjam.I responded to that point by saying I don’t care what PC was doing…you can respond to the entirety of my last post if you’d like though. I know Alex plays as a wing on O but he’s also 6’8 235 not 6’6 220. Landrew is the same height and 15 lbs heavier. What about jones averaging 4.5 rpg and .3 bpg proves he’s an ideal PF?
Wasn't trying to have an attitude. Just not really sure why we're questioning whether a guy who started at the 4 as a freshman in the Big East could play the 4 here. He'd be about an inch shorter than Karaban and 10 pounds bigger than freshman KarabanWhat’s with the attitude? It’s legit to question if a 6’6 220 guy is a PF. Which of those teams did he play this year? closest woulda been UF but Jones only played 13 mins or so. Condon was out but Haugh went for 16 and 12. chinyelu started at the 4 and went for 13-12.
im just hoping for a lot better justification than "he played the 4 at peecee" and that's been the first line of defense with him. as a frosh Karaban averaged more than double the bpg that jones did.Wasn't trying to have an attitude. Just not really sure why we're questioning whether a guy who started at the 4 as a freshman in the Big East could play the 4 here. He'd be about an inch shorter than Karaban and 10 pounds bigger than freshman Karaban
And a lot stronger - he plays like a 4. I doubt he's a Uconn target. Until I see Hurley take a BE transfer, I'm assuming he's against doing it.Wasn't trying to have an attitude. Just not really sure why we're questioning whether a guy who started at the 4 as a freshman in the Big East could play the 4 here. He'd be about an inch shorter than Karaban and 10 pounds bigger than freshman Karaban
I'm not even sure the rebounding would be a concern, at least not relative to what we've had for 4 years with Karaban. Jones was at 5.9%, 13.1%, 9.7% this year, for reference here's KarabanI don’t think he’s an ideal PF and I think the size is something the coaching staff would have to seriously consider in whether they want to recruit him. The positives are that he’s a huge mismatch on offense for opposing fours and was still a good defender at the 4 in a terrible defensive system at his height. Obviously rebounding and the guys that will present a really big size mismatch are concerns. TBH he’s not my cup of tea for those reasons, I’m just pointing out why he hypothetically wouldn’t cause a logjam.
I haven't really gotten into any pro or anti Jamier Jones takes, though I absolutely do want him. My post above this about the rebounding is a start though. I think the size and rebounding difference is being a bit overstated.im just hoping for a lot better justification than "he played the 4 at peecee" and that's been the first line of defense with him. as a frosh Karaban averaged more than double the bpg that jones did.