Edwards Next Pheesa?

[HuskylnSC]

IMO, Edwards will have games where she totally dominates the opposition as a freshman. She is ideally equipped to play the high post. She has a great 15 foot jumper (not a set shot like some high posts). She has the quickness to slash down the lane and strength to finish at the rim through contact. She is a great passer to facilitate the high-low or kick to a wing. She is a tenacious rebounder and experienced beyond her years. She will give Anna open looks from the 3 where she led the team last year. She'll also set killer picks for Christyn and Evina to slash.

 

[HuskylnSC]

Did I ever say she would NEVER be comfortable at it? No, not even close! This WHOLE discussion started as whether Griffin is better suited to play the 4 or the 3 this year. My premise, backed by stats from HS and Frosh year, was that Griffin CURRENTLY lacks the 3pt jump shot needed to successfully play the 3 right now. However, as soon as you point out any flaw or critique a player, no matter how fair that critique is, some people on this board lose their mind and cannot be even the slightest bit objective. I realize I look at UConn through rose colored glasses sometimes too, but some people are just super homers on this board.

Sometimes we fans try to make players fit a certain mold instead of letting their natural talents develop their game. Aubrey can dominate at the 3 without a killer 3 point shot. I am not saying she won't have one. But she can play the same game Rip Hamilton took to the NBA. Slash to mid range, elevate over anybody for a wide open deuce. She can do that all day long. On defense she can cause chaos for the opposition with her combination of quickness, size and an instant vertical. You can call her the disruptor.

 

[Jingo]

Sometimes we fans try to make players fit a certain mold instead of letting their natural talents develop their game. Aubrey can dominate at the 3 without a killer 3 point shot. I am not saying she won't have one. But she can play the same game Rip Hamilton took to the NBA. Slash to mid range, elevate over anybody for a wide open deuce. She can do that all day long. On defense she can cause chaos for the opposition with her combination of quickness, size and an instant vertical. You can call her the disruptor.

Yes .. I think she and Mir [another disruptor] can/could initiate a "killer' full-court press [as i have suggested before
BTW .. I thought we were calling Aubrey our "swiss army knife" .. haha!

 

[oldhusky]

Griffin made a total of 48 3pt fgs in 75 career high school games, she averaged .64 3pt makes per game, not exactly sharp shooter numbers.

Aubrey Griffin's High School Girls Basketball Stats

View Aubrey Griffin's career, season and game-by-game girls basketball stats while attending Ossining High School.

www.maxpreps.com

Thanks for the info Sox Fan. I wish Max Prep gave more percentages, but the rate of 3 pointers for Aubrey is low, but increased each year on a per game basis, but still not very impressive for someone scoring well over 20 points a game. I notice they did provide FT percentages and a career % in the 60's rarely projects to be a good 3 PT shooter as well. So on balance the evidence that we do have in high school and as a freshman does not suggest Aubrey is likely to be a good 3 PT shooter unless she has shown pretty remarkable improvement, which could happen, but probably should not be assumed or counted on.

 

[Alydar]

Bueckers is another disruptor. Quick, long, elevates & anticipates passing lanes. It takes hours on the court to learn half court defense but the freshmen's best shot at being impact players on defense it's in pressure.
I expect to see tougher defense this season. Geno couldn't afford to play high pressure, shutdown defense due to a short bench and the energy it expends along with fouls. But this year I think he has more horses to throw out there. This is usually the time of season when he switches over from glass half full to empty.

 

[JordyG]

For the record once again.

 

[Carnac]

I saw Aubrey in a tourney at Paul VI in Fairfax, VA. Ossining eventually lost a high-scoring game against a very good team from Maryland. Aubrey hit multiple threes and scored about 38. In a 5-minute stretch, she had jumpers, layups, steals, blocks, and rebounds, looking very much like Maya Moore.

I suspect the Aubrey 2.0 we'll see in college will be infinitely better than the Aubrey you saw in HS. Iron sharpens iron. She's around better coaches and players now than in HS. They will push her and make improve, as will some of the players she will face. Iron sharpens iron!

Can you imagine how much better she will be come March? If she doesn't start, she'll be one of the first two off the bench. The game will slow down for her, and she will find her "comfort zone". She knows what she can do. When sees an opening, she'll take it. She likes to drive the lane. She's a slasher. You won't see her get a lot of her shots blocked as you did last year. THAT ship has sailed.

Geno will give her more latitude and perhaps a "soft" green light. If she's 100 times better as he says, that soft green light maybe turned up to a bright dark green light. There will be nights when she will be "on", and nights when she won't (someone else will be on). I expect her to have "several" Seton Hall games again this year.

 

[Sluconn Husky]

 

[soxfan23]

Sometimes we fans try to make players fit a certain mold instead of letting their natural talents develop their game. Aubrey can dominate at the 3 without a killer 3 point shot. I am not saying she won't have one. But she can play the same game Rip Hamilton took to the NBA. Slash to mid range, elevate over anybody for a wide open deuce. She can do that all day long. On defense she can cause chaos for the opposition with her combination of quickness, size and an instant vertical. You can call her the disruptor.

No, she can't, because defenses will sag off of her and take away her slashing ability unless she can prove she can beat them from the outside. This is EXACTLY what happened to Kelly Faris, until she was finally able to consistently make jump shots. Rip Hamilton was a good enough 3 pt shooter(38%) to keep defenses honest though, that is the big difference.

 

[HuskylnSC]

No, she can't, because defenses will sag off of her and take away her slashing ability unless she can prove she can beat them from the outside. This is EXACTLY what happened to Kelly Faris, until she was finally able to consistently make jump shots. Rip Hamilton was a good enough 3 pt shooter(38%) to keep defenses honest though, that is the big difference.

In defense of the comment, perhaps I should have defined a KILLER 3 pt shot, which I consider a 40% average efficiency shot. I believe the 33% figure is on par with shooting 50% from 2 and therefore quite adequate. So to complete my point Aubrey can dominate by shooting 33% from 3 and by slashing to the midrange for most of her points. I'll stand by that. Also, I consider Aubrey's speed and elevation to exceed that of Kelly so that she will be able to out perform Kelly if her motor is in the same excellent range of Kelly's.

 

[Alydar]

No, she can't, because defenses will sag off of her and take away her slashing ability unless she can prove she can beat them from the outside.

There's a lot of room between the arc and the paint, which is where those defenders will sag to. As hard as I try I can't find where Collier ever developed a reliable 3 pt shot in college and I don't remember her scoring being stymied by sagging defenses. Edwards won't be slashing much from behind the arc but she will from around the foul line. In the video I saw Edwards came out from the low post area and hit a quick elbow jumper from 12-15 feet. If she can hit that shot consistently she will be very successful.

 

[soxfan23]

There's a lot of room between the arc and the paint, which is where those defenders will sag to. As hard as I try I can't find where Collier ever developed a reliable 3 pt shot in college and I don't remember her scoring being stymied by sagging defenses. Edwards won't be slashing much from behind the arc but she will from around the foul line. In the video I saw Edwards came out from the low post area and hit a quick elbow jumper from 12-15 feet. If she can hit that shot consistently she will be very successful.

Well, Collier played the 4, so she didn't need a great 3 pt jump shot. I am also not sure why you brought up Edwards, my post was in regards to Griffin.

 

[da60]

Enough of the freshman vs pro great.....someone please try and come up with something of more interest....it was fine for a while....but post after post....I am bored locked in house and haven't seen enough to reply to...If I get a brainstrorm, I will post it, good or bad. Yes, let the ladies start playing on tv....thanks As a sports nut, I have not watched baseball, football, and yes, the NBA. The WNBA was of some interest, but the college basketball should be great to watch, especially Geno's kids.

 

[Skeets]

Someone mentioned an infinite number of permutations. That's not quite right. If you throw Autumn into the mix there's slightly less than 40 million permutations (if my math is correct), and dare I say, the majority of those would work just fine.

 

[Jingo]

There's a lot of room between the arc and the paint, which is where those defenders will sag to. As hard as I try I can't find where Collier ever developed a reliable 3 pt shot in college and I don't remember her scoring being stymied by sagging defenses. Edwards won't be slashing much from behind the arc but she will from around the foul line. In the video I saw Edwards came out from the low post area and hit a quick elbow jumper from 12-15 feet. If she can hit that shot consistently she will be very successful.

Right .. eggzackly the point I brought up in post #56, eh?

 

[Alydar]

Well, Collier played the 4, so she didn't need a great 3 pt jump shot. I am also not sure why you brought up Edwards, my post was in regards to Griffin.

My brain fart. I meant Griffin.

I don't subscribe to the idea that the position number dictates what a player does. Stewart was a 4 and roamed on the perimeter despite being a borderline 3 point shooter until her senior year. She was about a 32% for her first 3 years and I don't remember defenses sagging off her.

Are you suggesting that Collier had an effective 3 point shot and just failed to use it? You better have something to back that up because she never showed one in 4 years. And if Collier could play as a 4 then why not Griffin? Same height and I'd say that Griffin is more athletic. 4 or 3 makes little difference at UConn. I doubt Geno says to his players: "Today, Collier, you are a 4 so you can't shoot 3's but next week you will play the 3 and do all the things you did as a 4 except you will need to shoot 3's. Position roles at UConn are very fluid. In a switching man to man we often see a UConn 4 switching to guard a 2 outside and often a 3 is asked to guard a 4.

 

[oldude]

Someone mentioned an infinite number of permutations. That's not quite right. If you throw Autumn into the mix there's slightly less than 40 million permutations (if my math is correct), and dare I say, the majority of those would work just fine.

I do believe you are slightly off for the number of different possible lineups (permutations) for a roster of 11 players, with 5 players on the floor at all times. If the total number of objects n=11 and the sample size r=5, the total number of possible lineup permutations=55,440.

 

[JonathanXIV]

I do believe you are slightly off for the number of different possible lineups (permutations) for a roster of 11 players, with 5 players on the floor at all times. If the total number of objects n=11 and the sample size r=5, the total number of possible lineup permutations=55,440.

See, this is way the Boneyard is the best fan board. You just don't get this type of math on Volnation.

 

[HuskylnSC]

See, this is way the Boneyard is the best fan board. You just don't get this type of math on Volnation.

Also you don't need this type of math on VolNation

 

[Jingo]

I do believe you are slightly off for the number of different possible lineups (permutations) for a roster of 11 players, with 5 players on the floor at all times. If the total number of objects n=11 and the sample size r=5, the total number of possible lineup permutations=55,440.

Sorry to be a stickler but as a former math teacher, we are not talking permutations, rather we're talking combinations.

For example, when the order doesn't matter, it is a Combination; When the order does matter it is a Permutation.

In UConn's 'motion offense', where positions are interchangeable, where the order doesn't matter, we're talking combinations, not permutations, eh?

Apologise...

 

[CocoHusky]

My brain fart. I meant Griffin.

I don't subscribe to the idea that the position number dictates what a player does. Stewart was a 4 and roamed on the perimeter despite being a borderline 3 point shooter until her senior year. She was about a 32% for her first 3 years and I don't remember defenses sagging off her.

Are you suggesting that Collier had an effective 3 point shot and just failed to use it? You better have something to back that up because she never showed one in 4 years. And if Collier could play as a 4 then why not Griffin? Same height and I'd say that Griffin is more athletic. 4 or 3 makes little difference at UConn. I doubt Geno says to his players: "Today, Collier, you are a 4 so you can't shoot 3's but next week you will play the 3 and do all the things you did as a 4 except you will need to shoot 3's. Position roles at UConn are very fluid. In a switching man to man we often see a UConn 4 switching to guard a 2 outside and often a 3 is asked to guard a 4.

Just about everything in the bolded part is both historically and technically inaccurate. Historically the 4 has been the featured position on UCONN Championship teams and positions are not fluid at UCONN. The requirements of a 3 in the UCONN offense (and the subject of this thread) is to ensure the proper spacing via a reliable 3 ball and perimeter defense. Defensively the 4 is relied upon for post defense. A 4 at UCONN (or anywhere else for that matter) is not involved with switching perimeter defense. Post players (4&5) if caught on a high ball screen do not switch-they do something called a hedge and recover.
What you maybe confusing for fluidity is the position versatility of some past UCONN players. Stewie and Morgan are classic examples of this. Were Morgan and Stewie occasionally involved with switching perimeter defense while at UCONN? Absolutely they were, because they were extraordinary perimeter defenders. If I'm the opposing coach and you are telling me that UCONN is going to switch their 4 on to my 2 (even if that 4 is Stewie or Maya) I would run that play every time down the court.

 

[oldude]

Sorry to be a stickler but as a former math teacher, we are not talking permutations, rather we're talking combinations.

For example, when the order doesn't matter, it is a Combination; When the order does matter it is a Permutation.

In UConn's 'motion offense', where positions are interchangeable, where the order doesn't matter, we're talking combinations, not permutations, eh?

Apologise...

I stand corrected.

The number of different player combinations where the roster n=11 and the lineup r=5 is only 462. However, there are in fact 55,440 different starting lineup permutations that could be listed by the PA announcer.

 

[JonathanXIV]

Also you don't need this type of math on VolNation

Since they only need to count to 8, they can use their fingers.

 

[Alydar]

Just about everything in the bolded part is both historically and technically inaccurate. Historically the 4 has been the featured position on UCONN Championship teams and positions are not fluid at UCONN. The requirements of a 3 in the UCONN offense (and the subject of this thread) is to ensure the proper spacing via a reliable 3 ball and perimeter defense. Defensively the 4 is relied upon for post defense. A 4 at UCONN (or anywhere else for that matter) is not involved with switching perimeter defense. Post players (4&5) if caught on a high ball screen do not switch-they do something called a hedge and recover.
What you maybe confusing for fluidity is the position versatility of some past UCONN players. Stewie and Morgan are classic examples of this. Were Morgan and Stewie occasionally involved with switching perimeter defense while at UCONN? Absolutely they were, because they were extraordinary perimeter defenders. If I'm the opposing coach and you are telling me that UCONN is going to switch their 4 on to my 2 (even if that 4 is Stewie or Maya) I would run that play every time down the court.

A 4 at UCONN (or anywhere else for that matter) is not involved with switching perimeter defense. Post players (4&5) if caught on a high ball screen do not switch-they do something called a hedge and recover.

Were Morgan and Stewie occasionally involved with switching perimeter defense while at UCONN? Absolutely they were, because they were extraordinary perimeter defenders.

So everything you say is true, except for when it isn't true? OK.

 

[CocoHusky]

A 4 at UCONN (or anywhere else for that matter) is not involved with switching perimeter defense. Post players (4&5) if caught on a high ball screen do not switch-they do something called a hedge and recover.

Were Morgan and Stewie occasionally involved with switching perimeter defense while at UCONN? Absolutely they were, because they were extraordinary perimeter defenders.

So everything you say is true, except for when it isn't true? OK.

Correct. Just when I was beginning to think there is no hope for you you surprise me.

 

[cancontent]

I recall someone commenting on Aaliyah's motor in comparison to Candace Parker. Personally, I wouldn't be concerned.

Regardless who she's played for (Kingston Impact, Team Ontario, Crestwood, Canada Basketball, etc.), she puts in the effort on both ends. She's never been one to take it easy from what I've seen over the years.

UCONN fans, just enjoy what will develop and hope that the season goes off without any complications. This is a special freshman class, including the walk-on. Let Geno do what he does and see what happens.

 

[eebmg]

Aliyah giving all out effort is as sure as the sun rising. She is so focused and mature. I just love the Pheesa comparison and she will work hard to reach it. As I said earlier, one of the great things about going to UConn is that you can set your target with other great players who came before and work towards it.

 

[CocoHusky]

I recall someone commenting on Aaliyah's motor in comparison to Candace Parker. Personally, I wouldn't be concerned.

Regardless who she's played for (Kingston Impact, Team Ontario, Crestwood, Canada Basketball, etc.), she puts in the effort on both ends. She's never been one to take it easy from what I've seen over the years.

UCONN fans, just enjoy what will develop and hope that the season goes off without any complications. This is a special freshman class, including the walk-on. Let Geno do what he does and see what happens.

Candace Parker gets no love here on the BY- this was self inflicted.
The BY has ZERO concerns about Aliyah's motor. Your words about her effort on both ends of the court echo the words of her coach which started this thread. On the BY her coach is the the ultimate authority.
Aliyah's future at UCONN is bright. And speaking of bright there were a few BYers who wrongly swore up and down that Aliyah would have to change her purple and yellow tribute hair once she got to UCONN.

 

[oldude]

And speaking of bright there were a few BYers who wrongly swore up and down that Aliyah would have to change her purple and yellow tribute hair once she got to UCONN.

As someone who expressed a strong hope that Aaliyah would be allowed to keep her colorful braids, I am delighted to see that Geno & the enforcer are mellowing in their old age.

 

[soxfan23]

My brain fart. I meant Griffin.

I don't subscribe to the idea that the position number dictates what a player does. Stewart was a 4 and roamed on the perimeter despite being a borderline 3 point shooter until her senior year. She was about a 32% for her first 3 years and I don't remember defenses sagging off her.

Are you suggesting that Collier had an effective 3 point shot and just failed to use it? You better have something to back that up because she never showed one in 4 years. And if Collier could play as a 4 then why not Griffin? Same height and I'd say that Griffin is more athletic. 4 or 3 makes little difference at UConn. I doubt Geno says to his players: "Today, Collier, you are a 4 so you can't shoot 3's but next week you will play the 3 and do all the things you did as a 4 except you will need to shoot 3's. Position roles at UConn are very fluid. In a switching man to man we often see a UConn 4 switching to guard a 2 outside and often a 3 is asked to guard a 4.

No, I am not suggesting that all, I am not sure why you would think I was. The WHOLE reason this debate started was because I said Griffin is BETTER suited to play the 4, so you are in agreement with me. 4 or 3 makes a huge difference at UConn, and any other school in the country! Sure, the 4 can step out and knock down a 3pt jump shot, but UConn primarily uses the 4 on the blocks or at the foul line in a high/low game. The 3 is required to handle the ball more, shoot the 3 ball, and slash more. Will a 3 occasionally post up with her back to the basket? Sure, but not very often.