Early Season Surprises/Notes

[SCspur]

Umm, not sure we really know that yet. Of the 4 games you have played, only 1 was against a top team-#14 by Massey- Maryland who shot 22-70 and 2-16 from 3’s. I was at that game and attribute the poor shooting to poor shooting not great defense (by either team as SC was 19-60 and 1-9).
The other games were #314 Alabama St; #213 Appalachian St and #71 Dayton. The 2 games that will tell us are Indiana and Baylor. Then you can talk about defense after those games. Also a direct comparison will be when you play at #111 Temple on Dec 7. But against cupcakes like #324 SC Update, don’t tout anything, it is unbecoming.

Say what you will but the numbers speak for themselves. It doesn’t matter who the competition is that’s an impressive thing for a young team. Despite the bad shooting I highly doubt Indiana is as good as Maryland and Baylor is also without their best player. Playing Temple won’t tell us anything either as we’ve blown the owls out every time we’ve played them. Not sure if you addressed that since UConn just played them but they haven’t looked that good against Vandy or Cal (two bottom feeder teams in their conference). I doubt playing a different or tougher team will negate the defensive output that will be displayed. They lead the country in Blocks for a reason and I can guarantee that will be no fluke!

 

[huskeynut]

The wife and I saw Texas live vs USF. Texas is a bad team.

First, they are out of shape. They were holding their shorts at the end of the first half. Second, their shot selection is poor. The offense is more run and gun by the guards than anything else. Holmes and Collier are their two bigs. Not impressed with either. Their defense is not bad but the are really susceptible to back door cuts and the dribble drive.

USF is a good to very good team. They are guard oriented and they have three guards that can light it up from beyond the arc. Their best guard is recovering from surgery and hasn't played yet.

Aston will be on the hot seat a lot sooner than later.

 

[DallasBUFan]

Say what you will but the numbers speak for themselves. It doesn’t matter who the competition is that’s an impressive thing for a young team. Despite the bad shooting I highly doubt Indiana is as good as Maryland and Baylor is also without their best player. Playing Temple won’t tell us anything either as we’ve blown the owls out every time we’ve played them. Not sure if you addressed that since UConn just played them but they haven’t looked that good against Vandy or Cal (two bottom feeder teams in their conference). I doubt playing a different or tougher team will negate the defensive output that will be displayed. They lead the country in Blocks for a reason and I can guarantee that will be no fluke!

You lead the nation in blocks after 3 games....When that is 10-15 then I would be using that. But right now all stats are a little all over the place since teams are playing a lot of cupcakes and most teams are still figuring out there offense. Some teams have only played 2 games. Heck Baylor is no.2 in 3pt fg percentage. Because they have only taken 20!

The better indications in the stats for defense would be opponents field goal percentage defense, scoring defense, defensive rebounds

 

[bballnut90]

Umm, not sure we really know that yet. Of the 4 games you have played, only 1 was against a top team-#14 by Massey- Maryland who shot 22-70 and 2-16 from 3’s. I was at that game and attribute the poor shooting to poor shooting not great defense (by either team as SC was 19-60 and 1-9).
The other games were #314 Alabama St; #213 Appalachian St and #71 Dayton. The 2 games that will tell us are Indiana and Baylor. Then you can talk about defense after those games. Also a direct comparison will be when you play at #111 Temple on Dec 7. But against cupcakes like #324 SC Update, don’t tout anything, it is unbecoming.

You can't just say MD missed shots as an excuse--SC handily beat them on the road and looked good defensively. On the roster they have Tyasha Harris who is very good defensively in the backcourt along with MHH who is an excellent shot blocker and defender at 6-2. Most important, Aliyah Boston has been fantastic thus far on both ends. She had 7 blocks against Maryland and they pretty much stopped going at her after she dominated defensively in the 2nd quarter. The other starters are two athletic freshmen who fill out the roster well. Dawn is also known for having very good defensive teams. Even though they've only played a few games, I think it's safe to conclude that SC is going to be a strong defensive team.

 

[SCspur]

You lead the nation in blocks after 3 games....When that is 10-15 then I would be using that. But right now all stats are a little all over the place since teams are playing a lot of cupcakes and most teams are still figuring out there offense. Some teams have only played 2 games. Heck Baylor is no.2 in 3pt fg percentage. Because they have only taken 20!

The better indications in the stats for defense would be opponents field goal percentage defense, scoring defense, defensive rebounds

It’s just a key stat that I thought I should point out for a very young team. Boston already has 20 block shots through 4 games, regardless of who it’s against that’s impressive. What’s more impressive is we have two more players who has more than 10 blocks as well.

So far they’ve held their opponents to 25% percent shooting granted it was weaker competition but that’s very good for a youthful squad.

Of course Baylor will be a different test within itself but I’m definitely liking what I’m seeing so far.

 

[DallasBUFan]

It’s just a key stat that I thought I should point out for a very young team. Boston already has 20 block shots through 4 games, regardless of who it’s against that’s impressive. What’s more impressive is we have two more players who has more than 10 blocks as well.

So far they’ve held their opponents to 25% percent shooting granted it was weaker competition but that’s very good for a youthful squad.

Of course Baylor will be a different test within itself but I’m definitely liking what I’m seeing so far.

Especially because they are holding opponents to 21%

 

[Dwilliams02]

It’s just a key stat that I thought I should point out for a very young team. Boston already has 20 block shots through 4 games, regardless of who it’s against that’s impressive. What’s more impressive is we have two more players who has more than 10 blocks as well.

So far they’ve held their opponents to 25% percent shooting granted it was weaker competition but that’s very good for a youthful squad.

Of course Baylor will be a different test within itself but I’m definitely liking what I’m seeing so far.

Might as well stand with your time. Weak opponent or not. SC is better than last year. Great defensively. Every top team has dominated their opponent. Baylor. SC. Oregon just stands out right now.

 

[LoTrader]

Might as well stand with your time. Weak opponent or not. SC is better than last year. Great defensively. Every top team has dominated their opponent. Baylor. SC. Oregon just stands out right now.

Baylor stands out only because they are Baylor, not based on their games played thus far. Oregon and SC have actually played real opponents. I have no doubt about Baylor being a top 5 team at this point, but not based on their record in this WCBB Season.

 

[LoTrader]

Saw this posted on OSU's "Benny's House" WCBB Board: Women’s College Basketball Players Rankings – Class by Class! Week 2

There may be a few early season surprises for some.

 

[SCspur]

At least I’m not the only one talking about it.

 

[Coler]

I wouldve bet big money Duke stays a national power under GG. @CamrnCrz1974 has made lengthy posts on here outlining how Duke wouldve likely progressed under Gail. Likely would've landed the Ogwumikes and Diggins, plus she had a ton of talent lined up with her 2007 class that had 3 players who all have recently played in the WNBA. Not to mention Chante Black/Abby Waner among others.

I think the biggest issue for GG at Texas, besides recruiting, was she just never seemed fully invested. The passion was gone and she couldve revive the program. If her heart is in the right place I'd try to hire her over almost anyone else in WCBB right now. She doesnt have any titles to her names, but year in and year out she hung with Pat and Geno better than anyone else from 99-07.

Also didn’t it come out that an assistant coach(don’t remember who) of Jody Conradt who wasn’t kept by GG, went around to all the AAU coaches and talked some stuff on GG so she was pretty much blackballed recruiting in Texas?
I remember reading an article on it.

 

[ochoopsfan]

This freshman plays for Penn. I saw her play against a local HS team last year and was amazed by her handles.
Kayla Padilla is very good. I hope when Penn comes to the New England Ivy teams some of you can see her play;
Shooting 53% and 42% from downtown and averaging 17.7ppg so far.

Kayla Padilla Named Ivy League Rookie of the Week - University of Pennsylvania Athletics

PHILADELPHIA – Following one of the best starts to a career in program history, Kayla Padilla, of the University of Pennsylvania women's basketball team, earned

pennathletics.com

 

[Plebe]

Also didn’t it come out that an assistant coach(don’t remember who) of Jody Conradt who wasn’t kept by GG, went around to all the AAU coaches and talked some stuff on GG so she was pretty much blackballed recruiting in Texas?
I remember reading an article on it.

I've heard something like this said about Clarissa Davis (former UT great player from the 80s and later an assistant to Conradt). If someone has a link to an article on this, I'd sure like to see it.

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

I've heard something like this said about Clarissa Davis (former UT great player from the 80s and later an assistant to Conradt). If someone has a link to an article on this, I'd sure like to see it.

I think I read an article, but Clarissa Davis was also an assistant for Rutgers for one year and I heard about it through someone Rutgers team connected, I don't remember who. I rarely heard things, but when I did they were good as gold. So yes, it apparently happened.

 

[Dwilliams02]

Baylor stands out only because they are Baylor, not based on their games played thus far. Oregon and SC have actually played real opponents. I have no doubt about Baylor being a top 5 team at this point, but not based on their record in this WCBB Season.

Actually. Oregon has not played anyone yet. If we want to be technical. Team USA win was very impressive.... But it don't count as a strength in their schedule..... Playing UConn. Louisville... Syracuse... The PAC 12 does though.... Baylor may have not played anyone. But seeing players like Queen Egbo, Nalyssa, DeGrate making impact is a good sign. Especially if Cox sitting out for any period of time.

 

[Dwilliams02]

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Baylor stands out only because they are Baylor, not based on their games played thus far. Oregon and SC have actually played real opponents. I have no doubt about Baylor being a top 5 team at this point, but not based on their record in this WCBB Season.

All I was speaking on is that people might as well stand firm with their impression of their team because there will always be someone to say they haven't played anyone or just pick out a little thing to object it

 

[LoTrader]

Actually. Oregon has not played anyone yet. If we want to be technical. Team USA win was very impressive.... But it don't count as a strength in their schedule..... Playing UConn. Louisville... Syracuse... The PAC 12 does though.... Baylor may have not played anyone. But seeing players like Queen Egbo, Nalyssa, DeGrate making impact is a good sign. Especially if Cox sitting out for any period of time.

When UO wins vs Team USA, technicalities are irrelevant as someone previously posted. I'm not dissing Baylor. Baylor is legit, and, will likely end up undefeated (or 1 loss) when they enter the NCAA Tournament as a #1 seed.

 

[CocoHusky]

Besides Boston for South Carolina there are a couple of more freshmen bigs that are playing pretty well for their respective teams. Kennedy Brown for OSU has started all 4 games and playing pretty well. River Balwin has not started a game for FSU but she playing to her strength close to the basket and shooting over 80%.

 

[bballnut90]

Besides Boston for South Carolina there are a couple of more freshmen bigs that are playing pretty well for their respective teams. Kennedy Brown for OSU has started all 4 games and playing pretty well. River Balwin has not started a game for FSU but she playing to her strength close to the basket and shooting over 80%.

Taylor Jones at OSU is also starting and averaging 16/7 for OSU. Had 24/9 vs. DePaul.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Taylor Jones at OSU is also starting and averaging 16/7 for OSU. Had 24/9 vs. DePaul.

Was shooting 61% from the field heading into today's game. She went 8-12 so that number will go up a bit.

 

[LoTrader]

Taya Corosdale, OSU starting 3/4, is out for the season. Tore her hamstring, and, scheduled for surgery. BIG loss for Oregon State.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

Holly probably had more good wins but also *a lot* more bad losses. She lost to Alabama like 5 or 6 times in a row and dropped games to some other bottom feeders. Texas underachieved a lot but rarely lost to sub-100 teams.

Edit: And as for "big wins," Aston beat Tennessee three years in a row and Stanford two years in a row (2015-16), in addition to the win at Baylor in 2017. She appeared to have the Texas program moving in the right direction until the wheels seemed to come off in the 2017-18 season.

There have been much worse coaches than Holly.

She didn't tank the program or anything. Just underachieved.

 

[DefenseBB]

There have been much worse coaches than Holly.

She didn't tank the program or anything. Just underachieved.

FROM a D1 College Coach perspective she was average. From taking over the second most storied program in WCBB history, and to have what happened the way it did, losing 2-3-4 thousand fanes per home game, dividing a passionate fan base, exposing a completely dysfunctional culture, heck yeah, I say she did tank a program. Not that I minded...

 

[KnightBridgeAZ]

FROM a D1 College Coach perspective she was average. From taking over the second most storied program in WCBB history, and to have what happened the way it did, losing 2-3-4 thousand fanes per home game, dividing a passionate fan base, exposing a completely dysfunctional culture, heck yeah, I say she did tank a program. Not that I minded...

Very good points. I am not sure that anyone could have done that much better, however. But her teams often just looked so bad doing it.

Never follow a legend. I feel for whoever follows Geno. Unless they duplicate his success, which isn't really likely. You can't even say "if they are in the family" - Holly was "in the family" for Tennessee and accomplished all the negatives you relate.

Yes, as an on-court coach, she was average or even slightly better, not terrible but not good enough that I would expect any major programs are wanting her.

 

[mbr33ct]

Holly actually won big games

It was the Alabama's of the world Holly had issues with.

 

[billybud]

Way too early to tell about FSU....but we will know more by early Dec. as the girls play #6 Texas A&M on Dec. 1 and #15 Michigan State on Dec.5.

...at 5-0...The Noles have had a scoring margin of 33.4 per game...averaged 16.2 more rebounds per game than their opponents and averaged 6 blocks per game.

Freshman Center, River Baldwin, has 12 blocks and has averaged 7.4 points in her first games...three players are averaging double digits in points...Woolfolk (16), Ekhomu (15.6), and Gillespie (13.2).

 

[Shmermerer]

Way too early to tell about FSU....but we will know more by early Dec. as the girls play #6 Texas A&M on Dec. 1 and #15 Michigan State on Dec.5.

...at 5-0...The Noles have had a scoring margin of 33.4 per game...averaged 16.2 more rebounds per game than their opponents and averaged 6 blocks per game.

Freshman Center, River Baldwin, has 12 blocks and has averaged 7.4 points in her first games...three players are averaging double digits in points...Woolfolk (16), Ekhomu (15.6), and Gillespie (13.2).

I think FSU is a little overhyped. They haven’t played anyone. Have has some close quarters. I see them taking a few questionable losses.

 

[billybud]

I think FSU will make the tournament...win the first round, and go out the second round.

Outside chance at the Sixteen based on 2nd round match up.

No...they haven't played anyone yet...other than maybe unranked LSU in Baton Rouge.

Yes, the Noles may lose a game or three that they shouldn't...but they are also capable of upsetting a better team.

"Overhyped" ?...haven't seen much hype...ranked at #12...and that should shake out in a couple of weeks after the Aggies and Michigan State.

I will be watching the development of River Baldwin...she is just five games into her college career.

Too bad Nicoletti (top 5 guard) is out for season with ACL...I think that she would have made some difference. FSU is beat up now...with only 9 available players....should get two back in December, if recovered from injury.