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CL82 said:
It's problematic.
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I mean... sure. But creators getting hate DMs is like internet 101. It's really not a huge deal. If you make provocative things expect provocative responses
 
JMick said:
I mean... sure. But creators getting hate DMs is like internet 101. It's really not a huge deal. If you make provocative things expect provocative responses
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Yeah, but those comments really shouldn't be "I'm going find out who you are" particularly if the person making the comment is a media figure. At best, it's a really bad look.

For what it's worth, I think the kid who made this thing has been incredibly savvy. Using Jeff Goodman's douchery against him so publicly is another smart move by him. I agree with @Hans Sprungfeld that the kid should rebrand his efforts in a way that isn't a trademark violation. Personally, I'd like to see more of these. Given his success with the first one I would expect they won't be flattering to the teams they focus on though.
 
Goodman has pretty publicly been a Hurley and UConn hater. I don't wish ill-will on anyone, but the guy is just a total and hopefully this whole thing tarnishes his reputation. I actually think the kid who made these films did a pretty decent job and if the Big East were smart they'd be reaching out to the kid to partner with him.
 
CL82 said:
Yeah, but those comments really shouldn't be "I'm going find out who you are" particularly if the person making the comment is a media figure. At best, it's a really bad look.

For what it's worth, I think the kid who made this thing has been incredibly savvy. Using Jeff Goodman's douchery against him so publicly is another smart move by him. I agree with @Hans Sprungfeld that the kid should rebrand his efforts in a way that isn't a trademark violation. Personally, I'd like to see more of these. Given his success with the first one I would expect they won't be flattering to the teams they focus on though.
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The kid made a documentary and put it out there for the world to see. I don't see why saying someone is going to find out who he is, is that big of a deal. Sure if he said he was going to track him down and kick his _ then that's different. It's not like he's just posting on Twitter or Reddit or a message board - most people that make documentaries want the credit. Not wanting credit makes me wonder what the actual motives behind the series are.

The kid would be dumb to not use this to catapult his career, though. He won't get real media figures to participate but he can lean into it and do voice changer shadow interviews with people and parody the situation
 
JMick said:
The kid made a documentary and put it out there for the world to see. I don't see why saying someone is going to find out who he is, is that big of a deal. Sure if he said he was going to track him down and kick his _ then that's different. It's not like he's just posting on Twitter or Reddit or a message board - most people that make documentaries want the credit. Not wanting credit makes me wonder what the actual motives behind the series are.

The kid would be dumb to not use this to catapult his career, though. He won't get real media figures to participate but he can lean into it and do voice changer shadow interviews with people and parody the situation
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Shrugs… It's problematic.

Agree, that the kids should leverage their kerfuffle on all this to produce more films. Minimally, he can monetize his YouTube account off of it, but right now he's got a ton of juice so maybe he can do more with it. I like the idea of whomever posted that he should change his name to "Beast Films".
 
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CL82 said:
Shrugs… It's problematic.

Agree, that the kids should leverage their kerfuffle on all this to produce more films. Minimally, he can monetize his YouTube account off of it, but right now he's got a ton of juice so maybe he can do more with it. I like the idea of whomever posted that he should change his name to "Beast Films".
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"Big Least Films" or would Charles Barkley come after him for that.
 
CL82 said:
Yeah, but those comments really shouldn't be "I'm going find out who you are" particularly if the person making the comment is a media figure. At best, it's a really bad look.

For what it's worth, I think the kid who made this thing has been incredibly savvy. Using Jeff Goodman's douchery against him so publicly is another smart move by him. I agree with @Hans Sprungfeld that the kid should rebrand his efforts in a way that isn't a trademark violation. Personally, I'd like to see more of these. Given his success with the first one I would expect they won't be flattering to the teams they focus on though.
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Those spreading the rumors should be worried if the rumors are not true. The guy lost his job from what I've read.

If I were him, and the rumors are false, I'd be suing everyone involved.

But I don't even know who the hell he is, so I'm just going to follow this trash and see how it unfolds.
 
krinklecut said:
A mainstream media guy privately telling a young amateur documentarian who made a documentary on a niche topic that he’s going to track him down and make sure he either has to pay a lot of money or he might end up in jail is mean spirited and bully behavior. It’s insane.
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This.

The more ominous part of it is that Goodman initially tried to finagle the guy’s real name by telling him that he loved the documentary, etc. When he was rebuffed, that’s when he started to mention lawsuits and jail. He was miffed that he wasn’t going to be able to present the guy’s name whoever sent him on that fool’s errand.

He and Dauster are both twits; the gatekeeping they’ve done on a few occasions is embarrassing. They picked a fight with a guy who was a sharper puncher.
 
JMick said:
Sure it's meanspirited but if you create media then you open yourself up to commentary. Isn't the blue demon guy a sitposter?
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Yeah he trolls people all the time. His snippet of Dauster's tweet to him about getting a lawyer was a response because he posted a douchey response on one of Dauster's videos.

Goodman crossed a line, but it seems kind of weird that this kid is complaining about it when he basically invites people to attack him.
 
Rico444 said:
Yeah he trolls people all the time. His snippet of Dauster's tweet to him about getting a lawyer was a response because he posted a douchey response on one of Dauster's videos.

Goodman crossed a line, but it seems kind of weird that this kid is complaining about it when he basically invites people to attack him.
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Yeah I don't really get why everyone is rushing to his defense. If Goodman was more likeable I think his actions would be viewed differently
 
temery said:
Those spreading the rumors should be worried if the rumors are not true. The guy lost his job from what I've read.

If I were him, and the rumors are false, I'd be suing everyone involved.

But I don't even know who the hell he is, so I'm just going to follow this trash and see how it unfolds.
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He didn’t lose his job. No one is getting sued here.

JMick said:
I mean... sure. But creators getting hate DMs is like internet 101. It's really not a huge deal. If you make provocative things expect provocative responses
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This is such a stupid take.

He didn’t get it from some rando; he got it from two principles of one of the larger media outlets in the space.

I used to get random nonsense all the time over the Boneyard. I never cared. Then one time I got a email and then call from a Hartford Courant columnist threatening that if I didn’t remove something about him, I would soon be spending all of my time dealing with Tribune lawyers.

That’s different.
 
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JMick said:
Yeah I don't really get why everyone is rushing to his defense. If Goodman was more likeable I think his actions would be viewed differently
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People are defending him because he made an entertaining film that had absolutely nothing to do with Goodman and Goodman got involved because he's friends with Cooley and it showed Cooley in a negative light.
 
JMick said:
Yeah I don't really get why everyone is rushing to his defense. If Goodman was more likeable I think his actions would be viewed differently
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Because one visible member of cbb media sent him a DM to lawyer up, and another visible member of cbb media sent DM's to him about how he was going to prison and that he was going to go Liam Neeson on him.

This isn't too difficult.
 
temery said:
Those spreading the rumors should be worried if the rumors are not true. The guy lost his job from what I've read.

If I were him, and the rumors are false, I'd be suing everyone involved.

But I don't even know who the hell he is, so I'm just going to follow this trash and see how it unfolds.
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What on earth would he sue for? There's no defamation here. What damages are there? No one has lost their job.

Big East Films has a better case for lawsuit than Goodman, Dauster, or Cooley.
 
Fishy said:
I used to get random nonsense all the time over the Boneyard. I never cared. Then one time I got a email and then call from a Hartford Courant columnist threatening that if I didn’t remove something about him, I would soon be spending all of my time dealing with Tribune lawyers.

That’s different.
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That is definitely different because someone was actually threatening legal action against you.

From what I can tell, Goodman was "informing" the doc maker that he heard he was getting sued. That's not really quite the same thing. Goodman is also full of it and I can't believe I find myself defending him because I can't stand him, but I just don't see the same thing in those messages that other people apparently do. Maybe there are messages Im not seeing or some other context that was left out.
 
JMick said:
That is definitely different because someone was actually threatening legal action against you.

From what I can tell, Goodman was "informing" the doc maker that he heard he was getting sued. That's not really quite the same thing. Goodman is also full of it and I can't believe I find myself defending him because I can't stand him, but I just don't see the same thing in those messages that other people apparently do. Maybe there are messages Im not seeing or some other context that was left out.
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Fair enough.

But if you look at it from the doc maker’s perspective, I think he would take the message much the same way I did.
 
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upstater said:
Now they Gottlieb up there fanning the flames. He went after PC, UConn and St. John's fans as examples of the worst fans. He thinks the people who made the video are from Providence apparently.

I'm guess DePaul fans are likely not from Providence.
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Is Gottlieb not the guy who was prosecuted for credit card theft while on scholarship at Notre Dame?
 
Fishy said:
Fair enough.

But if you look at it from the doc maker’s perspective, I think he would take the message much the same way I did.
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He did know, though. That's why he asked him who his source was - he wanted to know who told Goodman that he was going to be sued. The joke about Dauster is because Dauster told him to lawyer up. I actually see that as more of a threat than Goodman.

And in reality the kid could get sued for using trademarked material and the Big East name. He probably won't, it'll just be perpetually DMCA'd, but you can't just use other people's property or name - especially if it's being monetized.
 
I don’t follow college BB as closely as most of the community and haven’t a single earthly clue who this Goodman guy is, nor why he’d harass a YouTuber about DMCA infringement when he’s not the owner of the IP. Because he’s Cooley’s friend? Eh. More like he’s another one of these social media dudes desperate to generate clicks and attention. Just ignore his *ss.

Now if you get a call from an attorney representing Fox Sports…..that’s another matter. But clearly that is not this. His attorney telling him to stand down is IMO overly conservative.
 
JMick said:
Isn't the blue demon guy a sitposter?
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A pretty good one too.
Given that he's tied to DePaul, it's all the more impressive.

On a quick look, I chuckled both times when he tweeted "DePaul qualifies for the Big East tournament 15th year in a row!," followed by, "DePaul qualifies for the Big East Tournament 17th year in a row!" two years later.

I like that DePaul was UConn's BET day 1 opponent in 2011.
 
How Sway?! said:
Why subject the kid to even more gery?
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I think I'd argue that if barstool is behind someone, then maybe the situation isn't quite as black and white as people think.

I just hate the whole professional troll economy. Everyone in this situation is a part of it. Doc maker included. They all deserve each other.
 
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We're focused on the wrong kind of Goodman hate. On Sunday's Field of 68 he said he'd taken Braden Smith over Newton. Threats of violence are nothing compared to this level of disrespect!!!
 
superjohn said:
Because one visible member of cbb media sent him a DM to lawyer up, and another visible member of cbb media sent DM's to him about how he was going to prison and that he was going to go Liam Neeson on him.

This isn't too difficult.
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Sent Goodman DMs? I'm lost.
 
temery said:
Sent Goodman DMs? I'm lost.
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Bluedemon makes documentary that has a couple questionable sections that some people feel a certain way about

Goodman and Dauster don't like the documentary, presumably because of those sections and possibly because of Fanta's involvement

Dauster tells the bluedemon documentary guy to lawyer up

Goodman DMs the doc maker that he heard he's getting sued, won't go to jail, will go to jail, and tells him he's going to find out who he is

Doc maker tweets out the DMs
 
JMick said:
I think I'd argue that if barstool is behind someone, then maybe the situation isn't quite as black and white as people think.

I just hate the whole professional troll economy. Everyone in this situation is a part of it. Doc maker included. They all deserve each other.
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You think DePaul kid is a Big Cat plant?
 
JMick said:
Bluedemon makes documentary that has a couple questionable sections that some people feel a certain way about

Goodman and Dauster don't like the documentary, presumably because of those sections and possibly because of Fanta's involvement

Dauster tells the bluedemon documentary guy to lawyer up

Goodman DMs the doc maker that he heard he's getting sued, won't go to jail, will go to jail, and tells him he's going to find out who he is

Doc maker tweets out the DMs
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Ahhh, well.
 
superjohn said:
You think DePaul kid is a Big Cat plant?
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No. I think their opinions are usually garbage so if they're for or against something it probably requires more scrutiny.
 
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