Dom Amore: If Big 12 calls, UConn will have to choose between Big East love and Power Five money.

[NHRich]

Hard to believe that the awful negatives would come out like that if there was any chance. There
are better ways to say you are going in a different
direction. No need to be total jerks . F… the big 12.

 

[mikedog10]

There is a TON of UConn talk in this new article from CBS Sports this morning:

Inside the Big 12's pursuit of Gonzaga, UConn as Brett Yormark aims to increase league's basketball dominance

Whether Yormark has the support from the rest of the Big 12 remains to be seen

www.cbssports.com

————————
“Blue blood? Gonzaga? Small sample size? All of it is still up for debate, but the Zags' worth is reflected in the Big 12's shift of priorities. While the league's interest in recruiting Pac-12 teamsremains, adding Gonzaga (basketball only) and UConn (full membership) is dominating league conversations.”

“The feeling locally regarding a UConn move has been described as mixed.

On one hand, migration to the Big 12 would cause the school to lose its identity; it would be losing at least some ties to the Northeast and Big East rivals to play in such far-flung outposts as Stillwater, Oklahoma, and Ames, Iowa.

UConn, entering Year 4 in its return to the Big East, would reportedly owe the conference at least $30 million in exit fees if it departed before its seventh year as a member. That's for an athletic department reportedly $53 million in the red already.

The Huskies are a snapshot themselves of realignment. Prior to this year, their last national championship was achieved in 2014 as a member of the American where they played with two of the Big 12's four most recent expansion teams: Houston and UCF.

The Big East has regained a lot of its old swagger and respect because UConn is a member. With Georgetown (Ed Cooley) and St. John's (Rick Pitino) adding significant coaches this offseason, the league has gotten even stronger. One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself.

On the other hand, well, there's that Big 12 money. Per a 12-year deal signed with Fox in 2012, the 11-team Big East averages $42 million annually or $3.8 million per school. (UConn left the Big East for the American in 2013 and returned to the Big East in 2020.) The Big 12 just distributed $440 million in total revenue to its 10 members for 2022-23 fiscal year, an average of $44 million per school. Though again, that is powered by football rights.

UConn wouldn't get that anytime soon, but think of any new additions to the Big 12 as a growth stock if handled the right way. With the SEC and Big Ten dominating college athletics, the idea may be to round up as many brands as possible to become a solid No. 3 conference in the pecking order. That matters in terms of security, finances and access to both the NCAA Tournament and College Football Playoff.

In the end, the Big 12 may appeal to UConn's sensibilities. In the realignment merry-go-round, the school has seldom been courted like this. Yormark is a Northeast guy with big ideas and extensive ties to New York.

His league is already considering a series of exhibition basketball games in New York's famed Rucker Park next summer. Think of Kansas, Baylor, UConn and Gonzaga taking part. That's the last three national champions plus a Zags team that has twice played for the national title since 2017 and been to eight consecutive Sweet 16s.”

“Would UConn be persuaded with more Big 12 money and "nearby" teams in Cincinnati, West Virginia and UCF?

All of it might depend on your definition of younger, hipper, cooler.”

 

[Urcea]

There is a TON of UConn talk in this new article from CBS Sports this morning:

Inside the Big 12's pursuit of Gonzaga, UConn as Brett Yormark aims to increase league's basketball dominance

Whether Yormark has the support from the rest of the Big 12 remains to be seen

www.cbssports.com

————————
“Blue blood? Gonzaga? Small sample size? All of it is still up for debate, but the Zags' worth is reflected in the Big 12's shift of priorities. While the league's interest in recruiting Pac-12 teamsremains, adding Gonzaga (basketball only) and UConn (full membership) is dominating league conversations.”

“The feeling locally regarding a UConn move has been described as mixed.

On one hand, migration to the Big 12 would cause the school to lose its identity; it would be losing at least some ties to the Northeast and Big East rivals to play in such far-flung outposts as Stillwater, Oklahoma, and Ames, Iowa.

UConn, entering Year 4 in its return to the Big East, would reportedly owe the conference at least $30 million in exit fees if it departed before its seventh year as a member. That's for an athletic department reportedly $53 million in the red already.

The Huskies are a snapshot themselves of realignment. Prior to this year, their last national championship was achieved in 2014 as a member of the American where they played with two of the Big 12's four most recent expansion teams: Houston and UCF.

The Big East has regained a lot of its old swagger and respect because UConn is a member. With Georgetown (Ed Cooley) and St. John's (Rick Pitino) adding significant coaches this offseason, the league has gotten even stronger. One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself.

On the other hand, well, there's that Big 12 money. Per a 12-year deal signed with Fox in 2012, the 11-team Big East averages $42 million annually or $3.8 million per school. (UConn left the Big East for the American in 2013 and returned to the Big East in 2020.) The Big 12 just distributed $440 million in total revenue to its 10 members for 2022-23 fiscal year, an average of $44 million per school. Though again, that is powered by football rights.

UConn wouldn't get that anytime soon, but think of any new additions to the Big 12 as a growth stock if handled the right way. With the SEC and Big Ten dominating college athletics, the idea may be to round up as many brands as possible to become a solid No. 3 conference in the pecking order. That matters in terms of security, finances and access to both the NCAA Tournament and College Football Playoff.

In the end, the Big 12 may appeal to UConn's sensibilities. In the realignment merry-go-round, the school has seldom been courted like this. Yormark is a Northeast guy with big ideas and extensive ties to New York.

His league is already considering a series of exhibition basketball games in New York's famed Rucker Park next summer. Think of Kansas, Baylor, UConn and Gonzaga taking part. That's the last three national champions plus a Zags team that has twice played for the national title since 2017 and been to eight consecutive Sweet 16s.”

“Would UConn be persuaded with more Big 12 money and "nearby" teams in Cincinnati, West Virginia and UCF?

All of it might depend on your definition of younger, hipper, cooler.”

nitpicking, but "as a member of the American where they played with two of the Big 12's four most recent expansion teams: Houston and UCF" - missing somebody?

also, the One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself" conjecture is going to fuel anti-Big 12 rhetoric for the next week, great

 

[John]

also, the One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself"

so is he a UConn guy or not? The whole article is ridiculous.

 

[Palatine]

nitpicking, but "as a member of the American where they played with two of the Big 12's four most recent expansion teams: Houston and UCF" - missing somebody?

also, the One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself" conjecture is going to fuel anti-Big 12 rhetoric for the next week, great

Everyone knows his dream job is Providence.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The reality is that unless we can somehow in the not too distant future developed sufficient gravitas as an independent football program to land bowl tie-ins and a television deal that can support the program (basically become Notre Dame lite), membership in the Big East is only a placeholder until the day arrives that a major, all sports conference offers us a bid.

The danger that we are facing is that with the money we are bleeding, there may not be enough left of our athletic department to demonstrate sufficient value to a major, all sports conference if they do start looking.

 

[huskymedic]

There is a TON of UConn talk in this new article from CBS Sports this morning:

Inside the Big 12's pursuit of Gonzaga, UConn as Brett Yormark aims to increase league's basketball dominance

Whether Yormark has the support from the rest of the Big 12 remains to be seen

www.cbssports.com

————————
“Blue blood? Gonzaga? Small sample size? All of it is still up for debate, but the Zags' worth is reflected in the Big 12's shift of priorities. While the league's interest in recruiting Pac-12 teamsremains, adding Gonzaga (basketball only) and UConn (full membership) is dominating league conversations.”

“The feeling locally regarding a UConn move has been described as mixed.

On one hand, migration to the Big 12 would cause the school to lose its identity; it would be losing at least some ties to the Northeast and Big East rivals to play in such far-flung outposts as Stillwater, Oklahoma, and Ames, Iowa.

UConn, entering Year 4 in its return to the Big East, would reportedly owe the conference at least $30 million in exit fees if it departed before its seventh year as a member. That's for an athletic department reportedly $53 million in the red already.

The Huskies are a snapshot themselves of realignment. Prior to this year, their last national championship was achieved in 2014 as a member of the American where they played with two of the Big 12's four most recent expansion teams: Houston and UCF.

The Big East has regained a lot of its old swagger and respect because UConn is a member. With Georgetown (Ed Cooley) and St. John's (Rick Pitino) adding significant coaches this offseason, the league has gotten even stronger. One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself.

On the other hand, well, there's that Big 12 money. Per a 12-year deal signed with Fox in 2012, the 11-team Big East averages $42 million annually or $3.8 million per school. (UConn left the Big East for the American in 2013 and returned to the Big East in 2020.) The Big 12 just distributed $440 million in total revenue to its 10 members for 2022-23 fiscal year, an average of $44 million per school. Though again, that is powered by football rights.

UConn wouldn't get that anytime soon, but think of any new additions to the Big 12 as a growth stock if handled the right way. With the SEC and Big Ten dominating college athletics, the idea may be to round up as many brands as possible to become a solid No. 3 conference in the pecking order. That matters in terms of security, finances and access to both the NCAA Tournament and College Football Playoff.

In the end, the Big 12 may appeal to UConn's sensibilities. In the realignment merry-go-round, the school has seldom been courted like this. Yormark is a Northeast guy with big ideas and extensive ties to New York.

His league is already considering a series of exhibition basketball games in New York's famed Rucker Park next summer. Think of Kansas, Baylor, UConn and Gonzaga taking part. That's the last three national champions plus a Zags team that has twice played for the national title since 2017 and been to eight consecutive Sweet 16s.”

“Would UConn be persuaded with more Big 12 money and "nearby" teams in Cincinnati, West Virginia and UCF?

All of it might depend on your definition of younger, hipper, cooler.”

 

[Windham4th]

Is there a way, in forum settings, to auto-block posts that use the keyword “on-campus stadium”???

You'd miss the posts about getting Robert Kraft to build it and have the Pats play there too.

 

[Dizzy21]

Looks like Arizona and Colorado are getting the invite and UConn once again is getting left behind.

There is a TON of UConn talk in this new article from CBS Sports this morning:

Inside the Big 12's pursuit of Gonzaga, UConn as Brett Yormark aims to increase league's basketball dominance

Whether Yormark has the support from the rest of the Big 12 remains to be seen

www.cbssports.com

————————
“Blue blood? Gonzaga? Small sample size? All of it is still up for debate, but the Zags' worth is reflected in the Big 12's shift of priorities. While the league's interest in recruiting Pac-12 teamsremains, adding Gonzaga (basketball only) and UConn (full membership) is dominating league conversations.”

“The feeling locally regarding a UConn move has been described as mixed.

On one hand, migration to the Big 12 would cause the school to lose its identity; it would be losing at least some ties to the Northeast and Big East rivals to play in such far-flung outposts as Stillwater, Oklahoma, and Ames, Iowa.

UConn, entering Year 4 in its return to the Big East, would reportedly owe the conference at least $30 million in exit fees if it departed before its seventh year as a member. That's for an athletic department reportedly $53 million in the red already.

The Huskies are a snapshot themselves of realignment. Prior to this year, their last national championship was achieved in 2014 as a member of the American where they played with two of the Big 12's four most recent expansion teams: Houston and UCF.

The Big East has regained a lot of its old swagger and respect because UConn is a member. With Georgetown (Ed Cooley) and St. John's (Rick Pitino) adding significant coaches this offseason, the league has gotten even stronger. One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself.

On the other hand, well, there's that Big 12 money. Per a 12-year deal signed with Fox in 2012, the 11-team Big East averages $42 million annually or $3.8 million per school. (UConn left the Big East for the American in 2013 and returned to the Big East in 2020.) The Big 12 just distributed $440 million in total revenue to its 10 members for 2022-23 fiscal year, an average of $44 million per school. Though again, that is powered by football rights.

UConn wouldn't get that anytime soon, but think of any new additions to the Big 12 as a growth stock if handled the right way. With the SEC and Big Ten dominating college athletics, the idea may be to round up as many brands as possible to become a solid No. 3 conference in the pecking order. That matters in terms of security, finances and access to both the NCAA Tournament and College Football Playoff.

In the end, the Big 12 may appeal to UConn's sensibilities. In the realignment merry-go-round, the school has seldom been courted like this. Yormark is a Northeast guy with big ideas and extensive ties to New York.

His league is already considering a series of exhibition basketball games in New York's famed Rucker Park next summer. Think of Kansas, Baylor, UConn and Gonzaga taking part. That's the last three national champions plus a Zags team that has twice played for the national title since 2017 and been to eight consecutive Sweet 16s.”

“Would UConn be persuaded with more Big 12 money and "nearby" teams in Cincinnati, West Virginia and UCF?

All of it might depend on your definition of younger, hipper, cooler.”

The whole problem is that the Big 12s media contract is structured that if they take a P5 team, like the ones from the Pac-12, they automatically get paid the per team share without taking from any member team. With UConn, the members would probably have to accept a lesser payment for UConn to join.

This makes adding the PAC-12 teams definitely much more attractive.

 

[Patman]

so is he a UConn guy or not? The whole article is ridiculous.

hate that you have to parse out personal agendas with these things and statements like that reek of them. Is it pro-BE, anti-Big 12, to what end I suppose depends on the writer. National guy who is mostly football would want to stir the pot to the basketball people. If its a basketball focused Big East type writer they want to do the same but to keep UConn in as opposed to keeping UConn away.

 

[Patman]

The whole problem is that the Big 12s media contract is structured that if they take a P5 team, like the ones from the Pac-12, they automatically get paid the per team share without taking from any member team. With UConn, the members would probably have to accept a lesser payment for UConn to join.

This makes adding the PAC-12 teams definitely much more attractive.

when is the b12 contract over?

 

[metsfan2323]

also, the One veteran Big East source even suggested a move to the Big 12 would not only enable suitors to come after UConn coach Danny Hurley, the coach might even begin looking elsewhere himself" conjecture is going to fuel anti-Big 12 rhetoric for the next week, great

Which team in the Big East would have the financial resources to pay Hurley and his staff like we would with B12 revenue?

 

[Wildgopher]

The whole problem is that the Big 12s media contract is structured that if they take a P5 team, like the ones from the Pac-12, they automatically get paid the per team share without taking from any member team. With UConn, the members would probably have to accept a lesser payment for UConn to join.

This makes adding the PAC-12 teams definitely much more attractive.

It has been reported that the networks will accept UConn as a P-5 team as far as payments to the conference go.

 

[metsfan2323]

It has been reported that the networks will accept UConn as a P-5 team as far as payments to the conference go.

Which is why I don't understand why the ACC doesn't make move to add UConn, it would increase the amount of money for the top teams in their revenue redistribution pool.

Their hatred toward UConn must run deep, especially at a time when they could really use another top basketball program. The ACC seems to be willing to concede basketball status to the B12 rather than add UConn when it would benefit them financially to do so, that is some hardcore hatred.

 

[Hoophound]

Which is why I don't understand why the ACC doesn't make move to add UConn, it would increase the amount of money for the top teams in their revenue distribution pool.

Their hatred toward UConn must run deep.

They are dysfunctional. I’m sure FSU and Clemson will veto anything that doesn’t get them a major raise. They have no leverage to leave because of the GOR, but they have tons of leverage within the conference.

 

[king conn]

Which is why I don't understand why the ACC doesn't make move to add UConn, it would increase the amount of money for the top teams in their revenue redistribution pool.

Their hatred toward UConn must run deep, especially at a time when they could really use another top basketball program. The ACC seems to be willing to concede basketball status to the B12 rather than add UConn when it would benefit them financially to do so, that is some hardcore hatred.

Too many teams in the ACC want to leave the ACC. They want to dissolve the conference as a means to beat the GOR.

The last thing they want is a school that would be happy to be there presenting another roadblock to doing that

 

[Patman]

Which is why I don't understand why the ACC doesn't make move to add UConn, it would increase the amount of money for the top teams in their revenue redistribution pool.

Their hatred toward UConn must run deep, especially at a time when they could really use another top basketball program. The ACC seems to be willing to concede basketball status to the B12 rather than add UConn when it would benefit them financially to do so, that is some hardcore hatred.

because the ACC members at the top don't see things like that. They see it as one more mouth to feed.

 

[DoctorWho85]

Which is why I don't understand why the ACC doesn't make move to add UConn, it would increase the amount of money for the top teams in their revenue redistribution pool.

Their hatred toward UConn must run deep, especially at a time when they could really use another top basketball program. The ACC seems to be willing to concede basketball status to the B12 rather than add UConn when it would benefit them financially to do so, that is some hardcore hatred.

ACC is going to fall apart once FSU and Clemson get the call to leave. They are the big fish in a small pond and Duke and UNC have lost their pull on the conference. Once the GOR is done the ACC is going to basically turn into the old Bog East.

 

[metsfan2323]

ACC is going to fall apart once FSU and Clemson get the call to leave. They are the big fish in a small pond and Duke and UNC have lost their pull on the conference. Once the GOR is done the ACC is going to basically turn into the old Bog East.

The ACC's best and only defense to keep from falling apart is to add teams ASAP. Everyone thought the B12 was cooked last year until they made four quality additions and now they appear to be doing very well for themselves.

If the ACC were smart they would try to add UCONN and SMU tomorrow and Tulane and Memphis should be close behind. They won't do it because they are clueless with no plan for the future other than dissolve the league.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

The ACC is very limited in what they can do and (with the new revenue distribution plan) have basically done all they can do.

The GOR gas basically put ACC members in a prison where there is no feasible way for a member to buy itself out of until they are close enough to the end of the GOR (expires in 2036) that it would no longer be cost prohibitive to pay their way out.

Adding members, if that member would bring a full proportional increase in media revenue would only provide additional funds until the phase in period ended and that portion would be split by the membership of a large (15 member, 14 in football) conference.

 

[Bongo Fury]

It appears the schools in the ACC are locked in and they would not add more schools unless someone is willing to give every school more money which seems unlikely. The B12 on the other hand appears to have gotten a better deal and can add without diminishing payouts to current members.

 

[jostar1]

The ACC is very limited in what they can do and (with the new revenue distribution plan) have basically done all they can do.

The GOR gas basically put ACC members in a prison where there is no feasible way for a member to buy itself out of until they are close enough to the end of the GOR (expires in 2036) that it would no longer be cost prohibitive to pay their way out.

Adding members, if that member would bring a full proportional increase in media revenue would only provide additional funds until the phase in period ended and that portion would be split by the membership of a large (15 member, 14 in football) conference.

I believe they would get more money because new states would be added to the ACC Network.

 

[DoctorWho85]

The ACC's best and only defense to keep from falling apart is to add teams ASAP. Everyone thought the B12 was cooked last year until they made four quality additions and now they appear to be doing very well for themselves.

If the ACC were smart they would try to add UCONN and SMU tomorrow and Tulane and Memphis should be close behind. They won't do it because they are clueless with no plan for the future other than dissolve the league.

I personally would rather UConn go to the Big 12. I'd much rather see UConn play the likes of WV, ISU, Kansas, K State than BC, Syracuse, Pitt and Duke.

 

[DoctorWho85]

Man I made the mistake of reading the Bball board and boy are those fans delusional. Almost half of them think that staying in the BE would be the best move for the athletic department. YIKES.

 

[Punkbo]

The ACC's best and only defense to keep from falling apart is to add teams ASAP. Everyone thought the B12 was cooked last year until they made four quality additions and now they appear to be doing very well for themselves.

If the ACC were smart they would try to add UCONN and SMU tomorrow and Tulane and Memphis should be close behind. They won't do it because they are clueless with no plan for the future other than dissolve the league.

Your last statement is the key. There is more momentum to dissolve the conference than to add new teams. The GOR is way too long for Clemson, FSU and others to tolerate as they watch the pie increase for Big 10 and SEC schools. Adding new schools would only make it more difficult to dissolve the conference.