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Does this team miss.. Josh Carlton?

Glad he’s having a nice year he’s a great kid. And Sampson is a good coach for him does a nice job with all his bigs.
 
Ewekon said:
Wintering in Houston. Cougars are real and Josh seems content..I was down real low and had Huskies t on
Got a little nod and smi kk e from the big guy.
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Losing two of their best players, going to be tough to overcome
 
mauconnfan said:
Glad he’s having a nice year he’s a great kid. And Sampson is a good coach for him does a nice job with all his bigs.
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Absolutely
The exposure is what he needs if he is looking to play professionally somewhere especially higher tier.
We tend to group overseas together but there is a significant difference in leagues.
There are 8-9 top leagues where a star in that league can make 7 figures.However Averages are in the lower to mid 6. They usually have a foreigner limit.
They tend to be wealthier countries , Spain , Italy , Germany, UK, France ,
Israel, China, Turkey and possibly even Japan.. Where you play is huge.
RB , is in France and JA in Israel.
 
He’s having a real good season so far:

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Rico444 said:
So who would you bench to play Carlton?
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It’s not about benching players. It’s about circulating players into the game based on game flow, fouls, and certain looks. Houston is pretty guard heavy and Carlton is their number 2 F/C and playing extremely efficiently at 19mins with 11ppg. He wouldn’t get the same amount of minutes here but would still be used. He’s where he should be and getting utilized the way he should.
 
Austin316 said:
It’s not about benching players. It’s about circulating players into the game based on game flow, fouls, and certain looks. Houston is pretty guard heavy and Carlton is their number 2 F/C and playing extremely efficiently at 19mins with 11ppg. He wouldn’t get the same amount of minutes here but would still be used. He’s where he should be and getting utilized the way he should.
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The post I was responding to seemed to imply that Carlton would be playing over Sanogo and/or Whaley here. I wish Josh the best and am happy he's having success in Houston.
 
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yeah but ... you would think some of the smarty pants youth around here who spouted meanspirited Josh Carlton posts would show up and say: Kid is proving me wrong. HE always had a certain skillset. You can play him full minutes against certain teams and for a specific role. He just didn't fit the way Coach Hurley wanted to play most 40 minutes. 30 and 11 is proof that he is a darn good college ballplayer.
 
I'm really happy to see Josh playing well. He's a great kid and always had skills. Couldn't be happier to see him putting it all together and playing well for a very good team.

With that being said, he would've been behind Sanogo in our rotation. Before getting hurt, Sanogo was our best player. And playing Carlton and Sanogo together isn't really an option. Sanogo is the much better player, no matter how you look at it. Carlton wanted more guaranteed playing time than backing up Sanogo.

Could we have really used Carlton when Sanogo was down? Of course! But Josh wasn't going to sign-up to come back for a 5th year to simply be depth on our bench in the event of an injury to Sanogo.
 
Pudge said:
yeah but ... you would think some of the smarty pants youth around here who spouted meanspirited Josh Carlton posts would show up and say: Kid is proving me wrong. HE always had a certain skillset. You can play him full minutes against certain teams and for a specific role. He just didn't fit the way Coach Hurley wanted to play most 40 minutes. 30 and 11 is proof that he is a darn good college ballplayer.
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He wasn’t run out of town with pitchforks. He was always a solid player who generally feasted on lesser competition and struggled with better teams and more athletic bigs. That doesn’t seem to have changed. The reality for him was that he was just not going to get the minutes he wanted with Sanogo clearly ahead of him and Whaley also here demanding minutes. He found a better situation for himself to get minutes but the idea that he’s blossomed into some amazing player far beyond the likes of what he was here is maybe a bit overblown.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
He wasn’t run out of town with pitchforks. He was always a solid player who generally feasted on lesser competition and struggled with better teams and more athletic bigs. That doesn’t seem to have changed. The reality for him was that he was just not going to get the minutes he wanted with Sanogo clearly ahead of him and Whaley also here demanding minutes. He found a better situation for himself to get minutes but the idea that he’s blossomed into some amazing player far beyond the likes of what he was here is maybe a bit overblown.
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IMO, Carlton is PLENTY athletic for his size.
At his size - with Carlton's dimensions from shoulder to shoulder - how much "athleticism" do you really need?
Carlton has always had an unusual gift (for a man his size) to dance around his man with great footwork. He had it at Dematha and he has it at Houston.
Kelvin Sampson is heavily utilizing him in the screen game. Sampson rightly points out that - with Josh - all he has to do is be in the area and he is so big that the players have to make great effort to go around him no matter how close they are.
Carlton is such a big target he's almost always open. The guards at Houston are having a field day getting him the ball. He doesn't have to jump to go get it or make some dynamic move to open up a passing window.
Kelvin Sampson saw him play extensively at UConn, like everyone on this board, and he liked what he saw so much that he was calling Josh as his team was preparing for the Final Four.
That man knows talent.
 
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BapeKidd88 said:
IMO, Carlton is PLENTY athletic for his size.
At his size - with Carlton's dimensions from shoulder to shoulder - how much "athleticism" do you really need?
Carlton has always had an unusual gift (for a man his size) to dance around his man with great footwork. He had it at Dematha and he has it at Houston.
Kelvin Sampson is heavily utilizing him in the screen game. Sampson rightly points out that - with Josh - all he has to do is be in the area and he is so big that the players have to make great effort to go around him no matter how close they are.
Carlton is such a big target he's almost always open. The guards at Houston are having a field day getting him the ball. He doesn't have to jump to go get it or make some dynamic move to open up a passing window.
Kelvin Sampson saw him play extensively at UConn, like everyone on this board, and he liked what he saw so much that he was calling Josh as his team was preparing for the Final Four.
That man knows talent.
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I don't want it to come across as though I'm trashing the guy. I appreciate what he did here and he was a solid contributor and by all accounts, a great guy off the court. But his limiting factor is and always has been his athleticism. He would be the least athletic F/C on this team by a decent margin, but he's always managed to provide value because of his footwork and skills. That has always been the case.

If you thought Carlton was underutilized or utilized wrong by Hurley, I get the desire to jump at a couple of big games to say why he's blossomed since leaving, but I just don't buy him being that much better than he was here. His games with 10+ points have come against USF, Texas State, Louisiana, Alabama, Alcorn State, Bryant, and Oregon. Of those teams, only Alabama is ranked in the top 50 and everyone but Alabama and Oregon are below 150 with USF, Alcorn, and Bryant in the mid to high 200s. Even the Oregon game came in a 29-point blowout after Oregon had just gotten trounced by 32 against BYU. Again, I don't meant to piss in his cheerios, but he is basically who he was here just with a few more touches. He's found a team more in need of that skill set though and is taking advantage of it and that's great for him. I certainly couldn't find 20 mpg for him on the current roster though, could you? Feels like this worked out for all parties involved, but IMO using his current play as an indictment of Hurley or to rewrite history about his abilities at UConn is misguided and wrong.
 
Austin316 said:
It’s not about benching players. It’s about circulating players into the game based on game flow, fouls, and certain looks. Houston is pretty guard heavy and Carlton is their number 2 F/C and playing extremely efficiently at 19mins with 11ppg. He wouldn’t get the same amount of minutes here but would still be used. He’s where he should be and getting utilized the way he should.
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What Sampson will do, and Dan will not (so far) is adjust his scheme to fit his players. Carlton was like 65% from the field as a sophomore. Barely played as a Junior because he can’t do what Dan Hurley wants a 5 to do on defense. But he was our best post defender, rebounder, shot blocker and most efficient offensive player.

It is what it is, once Hurley recruited guys that fit his scheme, Josh became expendable. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t good. One on one in the paint he’d dominate Whaley on both ends. But no he can’t jump out and disrupt screens. Or shoot from outside.
 
BapeKidd88 said:
Some of Carlton's plays:

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Josh would help this team immensely with teams that have big centers. But you're really overselling the man right now. You gotta realize most kids don't get starting experience for 3 years, get to come back for another developmental season, and then play a 5th season on top of that. He's a really nice piece though, no doubt.
 
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Josh Carlton was born 15 years too late. He would be getting on mock draft boards right now if this was 2007. The game changed.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Josh Carlton was born 15 years too late. He would be getting on mock draft boards right now if this was 2007. The game changed.
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We’re really getting into silly season with some of this stuff. The NBA has not been kind for a loooong time to 6’9ish below the rim centers with decent but not great back to the basket games. Rewinding the clock 15 years would not make Carlton an NBA player.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
He wasn’t run out of town with pitchforks. He was always a solid player who generally feasted on lesser competition and struggled with better teams and more athletic bigs. That doesn’t seem to have changed. The reality for him was that he was just not going to get the minutes he wanted with Sanogo clearly ahead of him and Whaley also here demanding minutes. He found a better situation for himself to get minutes but the idea that he’s blossomed into some amazing player far beyond the likes of what he was here is maybe a bit overblown.
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That’s absolutely untrue.
Josh had some of his best games against better teams and worst games against weaker competition.
The reason being some of our better opponents had front lines that required him to man up another big not chase a little guy out on the perimeter something not many 6’11 250 lbs guys are capable of doing. He frequently got in early foul trouble and played limited minutes in some of his poorer games .
That became worse when he tried to high hedge.
Two years ago we had four good wins
Miami, Florida, Houston , and Cincinnati Josh had big games in three of those , ironically Houston was the worst of the four yet Sampson grabbed him in a heartbeat.
Last year where he played sparingly he came from the deep in the bench to have a great game against USC the best front court we saw last year and probably our best win.
He was a very good rebounder averaging around 9 a game in a little over twenty minutes.
Josh came here as a kid and is about the same age as Akok who is a junior. So he still is relatively young.
 
WhereistheDove? said:
We’re really getting into silly season with some of this stuff. The NBA has not been kind for a loooong time to 6’9ish below the rim centers with decent but not great back to the basket games. Rewinding the clock 15 years would not make Carlton an NBA player.
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Did Josh Carlton shrink in Houston?
 
I think the yard badly over estimated how good our bigs would be. Maybe Hurley did a bit too. And of course, nobody anticipated Adama being out this long. Johnson and Springs are pine brothers. Akok is a different type of player, not a banger. Same with Polley. Whaley would be a really good piece on a really top team but isn’t Adama.
 
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