Does the Big East's instability actually make Connecticut a better pick up?
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Hmmm. I looked up @kyleslamb on twitter, that seems to be a different Kyle S. Lamb (or he just doesn't tweet about CR stuff)
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A couple keep mentioning B1G insiders (one named Nevada) posting on their premium board who say there isn't a chance in hell UConn gets in (same for BC and Cuse). This has been repeated by insiders in many different places.
That being said, Louisville joining the ACC and Rutgers joining the B1G was similarly laughed at just recently, and denied by such insiders. Do I think that means anything? No. But, to quote the great Jim Calhoun, "Never Say Never." I think even Fishy wouldn't go that far.
That being said, Louisville joining the ACC and Rutgers joining the B1G was similarly laughed at just recently, and denied by such insiders. Do I think that means anything? No. But, to quote the great Jim Calhoun, "Never Say Never." I think even Fishy wouldn't go that far.
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Right. They historically have played one of the most difficult schedules in the country. They currently have one of the most difficult schedules in the country. They will continue to play one of the most difficult schedules in the country.
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Last couple decades one of the weakest. And this year they added two really good BCS schools to make it one of the most difficult. Stanford is not going to maintain this level. They'll revert soon to Stanford historically, and then once again, ND will have a half conference sched. + USC.
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You are becoming increasingly more douchey. I guess it was only a matter of time with you.
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Ah, so there is a master plan. Herbst is a genius.
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Re: Keep an eye on...UCONN
If we are taking only about football tradition, then yes there are other teams that fit better. If we are talking about which university might be the next addition based on a bigger, strategic picture, then UCONN is a reasonable choice. UCONN was also on B1G's radar two years ago.
- Academics - UCONN ranks higher than some B1G schools and continues to climb. Currently 63 in the US News & World Report rankings, recent reports suggest they will mover closer to being a top 50 national university in the coming years.
- Research - They are expanding investment in research at a fast rate and are building a $1.1B lab at a university facility. An AAU offer will be forthcoming in the next 1-3 years with or without a B1G invite.
- Rivalries - UCONN has natural regional rivalries with Maryland, Rutgers and ties to Penn State. They also have Michigan, Maryland and Virginia on their upcoming football schedules. In mens and women basketball they have history with many schools in the B1G.
- Revenue - Their athletics programs generated over $65M in revenue, which I believe ranks in the top 40 in the country. While not up there with Michigan and Ohio State, they rank higher than some B1G teams. Also, it's important to note that only 20% of that revenue comes from football (only Kansas generates a smaller percentage at 19%). This is more of an opportunity than a liability. Also, their Media rights deal accounts for only $3M-$4M annually, if they had a $17M deal on the books like the ACC, they would probably be in the top 25 in revenue. A B1G offer would grow that revenue substantially in the coming years.
- TV Market - Hartford is the 30th ranked market in the nation and UCONN gets a large chunk of the New York and Boston markets, which puts them on par with many larger markets. The New York Times lists UCONN is the fourth most popular college football team in New York City behind Rutgers, Notre Dame and Penn State. Their recent ratings on SNY cable are off the chart. Having no pro teams in Connecticut contributes to this. Also, there is a significant number of B!G Alumni in the New York/Boston area that would watch their teams compete on TV or at a live event. Lastly, UCONN is gaining traction with Fox's YES network (which has been tied to the B1G's Eastern expansion).
- Culturally - UCONN culture is closer to Wisconsin, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State than GT/FSU/Clemson.
- Football - UCONN doesn't have the tradition that B1G schools have, but in the last ten years they've gone to a 5 bowl games including the Fiesta, won a share of their conference twice, beat Notre Dame, South Carolina and others. A B1G invite would help in recruiting, both in terms of players and coaching. In addition, they are as competitive as some B1G teams including Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue (recently), Illinois, and Northwestern (generally). An Eastern division with Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Maryland UCONN, and Virginia would be competitive.
- Notre Dame - There's lots of reasons why UCONN was discussed as a package to the ACC with Notre Dame. Delaney realizes this. Notre Dame wants an East Coast presence, playing at UCONN, Rutgers, Maryland & Virginia would help provide that. Playing at Florida State or Georgia Tech, not so much.
- Basketball - UCONN is a national brand in basketball, both Mens and Women, and would elevate B1G basketball. They also have many rivalries with the B1G including Michigan State.
- Olympic Sports - UCONN competes at a high level in numerous sports including soccer (NC), field hockey (NC), baseball, hockey, etc.
- UCONN is a Land-Grant University
- It takes UCONN off the table as an academic/athletic/tv market contingency for the ACC
Lastly, I know the focus is on football, but if the B1G has the strongest financial footprint, it will continue to be relevant in football, even in smaller markets.
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Thanks for that post, great read I read another 10 pages after that.
What I learned from the thread after that: There are actually a couple pro UConn to B1G supporters and other than that the general concensus is that if the B1G was to go past 16 it could do much worse than UConn. After reading that post I'm generally much more optimistic than I have been recently after hearing the recent catholic schools dissolution rumors.
Edit: Oops some one posted it before I refreshed the page :\
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How the hell was this not trumpeted from the mountain tops the past month?
All we got was WM 'I think we're better but I'm biased'.
Come on, UConn.
All we got was WM 'I think we're better but I'm biased'.
Come on, UConn.
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Re: Keep an eye on...UCONN
If we are taking only about football tradition, then yes there are other teams that fit better. If we are talking about which university might be the next addition based on a bigger, strategic picture, then UCONN is a reasonable choice. UCONN was also on B1G's radar two years ago.
- Academics - UCONN ranks higher than some B1G schools and continues to climb. Currently 63 in the US News & World Report rankings, recent reports suggest they will mover closer to being a top 50 national university in the coming years.
- Research - They are expanding investment in research at a fast rate and are building a $1.1B lab at a university facility. An AAU offer will be forthcoming in the next 1-3 years with or without a B1G invite.
- Rivalries - UCONN has natural regional rivalries with Maryland, Rutgers and ties to Penn State. They also have Michigan, Maryland and Virginia on their upcoming football schedules. In mens and women basketball they have history with many schools in the B1G.
- Revenue - Their athletics programs generated over $65M in revenue, which I believe ranks in the top 40 in the country. While not up there with Michigan and Ohio State, they rank higher than some B1G teams. Also, it's important to note that only 20% of that revenue comes from football (only Kansas generates a smaller percentage at 19%). This is more of an opportunity than a liability. Also, their Media rights deal accounts for only $3M-$4M annually, if they had a $17M deal on the books like the ACC, they would probably be in the top 25 in revenue. A B1G offer would grow that revenue substantially in the coming years.
- TV Market - Hartford is the 30th ranked market in the nation and UCONN gets a large chunk of the New York and Boston markets, which puts them on par with many larger markets. The New York Times lists UCONN is the fourth most popular college football team in New York City behind Rutgers, Notre Dame and Penn State. Their recent ratings on SNY cable are off the chart. Having no pro teams in Connecticut contributes to this. Also, there is a significant number of B!G Alumni in the New York/Boston area that would watch their teams compete on TV or at a live event. Lastly, UCONN is gaining traction with Fox's YES network (which has been tied to the B1G's Eastern expansion).
- Culturally - UCONN culture is closer to Wisconsin, Michigan, Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State than GT/FSU/Clemson.
- Football - UCONN doesn't have the tradition that B1G schools have, but in the last ten years they've gone to a 5 bowl games including the Fiesta, won a share of their conference twice, beat Notre Dame, South Carolina and others. A B1G invite would help in recruiting, both in terms of players and coaching. In addition, they are as competitive as some B1G teams including Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue (recently), Illinois, and Northwestern (generally). An Eastern division with Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame, Rutgers, Maryland UCONN, and Virginia would be competitive.
- Notre Dame - There's lots of reasons why UCONN was discussed as a package to the ACC with Notre Dame. Delaney realizes this. Notre Dame wants an East Coast presence, playing at UCONN, Rutgers, Maryland & Virginia would help provide that. Playing at Florida State or Georgia Tech, not so much.
- Basketball - UCONN is a national brand in basketball, both Mens and Women, and would elevate B1G basketball. They also have many rivalries with the B1G including Michigan State.
- Olympic Sports - UCONN competes at a high level in numerous sports including soccer (NC), field hockey (NC), baseball, hockey, etc.
- UCONN is a Land-Grant University
- It takes UCONN off the table as an academic/athletic/tv market contingency for the ACC
Lastly, I know the focus is on football, but if the B1G has the strongest financial footprint, it will continue to be relevant in football, even in smaller markets.
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Obviously if logic were the driving force than UConn gets the invite. Delaney is logical. He'll see this and critique it. Doesn't mean an invite. But he will do his due diligence. Tobacco road - same deal. The rest of the ACC probably will be petty, stick with emotional issues and wonder why they we'll be chum in the future.
That's me. I just don't tweet about it too much. Every once in a while, if I have something to add or something that I've heard, I'll put it out there. I just don't want to be associated with the run of the mill attention-grabbing twits
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By the way, for those that have asked me...I used to write for Scout.com for a few years and was a beat writer for Ohio State for 4 years prior, and in that time have made some very good contacts in athletics and media. If he's around, I think zls will vouch for my credentials as well
My stance is absolutely, positively UConn is on the radar. Don't know if they'll get an invite, as it might well depend on the timing of when some of the ACC dominoes begin to fall. But the Big Ten craves the Northeast corridor and they're willing to go past Rutgers if the cards fall correctly.
My stance is absolutely, positively UConn is on the radar. Don't know if they'll get an invite, as it might well depend on the timing of when some of the ACC dominoes begin to fall. But the Big Ten craves the Northeast corridor and they're willing to go past Rutgers if the cards fall correctly.
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By the way, for those that have asked me...I used to write for Scout.com for a few years and was a beat writer for Ohio State for 4 years prior, and in that time have made some very good contacts in athletics and media. If he's around, I think zls will vouch for my credentials as well
My stance is absolutely, positively UConn is on the radar. Don't know if they'll get an invite, as it might well depend on the timing of when some of the ACC dominoes begin to fall. But the Big Ten craves the Northeast corridor and they're willing to go past Rutgers if the cards fall correctly.
Thanks for stopping by to The Boneyard and sharing some insight. As you can imagine, Husky fans are starved for any realignment info!
Going B1G is where we want to be make no mistake about it.
There's some definite value in UConn for the Big Ten, but one just has to look closely. That's probably why a lot of Big Ten fans aren't picking up on it. Too many of them are looking at what has happened or what is, rather than what can be or will be. And that's why the Big Ten is making moves not everyone will agree with, because they're looking forward to what they think will be.
The Big Ten is looking to develop a league rather than take the most ready-made teams they can get out of the box. I suspect this is why people are so dismissive of UConn because it's a young football program and hasn't really had any sort of real success yet, at least on the gridiron. But while Connecticut's research credentials aren't where the Big Ten would demand, it seems they're also committed to vastly expanding them. And again, that's the kind of thinking the Big Ten is looking at IMHO. The two may be inter-related or they may be a happy coincidence. Either way, we'll see what happens.
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ahh didn't get caught up in this thread. good stuff in here.
b10 is adding uv and uconn. down the road when the b12 and fox go for the fill, the b10 network will help and goto 18 or 20. once were in, i am going to murder other fanbases with postings. #B1GSLAY
b10 is adding uv and uconn. down the road when the b12 and fox go for the fill, the b10 network will help and goto 18 or 20. once were in, i am going to murder other fanbases with postings. #B1GSLAY
You are a B1G fan about 5-10 years ahead of his time.
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