Discouraging, But you Never Can Tell...

[buckaineer]

Referencing a misguided post above, if any conferences fans have hubris it is the Big Ten's fans. If not for Ohio State the conference would have been split up years ago, yet B10 posters spout on an on all over the internet about schools like Texas or UNC having some undue control over the BIG 12 and ACC.

The truth is each and every conference --especially the Big Ten, have schools at the top, middle and bottom in terms of national power. No league is controlled or carried more than tOSU does the Big Ten.

As far as stability, it is also amusing to constantly see B10 types proclaim doom for others. It is clear that recently, Big Ten schools talked with the ACC about leaving the conference. Barry Alvarez stated himself that a major factor in adding Maryland and Rutgers was to stave off the threat of PSU leaving the conference. But the propoganda machine continues the idea that "the BIG 12 is vulnerable" while the B10 is "stable" etc.

Recently the B10 conference media has had to post "feel good" stories to keep Nebraska fans happy as they begin to realize the financial mistake of moving to the Big Ten. Reading message boards of the western Big Ten schools recently one can conclude all is not great in paradise as schools like Wisconsin find themselves trapped in an upper midwestern conference with little access to the east, while OSU, Mich, PSU and MSU all get to play one another yearly and also visit new recruiting and exposure grounds every year. No doubt Bielema saw the writing on the wall and chose to leave the conference he had previously won and defended so often.

In the east, Penn State fans and alumni certainly don't seem all that content with how they have been treated in that league. Even Ohio State's president was recently let go after voicing such discontent as OSU being happy as long as the conference kept it's hands out of tOSU's pockets. The conference's strength of schedule continues to decline as compared to leagues like the SEC, BIG 12 and Pac 12.

That said, the league does have money though, and will get more. They won't have more than BIG 12 or SEC schools although that has been the popular story, but they will have much more than ACC schools. $100 million more by just 2020. As we have all seen money has been what realignment is all about as schools try to position themselves for the playoffs.

 

[buckaineer]

To show how ND is already falling back on it's old Big East ways despite protests otherwise--the game against BC at Fenway was accomplished for Notre Dame by ND reneging on its guarantee of five games next season. They've already altered the scheduling. Wake Forest had to move its scheduled game to 2015 to accomodate ND.

It will be amusing to watch over the coming years as more ACC teams "agree" to play neutral site games with the domers despite the proclamations that this isn't happening.

 

[TerryD]

To show how ND is already falling back on it's old Big East ways despite protests otherwise--the game against BC at Fenway was accomplished for Notre Dame by ND reneging on its guarantee of five games next season. They've already altered the scheduling. Wake Forest had to move its scheduled game to 2015 to accomodate ND.

It will be amusing to watch over the coming years as more ACC teams agree to play neutral site games with the domers despite the proclamations that this isn't happening.

Were you aware, Buck, that ND will play SIX ( not four, not five) ACC teams in 2015 to make up the difference? That equals an average of five per year, which is the deal.

ND had trouble getting out of some pre-existing contracts for 2014.

You are making a mountain out of a speck of sand, not even a mole hill.

 

[buckaineer]

Were you aware, Buck, that ND will play SIX ( not four, not five) ACC teams in 2015 to make up the difference? That equals an average of five per year, which is the deal.

ND had trouble getting out of some pre-existing contracts, one of them being the Arizona State game in Tempe that had no buyout clause negotiated by ND's former (now Duke's AD) AD, Kevin White.

You are making a mountain out of a speck of sand, not even a mole hill.

Just as it began in the Big East--all to protests of "what you see happening isn't happening".

 

[TerryD]

Just as it began in the Big East--all to protests of "what you see happening isn't happening".

Show me the five football game per year written contractual agreement that ND signed with the old Big East Conference.

There was none. There is with the ACC.

 

[buckaineer]

BTW Frank, I haven't posted on the CSNBBS for years--if someone is posting over there as buckaineer it isn't me.

 

[TerryD]

BTW Frank, I haven't posted on the CSNBBS for years--if someone is posting over there as buckaineer it isn't me.

No, that was my reference, not Frank's. I was just saying hello to you and reminiscing about the old CSNbbs days, not current posts.

 

[buckaineer]

Show me the five football game per year written contractual agreement that ND signed with the old Big East Conference.

There was none. There is with the ACC.

Notre Dame agreed to play every Big East school home and home. Then they only scheduled a few teams. Then when the league amped up pressure to schedule, ND said they would play schools like UConn and Rutgers but the games had to be two for one with ND getting home games and the Big East schools playing on neutral sites. Schools like UC, WVU, ND would not schedule at all despite the original agreement.

This is the same pattern beginning to emerge in the ACC. First its SU and BC playing games at neutral sites to accomodate the domers. Then its "well yeah, we agreed to play five, but this year we won't". There won't be many people surprised if more games are switched in the future just as Wake did for next, or to see more neutral site games as ND desires.

All water under the bridge now though, the ACC let them take bowls and revenues for their partial non football membership. They'll have to live with whatever comes from it.

 

[06029]

To show how ND is already falling back on it's old Big East ways despite protests otherwise--the game against BC at Fenway was accomplished for Notre Dame by ND reneging on its guarantee of five games next season. They've already altered the scheduling. Wake Forest had to move its scheduled game to 2015 to accomodate ND.

It will be amusing to watch over the coming years as more ACC teams "agree" to play neutral site games with the domers despite the proclamations that this isn't happening.

I am no Domer but do like to dwell in the realm of reality. But your insistence on hypothetical futures that are not happening over the next 3 years is weird.
Maybe this will help you:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...0/notre-dame-football-schedule-2014-2015-2016
4 ACC games in 2014 (you got that right), 6 in 2015, 5 in 2016. That is 15 games in 3 years or an average of 5 per year. Note that these have the off campus locations listed. Beyond Cuse, none are off campus. ND got 8 home games including the home game at Fenway.

ND thinks themselves special and they get special deals to reinforce that belief. But they never gave the BE any FB games like this. ND will NEVER be a full member of the ACC. If they are forced into a conference, they will be in the B1G. It is their natural home and if that time ever comes, the B1G will dwarf everyone in terms of revenue from TV.

 

[buckaineer]

No, that was my reference, not Frank's. I was just saying hello to you and reminiscing about the old CSNbbs days, not current posts.

Gotcha

 

[buckaineer]

I am no Domer but do like to dwell in the realm of reality. But your insistence on hypothetical futures that are not happening over the next 3 years is weird.
Maybe this will help you:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...0/notre-dame-football-schedule-2014-2015-2016
4 ACC games in 2014 (you got that right), 6 in 2015, 5 in 2016. That is 15 games in 3 years or an average of 5 per year. Note that these have the off campus locations listed. Beyond Cuse, none are off campus. ND got 8 home games including the home game at Fenway.

ND thinks themselves special and they get special deals to reinforce that belief. But they never gave the BE any FB games like this. ND will NEVER be a full member of the ACC. If they are forced into a conference, they will be in the B1G. It is their natural home and if that time ever comes, the B1G will dwarf everyone in terms of revenue from TV.

Notre Dame did in fact agree to play every Big East school on a rotating basis and then never came through with the agreement, only scheduling Pitt and SU for a few games, offering UConn and RU one neutral site and two ND home games-which both eventually declined, and giving USF the option of a ND home game only. WVU was never scheduled as promised and neither were UC or UL.

 

[TerryD]

Notre Dame agreed to play every Big East school home and home. Then they only scheduled a few teams. Then when the league amped up pressure to schedule, ND said they would play schools like UConn and Rutgers but the games had to be two for one with ND getting home games and the Big East schools playing on neutral sites. Schools like UC, WVU, ND would not schedule at all despite the original agreement.

This is the same pattern beginning to emerge in the ACC. First its SU and BC playing games at neutral sites to accomodate the domers. Then its "well yeah, we agreed to play five, but this year we won't". There won't be many people surprised if more games are switched in the future just as Wake did for next, or to see more neutral site games as ND desires.

All water under the bridge now though, the ACC let them take bowls and revenues for their partial non football membership. They'll have to live with whatever comes from it.

No written agreement, Buck. Kevin White verbally told the BE commissioner after the 2003 raid that ND would "play 3 BE schools per year".

ND never said it would play ALL BE football schools nor did it say WHERE the games were to be played.

ND tried to schedule UConn and Rutgers but those schools stuck to their guns on a home/home series, which ND declined.

The ACC has a written contract that mandates that ND play five ACC games, ND provides the open dates and the ACC schedules the schools/venues.

Big difference.

 

[TerryD]

I am no Domer but do like to dwell in the realm of reality. But your insistence on hypothetical futures that are not happening over the next 3 years is weird.
Maybe this will help you:
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...0/notre-dame-football-schedule-2014-2015-2016
4 ACC games in 2014 (you got that right), 6 in 2015, 5 in 2016. That is 15 games in 3 years or an average of 5 per year. Note that these have the off campus locations listed. Beyond Cuse, none are off campus. ND got 8 home games including the home game at Fenway.

ND thinks themselves special and they get special deals to reinforce that belief. But they never gave the BE any FB games like this. ND will NEVER be a full member of the ACC. If they are forced into a conference, they will be in the B1G. It is their natural home and if that time ever comes, the B1G will dwarf everyone in terms of revenue from TV.

Obviously, I and many, many other ND fans disagree with you on the "natural home" being the Big Ten.

I am going to stop posting on these threads since they were sort of hijacked, but someone did post something about ND in them.

ND comments are relevant here only if UConn's hopes of a P5 conference invitation depend on ND joining either the Big Ten or ACC fully as #15 with UConn being #16.

In my opinion, that will likely never happen. I personally would like to see UConn and Cincinnati invited to the ACC, with ND remaining as is. I don't know if that will happen, though.

 

[06029]

Notre Dame agreed to play every Big East school home and home. Then they only scheduled a few teams. Then when the league amped up pressure to schedule, ND said they would play schools like UConn and Rutgers but the games had to be two for one with ND getting home games and the Big East schools playing on neutral sites. Schools like UC, WVU, ND would not schedule at all despite the original agreement.

This is the same pattern beginning to emerge in the ACC. First its SU and BC playing games at neutral sites to accomodate the domers. Then its "well yeah, we agreed to play five, but this year we won't". There won't be many people surprised if more games are switched in the future just as Wake did for next, or to see more neutral site games as ND desires.

All water under the bridge now though, the ACC let them take bowls and revenues for their partial non football membership. They'll have to live with whatever comes from it.

You can not shape historical facts to make your version of history match your beliefs. ND never agreed to home and homes with the entire BE. NEVER. At one point they were negotiating for the 2 home, 1 neutral game with I believe 3 teams per year but that was never agreed upon. BC, Pitt, UWV and Cuse were all against it. RU was for it since they could still play in NJ. And ND was worried about losing too many games with their "traditonal" rivals (which they of course gave up with the ACC deal - MI). So the deal dies. That is when the 10 game Uconn series got negotiated with no home games for Uconn at the Rent. The only thing ND did for the BE in FB was bring some bowl affiliations to the conference. And they were first choice for those bowls in most years.

 

[06029]

Obviously, I and many, many other ND fans disagree with you on the "natural home" being the Big Ten.

I am going to stop posting on these threads since they were sort of hijacked, but someone did post something about ND in them.

ND comments are relevant here only if UConn's hopes of a P5 conference invitation depend on ND joining either the Big Ten or ACC fully as #15 with UConn being #16.

In my opinion, that will likely never happen. I personally would like to see UConn and Cincinnati invited to the ACC, with ND remaining as is. I don't know if that will happen, though.

ND does what is 100% best for themselves and it is always tied to revenue. If they are forced into a conference, they will need a conference that: 1) gives them the most revenue; and, 2) makes the most competitive sense. The B1G and SEC will fit the first but the long history ND has with many of the B1G schools is why I see it as their natural home. The ACC will never generate the revenue with ND that the B1G would generate with ND. I also think Delaney can sell a better TV package than Swofford. Plus, after becoming an after thought in Hockey East, ND will look at the B1G Hockey as place where they can win. And in the end, it is all about the money for ND and every other school.

 

[Sea Goat]

Obviously, I and many, many other ND fans disagree with you on the "natural home" being the Big Ten.

 

[BC1978]

This is the same pattern beginning to emerge in the ACC. First its SU and BC playing games at neutral sites to accomodate the domers. Then its "well yeah, we agreed to play five, but this year we won't". There won't be many people surprised if more games are switched in the future just as Wake did for next, or to see more neutral site games as ND desires.

This is just an intellectually dishonest statement.

As has been mentioned many times in this thread, BC is not playing a neutral site game to accomodate ND in 2015. That was originally scheduled as an ND Home Game!! ND approached BC and asked that it be part of the Shamrock series and played in Boston. That's a win for BC. The game was supposed to be in South Bend (as the prior game was played in Chestnut Hill). The next game BC/ND game played after 2015 will be in Chestnut Hill.

SU played ND at the Meadowlands NOT at ND's insistence, but rather, as has been widely reported, because SU wanted the game there as part of its NYC branding strategy.

ND IS playing 5 ACC games a year. One year they only play 4 due to prior scheduling commitments but the following year they offset that by playing 6 ACC games and 5 every year after that. That was part of the Agreement.

You are factually wrong on each of your points.

 

[billybud]

To show how ND is already falling back on it's old Big East ways despite protests otherwise--the game against BC at Fenway was accomplished for Notre Dame by ND reneging on its guarantee of five games next season. They've already altered the scheduling. Wake Forest had to move its scheduled game to 2015 to accomodate ND.

It will be amusing to watch over the coming years as more ACC teams "agree" to play neutral site games with the domers despite the proclamations that this isn't happening.

Notre Dame, with the help of the ACC, plays six games the next season...

Six games...plus four..equals ten for two years...it was an adjustment.

 

[buckaineer]

You can not shape historical facts to make your version of history match your beliefs. ND never agreed to home and homes with the entire BE. NEVER. At one point they were negotiating for the 2 home, 1 neutral game with I believe 3 teams per year but that was never agreed upon. BC, Pitt, UWV and Cuse were all against it. RU was for it since they could still play in NJ. And ND was worried about losing too many games with their "traditonal" rivals (which they of course gave up with the ACC deal - MI). So the deal dies. That is when the 10 game Uconn series got negotiated with no home games for Uconn at the Rent. The only thing ND did for the BE in FB was bring some bowl affiliations to the conference. And they were first choice for those bowls in most years.

Notre Dame agreed to play all BE teams on a rotating basis-home and home-three per year. They never honored that agreement. They later changed it to only playing BE schools if they would agree to a neutral site game and two at Notre Dame. RU and UConn who just upgraded stadiums and spent millions in state to do so declined the offer. I believe UConn played one ND game @ ND--which they won. USF also played one at ND with no return--which they also won. RU refused. WVU was never offered any games and neither was UL or UC to my knowledge. It is not shaping historical facts to present the facts of the matter. ND played Pitt home-home and also SU was scheduled for one home-home series.

The Big East lost multiple bowls while ND was sharing agreements including the Gator which they had prior to the deal with ND. They also lost the Sun Bowl, the Music City and a bowl in Phoenix and California. ND was not influential in getting any new bowls for the league, in fact the Champs state ND inclusion was not a necessity, but the commissioner signed them on anyway. ND took several bowls from deserving BE member WVU and they will take bowls away from deserving ACC members starting next season.

 

[billybud]

Bucky is a BGN poster (WVU boards)...he has a virulent dislike of the ACC and a zealously positive view of the Big 12.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. We all have our own viewpoint.

But, like many fans of former Big East teams. he is not a fan of Notre Dame because of the way that the Big East's experience with the Irish turned out.

And, I can't say that I blame them..

 

[buckaineer]

Bucky is a BGN poster (WVU boards)...he has a virulent dislike of the ACC and a zealously positive view of the Big 12.

Not that there is anything wrong with that. We all have our own viewpoint.

But, like many fans of former Big East teams. he is not a fan of Notre Dame because of the way that the Big East's experience with the Irish turned out.

And, I can't say that I blame them..

Thanks billybud--you are an ACC poster -possibly on the payroll-with a virulent dislike of the BIG 12 and a zealously positive view of the ACC.

Since you felt I needed qualification rather than letting people decide for themselves what they think of me and my posts, I thought a return of the favor was in order.


As for Notre Dame I am posting the facts of the matter--you've injected your own interpretations of that which I don't claim.

 

[WestHartHusk]

No written agreement, Buck. Kevin White verbally told the BE commissioner after the 2003 raid that ND would "play 3 BE schools per year".

ND never said it would play ALL BE football schools nor did it say WHERE the games were to be played.

ND tried to schedule UConn and Rutgers but those schools stuck to their guns on a home/home series, which ND declined.

The ACC has a written contract that mandates that ND play five ACC games, ND provides the open dates and the ACC schedules the schools/venues.

Big difference.

This was my point earlier in the thread - complete and total institutional hypocracy. I can guarantee that when ND made that "promise" they relied on their religious mandate to convince others (other Catholic schools no less) to accept it. Then they defend the hypocracy by saying "it wasn't in writing." Bull$hit. And just to cap it all off, when the league they destroyed splintered, they abandoned the Catholic schools because they couldn't offer them as much as the ACC could.

And don't even get me started about the "offer" ND made to UConn. Play 5 games at ND, and 5 games (split gate) in NY/Boston, with 0 in CT.

 

[06029]

Notre Dame agreed to play all BE teams on a rotating basis-home and home-three per year. They never honored that agreement. They later changed it to only playing BE schools if they would agree to a neutral site game and two at Notre Dame. RU and UConn who just upgraded stadiums and spent millions in state to do so declined the offer. I believe UConn played one ND game @ ND--which they won. USF also played one at ND with no return--which they also won. RU refused. WVU was never offered any games and neither was UL or UC to my knowledge. It is not shaping historical facts to present the facts of the matter. ND played Pitt home-home and also SU was scheduled for one home-home series.

The Big East lost multiple bowls while ND was sharing agreements including the Gator which they had prior to the deal with ND. They also lost the Sun Bowl, the Music City and a bowl in Phoenix and California. ND was not influential in getting any new bowls for the league, in fact the Champs state ND inclusion was not a necessity, but the commissioner signed them on anyway. ND took several bowls from deserving BE member WVU and they will take bowls away from deserving ACC members starting next season.

There was never a formal executed agreement. It was under discussion but never put in writing and was never a binding commitment on ND. When it came to formalizing, ND wanted the 2 for 1. As posted above, it was a crappy thing to do by ND to never follow thru but it was equally as bad on the BE for not forcing it. At least the ACC has a binding agreement in writing with no 2 for 1.

I agree with you that ND took bowls away from a lot of deserving BE teams. It will happen in the ACC too. But the ND tie in was important to the Gator, Champs, and Liberty. I think they also brought a Cotton Bowl tie in that was to take effect in 2013. The Sun left after they had taken ND. Same I think with Music City.

ND was a leech on the BE and is a tic on the ACC. Both are blood sucking parasites that if you do not remove can cause big problems. The tic just goes slower.

 

[billybud]

Bucky...I have long ago proclaimed who I am and where my interests lie...

But I am not an ACC guy...don't particularly care for the ACC...just a place for FSU to play....

Heck, last season, half of FSU's conference schedule consisted of old Big East teams.

Like a lot of FSU guys, I think that we really don't fit well in the ACC.

We aren't in the top 50 (US News and WR), we aren't basketball oriented, we don't play men's soccer nor lacrosse...

We are barbeque eating, bourbon drinking SEC type heathens trapped with the Biffs and their oxford cloth shirts and chinos....who make small talk about the coming basketball season as the game goes on...they merrily sip their Chardonnay and occasionally take a desultory look at the scoreboard.

 

[btstimpy]

ND does what is 100% best for themselves and it is always tied to revenue. If they are forced into a conference, they will need a conference that: 1) gives them the most revenue; and, 2) makes the most competitive sense. The B1G and SEC will fit the first but the long history ND has with many of the B1G schools is why I see it as their natural home. The ACC will never generate the revenue with ND that the B1G would generate with ND. I also think Delaney can sell a better TV package than Swofford. Plus, after becoming an after thought in Hockey East, ND will look at the B1G Hockey as place where they can win. And in the end, it is all about the money for ND and every other school.

This here is a probably a dream that Jim Delaney has, but that about all it is. What Notre Dame wants for football is to physically play football games in as many major markets nationally as possible on a regular basis. When I say markets, I'm talking Boston, New York, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Washington, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago. Accomplishing this is easiest as an independent, but with the membership in the ACC they pickup Boston, New York, Washington, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Miami. They cover Chicago themselves and Los Angeles and San Francisco with USC/Stanford. Notre Dame will never accomplish this with the Big Ten, natural or not. Therefore, it remains only a dream that Jim Delany has. That won't change. While Minneapolis, Iowa City, Lincoln, Springfield, Bloomington, West Lafayette, Madison, and Lansing are nice, they don't cut it for what Notre Dame wants.

 

[upstater]

This here is a probably a dream that Jim Delaney has, but that about all it is. What Notre Dame wants for football is to physically play football games in as many major markets nationally as possible on a regular basis. When I say markets, I'm talking Boston, New York, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Washington, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago. Accomplishing this is easiest as an independent, but with the membership in the ACC they pickup Boston, New York, Washington, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Miami. They cover Chicago themselves and Los Angeles and San Francisco with USC/Stanford. Notre Dame will never accomplish this with the Big Ten, natural or not. Therefore, it remains only a dream that Jim Delany has. That won't change. While Minneapolis, Iowa City, Lincoln, Springfield, Bloomington, West Lafayette, Madison, and Lansing are nice, they don't cut it for what Notre Dame wants.

They negotiated seriously to join the B1G a decade ago--the president's idea. Quashed by alums and the board.

They have only talked about joining one conference for football: the B1G.

With the ACC they pick up Boston, New York, Pittsburgh? You can't be serious. ND has always been in these areas. Always. Nothing the ACC has in these areas means anything to ND. You also totally skipped cities like Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington DC is in the B1Gs territory as well.

 

[buckaineer]

This here is a probably a dream that Jim Delaney has, but that about all it is. What Notre Dame wants for football is to physically play football games in as many major markets nationally as possible on a regular basis. When I say markets, I'm talking Boston, New York, Atlanta, Miami, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Charlotte, Washington, Dallas, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Chicago. Accomplishing this is easiest as an independent, but with the membership in the ACC they pickup Boston, New York, Washington, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Charlotte, and Miami. They cover Chicago themselves and Los Angeles and San Francisco with USC/Stanford. Notre Dame will never accomplish this with the Big Ten, natural or not. Therefore, it remains only a dream that Jim Delany has. That won't change. While Minneapolis, Iowa City, Lincoln, Springfield, Bloomington, West Lafayette, Madison, and Lansing are nice, they don't cut it for what Notre Dame wants.

The Big Ten isn't trying to obtain Notre Dame. They are trying to get new markets for exposure and recruiting in growing areas where they don't currently have any teams. They want to add AAU schools, large land grant institutions in contiguous areas. Gordon Gee-former Ohio State president talked of creating a sort of a geographic T via adding in the east.

 

[btstimpy]

They negotiated seriously to join the B1G a decade ago--the president's idea. Quashed by alums and the board.

They have only talked about joining one conference for football: the B1G.

With the ACC they pick up Boston, New York, Pittsburgh? You can't be serious. ND has always been in these areas. Always. Nothing the ACC has in these areas means anything to ND. You also totally skipped cities like Detroit, Columbus, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and Washington DC is in the B1Gs territory as well.

You haven't been listening to Jack Swarbrick obviously. In every discussion he as about this subject, he specifically mentions the ACC presenting opportunity for playing in Boston, New York, and Pittsburgh. And he's doing it too (at Fenway with Boston College, at Met Life with Syracuse, at Heinz Field with Pitt). And in the ACC he also talks about at Grant Field with Georgia Tech, at Dolphins stadium with Miami. He doesn't talk about the cities I skipped. He seemed more than giddy to drop Detroit, and if they want Ohio, he'll be pushing the ACC to add Cincinnati. I haven't seen it yet. And I don't hear anything about the B1G from anyone associated with Notre Dame football from the school to the fans. They may have looked at it in the past, but not now.

 

[btstimpy]

The Big Ten isn't trying to obtain Notre Dame. They are trying to get new markets for exposure and recruiting in growing areas where they don't currently have any teams. They want to add AAU schools, large land grant institutions in contiguous areas. Gordon Gee-former Ohio State president talked of creating a sort of a geographic T via adding in the east.

Gordon Gee's T has been turned into an I real quick. And then Ohio State got rid of Gordon Gee, or he left anyway. He's back at West Virginia.

 

[Fishy]

Notre Dame can play in New York, Boston and and Pittsburgh without the ACC. They play in Texas and near as I can tell they didn't have to join the Big 12 to do it.

Notre Dame is simply not interested in joining a conference and the Big Ten was never going to offer them the 'have your cake and eat it, too' deal the ACC did.