Discouraging, But you Never Can Tell...

[buckaineer]

buckaineer, you can't be older than 22, you sound like 18 or 19. If Billybud is a kook, at least he's a civil, cultured kook. Why not try to cultivate that yourself? It feels like you're spitting through the Internet.

Well that just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about.

Not sure how exactly I have been anything other than civil. After all its billy who is acting like a kid name calling because he didn't like the facts I posted. How again does that make him "civil" and me not?

 

[NickyNewark]

Well that just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about.

Not sure how exactly I have been anything other than civil. After all its billy who is acting like a kid name calling because he didn't like the facts I posted. How again does that make him "civil" and me not?

FWIW I've found you to be civil at least IMO. WVU has some segment of NY/NJ esp NJ following.

 

[buckaineer]

FWIW I've found you to be civil at least IMO. WVU has some segment of NY/NJ esp NJ following.

Not sure about anything I've written that someone else would find "uncivil". Perhaps they just don't like the information I've posted about.

 

[BC1978]

Well that just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about.

Not sure how exactly I have been anything other than civil. After all its billy who is acting like a kid name calling because he didn't like the facts I posted. How again does that make him "civil" and me not?

"Facts"? What "facts" have you posted?? IMO, this highlights the basic issue that some people have with your posts. You confuse fact with opinion/speculation. Do you even realize what the differences are?

In this thread, you stated that the ACC must be scared of losing other members because they have not settled the exit fee dispute. You also claimed that the ACC was at risk due to the countersuit. Terry, who IS an attorney, explained a logical legal strategy as to why the ACC may be continuing to litigate, as well as what the countersuit may or may not be.

We shall see how this all plays out, of course. In the meantime I would suggest you become better acquainted with the differences between facts and opinions.

FWIW, I think PJ's observations are on the mark. IMO (notice I am stating this as an opinion), younger folks sometimes have difficulty appreciating the differences between facts and their own opinions. I know I sometimes did.

 

[btstimpy]

Well that just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about.

Not sure how exactly I have been anything other than civil. After all its billy who is acting like a kid name calling because he didn't like the facts I posted. How again does that make him "civil" and me not?

LOL. You haven't posted a fact yet. But you seem to be worked up pretty well with your fantasies. Keep on dreaming. You lost me when you were saying that the Big XII makes as much money as the B1G and will continue to. I can't keep up with you because you keep coming up with whopper after whopper, and I'm stuck back in reality. But carry on.

 

[buckaineer]

It's not surprising that ACC fans who revel in telling "tall tales" wouldn't understand facts--facts such as FSU's actual earnings for broadcast/radio tier 3 rights rather than the whopping $6 million claimed, or the fact that the university of Maryland will be out of their league in four months and the ACC won't be able to withhold $52 million from them by that time. Facts like they altered the leagues previously proclaimed polices to allow in a partial member and a school that didn't meet criteria for inclusion. Not surprising considering the ACC has been telling such fables as they make as much as everyone else, no ACC team has ever left or will leave, they are more stable than the BIG 12 while at the same time they are suing to prevent members from leaving and have a school set to depart in months time, gems like the ACC network is "guaranteed" and the league won't have to buy any rights back to get it going.

ACC fans don't understand reality, facts--or civility for that matter so none of these responses comes as a surprise.

 

[buckaineer]

It's not surprising that ACC fans who revel in telling "tall tales" wouldn't understand facts--facts such as FSU's actual earnings for broadcast/radio tier 3 rights rather than the whopping $6 million claimed, or the fact that the university of Maryland will be out of their league in four months and the ACC won't be able to withhold $52 million from them by that time. Facts like they altered the leagues previously proclaimed polices to allow in a partial member and a school that didn't meet criteria for inclusion. Not surprising considering the ACC has been telling such fables as they make as much as everyone else, no ACC team has ever left or will leave, they are more stable than the BIG 12 while at the same time they are suing to prevent members from leaving and have a school set to depart in months time, gems like the ACC network is "guaranteed" and the league won't have to buy any rights back to get it going.

ACC fans don't understand reality, facts--or civility for that matter so none of these responses comes as a surprise.

p.s.--for a good laugh since you believe you are so knowledgeable about BIG 12 earnings--lets hear from you ACC geniuses again the "facts" of the BIG 12's future earnings.

 

[BC1978]

It's not surprising that ACC fans who revel in telling "tall tales" wouldn't understand facts--facts such as FSU's actual earnings for broadcast/radio tier 3 rights rather than the whopping $6 million claimed, or the fact that the university of Maryland will be out of their league in four months and the ACC won't be able to withhold $52 million from them by that time. Facts like they altered the leagues previously proclaimed polices to allow in a partial member and a school that didn't meet criteria for inclusion. Not surprising considering the ACC has been telling such fables as they make as much as everyone else, no ACC team has ever left or will leave, they are more stable than the BIG 12 while at the same time they are suing to prevent members from leaving and have a school set to depart in months time, gems like the ACC network is "guaranteed" and the league won't have to buy any rights back to get it going.

ACC fans don't understand reality, facts--or civility for that matter so none of these responses comes as a surprise.

Wow.......IMO, you sound like someone out of the Twilight Zone. You started off your posts by claiming as a "fact" that the ACC's decision to continue litigating the exit fees was proof that it was fearful of losing other members. You also claimed as fact that the ACC had a huge exposure with the countersuit. When you were called on both by other posters re: your so-called "facts", you respond by issuing a litany of new "facts", all having nothing to do in supporting what you first claimed about the ACC.

IMO, PJ's observations about you were right on the money.

 

[buckaineer]

Wow..IMO, you sound like someone out of the Twilight Zone. You started off your posts by claiming as a "fact" that the ACC's decision to continue litigating the exit fees was proof that it was fearful of losing other members. You also claimed as fact that the ACC had a huge exposure with the countersuit. When you were called on both by other posters re: your so-called "facts", you respond by issuing a litany of new "facts", all having nothing to do in supporting what you first claimed about the ACC.

IMO, PJ's observations about you were right on the money.

The ACC is continuing to sue Maryland in order to stop other members from attempting to do the same. They rushed through the buyout against their own bylaws for this very reason. It certainly isn't to keep Maryland in the conference--they are gone.

It is a fact that the ACC has opened itself up to huge exposure via the countersuit. UMD has already subpoenaed one of the ACCs members. There are bound to be more subpoenaes if there haven't already been. ACC officials are required by law--and if it goes to trial -under oath to provide secrets of the conference and its tv partners. How anyone could claim that isn't "exposure" is very telling about who is making such statements.

I haven't been "called on both" as you erroneously claim, some of your comrades are claiming I haven't posted anything factual, they haven't seen anything factual from me at all posted. I proved them wrong by reiterating just a few of the facts I've posted. What I posted is simply a continuation of many of the facts I've been posting here.

As far as the other comments, it strikes me as interesting that I'm being called uncivil by ACC fans for discussing some facts that have been played loosely with by supporters, while at the same time they are calling me a liar, calling me names and attacking the veracity of my posts without providing anything real that remotely contradicts anything I've said.

 

[06029]

The ACC is continuing to sue Maryland in order to stop other members from attempting to do the same. They rushed through the buyout against their own bylaws for this very reason. It certainly isn't to keep Maryland in the conference--they are gone.

It is a fact that the ACC has opened itself up to huge exposure via the countersuit. UMD has already subpoenaed one of the ACCs members. There are bound to be more subpoenaes if there haven't already been. ACC officials are required by law--and if it goes to trial -under oath to provide secrets of the conference and its tv partners. How anyone could claim that isn't "exposure" is very telling about who is making such statements.

I haven't been "called on both" as you erroneously claim, some of your comrades are claiming I haven't posted anything factual, they haven't seen anything factual from me at all posted. I proved them wrong by reiterating just a few of the facts I've posted. What I posted is simply a continuation of many of the facts I've been posting here.

As far as the other comments, it strikes me as interesting that I'm being called uncivil by ACC fans for discussing some facts that have been played loosely with by supporters, while at the same time they are calling me a liar, calling me names and attacking the veracity of my posts without providing anything real that remotely contradicts anything I've said.

Whether it was in accordance with the bylaws is what part if the lawsuit is all about. You have reached a conclusion that it was done wrong and state that as a fact. It is not a fact. Until it is decided by the courts, it is not clear if there was a bylaw violation. The ACC is suing MD to assert what it believes are its right to collect on a withdrawal fee that was passed by the league appropriately. MD says that it was not done appropriately and is suing the ACC for that along with the arguing that the amount is unfair. Can we agree on the basis of the lawsuits?

Clearly you have never been sued or sued a business. You subpoena everyone and everything looking for a thread you can pull. Think the ACC hasn't done the same to UMD and quite possible the B1G? The "secrets", if there are any, are probably well known to MD and I guess the question what "secrets" MD might have should also factor into this. Everyone on the MD side will also be under oath, too. They will be compelled to spill "secrets" of teh B1G and how they got there.

Out of 13 pages of posts, the only facts that I see are that you are a UWV fan, there is UVA fan, an ND fan, BC fan, FSU fan and Uconn fans that have posted. Part of me just thinks you are pissed that UWV had to buy their way out of the BE for an early exit instead of being able to walk away for almost nothing like BC, VT, Miami, Pitt Cuse and Lville did. That the Big XII fronted that money is probably impacting the UWV AD right now. Hopefully the rifle team is fully funded. That and Huggins legal budget. Be happy that you are in a conference of the haves. But stop asserting that you only post facts.

 

[buckaineer]

Whether it was in accordance with the bylaws is what part if the lawsuit is all about. You have reached a conclusion that it was done wrong and state that as a fact. It is not a fact. Until it is decided by the courts, it is not clear if there was a bylaw violation. The ACC is suing MD to assert what it believes are its right to collect on a withdrawal fee that was passed by the league appropriately. MD says that it was not done appropriately and is suing the ACC for that along with the arguing that the amount is unfair. Can we agree on the basis of the lawsuits?

Clearly you have never been sued or sued a business. You subpoena everyone and everything looking for a thread you can pull. Think the ACC hasn't done the same to UMD and quite possible the B1G? The "secrets", if there are any, are probably well known to MD and I guess the question what "secrets" MD might have should also factor into this. Everyone on the MD side will also be under oath, too. They will be compelled to spill "secrets" of teh B1G and how they got there.

Out of 13 pages of posts, the only facts that I see are that you are a UWV fan, there is UVA fan, an ND fan, BC fan, FSU fan and Uconn fans that have posted. Part of me just thinks you are pissed that UWV had to buy their way out of the BE for an early exit instead of being able to walk away for almost nothing like BC, VT, Miami, Pitt Cuse and Lville did. That the Big XII fronted that money is probably impacting the UWV AD right now. Hopefully the rifle team is fully funded. That and Huggins legal budget. Be happy that you are in a conference of the haves. But stop asserting that you only post facts.

The ACC isn't suing Maryland to determine whether or not it was ok via their bylaws to collect $52 million from Maryland.

The ACC sued Maryland to stop any other schools from attempting to leave the conference by showing they will indeed sue to try and enforce the buyout.

Maryland isn't staying, and from a legal standpoint it is highly doubtful the ACC is going to get $52 million extracted from Maryland and they surely know this. They are taking monies now--and UMD hasn't disputed that they could withhold monies, but that the league didn't follow its rules in when it began withholding. Further, that some of the money is actually Maryland's money from the NCAA, not the ACC's at all.

Maryland never said they wouldn't pay any buyout, they've claimed the amount is excessive and punitive-as has FSU. UMD will be out of the league by the end of June and the ACC isn't taking $52 million from them by then. The Maryland side of the lawsuit threatens the ACC with a loss of $157 million. To continue at this point is meaningless and even dangerous. And since the ACC claims they have a GOR, what is the point to continue unless they feel that if they lose other schools may depart (which several have discussed i.e. the letters obtained from UNC). To hold schools in is the entire purpose of the excessive buyout.

UMD presented the ACC bylaws in their original suit in the state of Maryland and in those bylaws it showed a timeline required for both notification of and change to the bylaws--which this new buyout is--a change. You and other ACC homers act as though it is some sort of longstanding bedrock of the conference. It's not--they changed it as a requirement of getting Notre Dame to sign on as a partial member-and after they had knowledge of schools looking elsewhere-just before UMD announced they were moving. Of course courts will rule on the matter, but the language is certainly in the bylaws produced as part of the suit and its well documented the ACC is claiming the buyout change became immediately effective.

As for your "secrets" theory, news reports show that Maryland subpoenaed Pitt, they don't show the ACC has done this to anyone. UMD was very open about the entire process and their reasons for moving and the entire account has been published in national news reports. The ACC on the other hand has had dealings whereby they destroyed the Big East conference by taking numerous teams, have changed buyouts with no justification repeatedly against members wishes, and have apparently along with their tv partner conspired to also harm the conference UMD was planning to move to. There are certainly damaging points that no ACC leader is going to want out in the open.

As far as facts, what I can see is that ACC fans have a very difficult time dealing with reality. Whenever facts come forward that show the ACC in anything other than a sunny light, ACC fans freak out and start lobbing all manner of venom including personal attacks, rather than discussing things rationally. Attack me, attack WVU, attack the BIG 12--but at some point you'll have to deal with the issues that are many and real in the ACC.

 

[billybud]

Yada, yada, ....ACC is doomed...yada, yada.
An example of kook posting...

But I really don't much care.

FSU is in a very good place right now.

A much better place then some.

A Heisman QB, a National Chaampionship, a probable top five preseason ranking coming up and another top recruiting class...a baseball team ranked #2 by Baseball America, and a bright future.

Come to think of it though, the ACC is doing pretty decent...

National Champion in Football- FSU

A second BCS bowl win- Clemson over Ohio State

2 teams in Mens Hoops top 5 nationally

#1 and #2 ranked baseball team in Baseball America .

 

[buckaineer]

Aaah yes, more uncivil ACC fan behavior above.

In the new season, a top five preseason ranking doesn't mean anything. The playoff committee will be ranking all top 25 schools and won't begin until sometime in October.

The ACC has less BCS bowl wins than any other P5 conference by far despite being gifted two BCS teams two years in a row for the first time in the conferences history.

In basketball the ACC stands as the number 5 conference nationally. Teams are ranked not because they defeated good teams or good OOC opponents, but because they have lots of wins against lighter competition.

The #1 basktball conference in the country is the BIG 12 conference in case anyone was wondering.

 

[billybud]

I get it Bucky...you have a well tended neurosis that involves ACC hate.

If anyone posts something positive about that conference, it sets you off.

 

[buckaineer]

I get it BeeBee ...you have a well tended neurosis that involves BIG 12 hate, WVU hate and a critical need to spread lies about the ACC in order to make yourself feel better.

This is a realignment board and I'm here to discuss real things that are happening, unlike you who is here to play childish name calling games, smear anyone who doesnt' agree with your ACC propoganda based on nothing, and disparage other schools and conferences. Grow up.

 

[billybud]

I get it BeeBee ...you have a well tended neurosis that involves BIG 12 hate, WVU hate and a critical need to spread lies about the ACC in order to make yourself feel better.

This is a realignment board and I'm here to discuss real things that are happening, unlike you who is here to play childish name calling games, smear anyone who doesnt' agree with your ACC propoganda based on nothing, and disparage other schools and conferences. Grow up.

Actually Bucko, I have been a WVU fan for over three decades...and have been on the BGN WVU Football board for 12 years.

No...I am not a Big 12 fan.

But I am not into kookiness...Do you see any posts from me on this board that references the Big 12 in any negative way? That is the big difference between you and me.

I may talk positively about the ACC...just as you about the Big 12...the big difference in the neurosis is that you must (like the Dude and M..HVER) also talk about the ACC in negative terms whenever you can.

 

[HawkHusky]

Aaah yes, more uncivil ACC fan behavior above.

In the new season, a top five preseason ranking doesn't mean anything. The playoff committee will be ranking all top 25 schools and won't begin until sometime in October.

The ACC has less BCS bowl wins than any other P5 conference by far despite being gifted two BCS teams two years in a row for the first time in the conferences history.

In basketball the ACC stands as the number 5 conference nationally. Teams are ranked not because they defeated good teams or good OOC opponents, but because they have lots of wins against lighter competition.

The #1 basktball conference in the country is the BIG 12 conference in case anyone was wondering.

I'll wait until after the NCAA tournament before I determine the #1 basketball conference. Last season many thought the Mountain West was one of the top conferences...then March happened.

 

[BC1978]

UMD was very open about the entire process and their reasons for moving and the entire account has been published in national news reports.

Here is a teaching moment for you Buck. You make a claim of fact regarding UMD's openess in the realignment process, inferring that "nationl news reports" support your claim. However, attached is an article from no less than the Washington Post calling into question the "openess" of UMD's process.

I have no issue with your opinions. I may not agree with them but that is what these boards are for - discussion and debate. I do have an issue when you state as fact things that are anything but, as you have clearly, IMO, done in this instance. This has been my premise in my replies to you in this thread.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...f6fe8a-3345-11e2-bb9b-288a310849ee_story.html

 

[UConn9604]

Is there any way to ensure at everyone who posts here has at least one UConn Club point?

I'm not saying we should exclude our guests. In fact, I'm saying the opposite.

I'd just like to have the Division of Athletics make money off the fact that this forum is apparently the nation's leading sounding board for all legal and cultural matters in conference realignment.

 

[Fairfield 1st]

Is there any way to ensure at everyone who posts here has at least one UConn Club point?

I'm not saying we should exclude our guests. In fact, I'm saying the opposite.

I'd just like to have the Division of Athletics make money off the fact that this forum is apparently the nation's leading sounding board for all legal and cultural matters in conference realignment.

Totally Agree...you look at the message board and it seems like every thread's most recent poster could care less about UCONN..its ACC troll upon ACC troll sharing their thoughts about how great or weak their conference is, how ESPN is or is not to blame, blah blah blah.

We should simply create a new board for Non UCONN posters .. so freaking discouraging to have it rubbed in your face everytime you check the BY (which I sadly do way too much)

 

[Dooley]

Is there any way to ensure at everyone who posts here has at least one UConn Club point?

I'm not saying we should exclude our guests. In fact, I'm saying the opposite.

I'd just like to have the Division of Athletics make money off the fact that this forum is apparently the nation's leading sounding board for all legal and cultural matters in conference realignment.

Love it. Yup, to register for the Boneyard, new members should have to pay a $10 fee to join "UCONN Country". For no other reason than knowing BC, Fruit, and Rutgers fans are active and involved members of UCONN Country, it would be worth it.

 

[UConn9604]

Love it. Yup, to register for the Boneyard, new members should have to pay a $10 fee to join "UCONN Country". For no other reason than knowing BC, Fruit, and Rutgers fans are active and involved members of UCONN Country, it would be worth it.

Just saying -- that basketball practice facility isn't building itself...

 

[billybud]

Got it guys...

See you again near football season...sayonara, auf weidersehn, arrivederci, bye y'all.

 

[buckaineer]

Ouch, coming from a nice guy like you thats got to hurt though I'm starting to accept you're advise on stimpy as a pretty good guy despite our differences and billy's insight was always interesting and folksy w/o being condescending for the most part. My guess on Bucky though is he's probably in his mid/late 30s but takes his CFB with youthful emotion like a lot of us older guys?

Again with the ACC spin. In conferences bylaws there are provisions for when departing members funds may be withheld. In the ACC its after an official announcement that funds are withheld. That is not what is in question. What is in question is when did the official announcement come, and what revenues are being withheld. Some of the revenues being withheld from UMD are from the NCAA, not the ACC ( all disbursed through the league). The ACC also began taking millions from Maryland prior to UMD announcing their departure as per the ACCs bylaws.

 

[buckaineer]

Actually Bucko, I have been a WVU fan for over three decades...and have been on the BGN WVU Football board for 12 years.

No...I am not a Big 12 fan.

But I am not into kookiness...Do you see any posts from me on this board that references the Big 12 in any negative way? That is the big difference between you and me.

I may talk positively about the ACC...just as you about the Big 12...the big difference in the neurosis is that you must (like the Dude and M..HVER) also talk about the ACC in negative terms whenever you can.

Bee bee ive been on the WVU boards for decades and you became active there when realignment began and talk of ACC schools changing-especially to the BIG 12. Since then you have worked the internet daily to spread misinformation about the BIG 12 and sometimes WVU.

As soon as I posted on this board you displayed your kookiness- rushing to attempt to disparage me personally and to disparage comments i had made as something other than the truth. Since that post you've made several attempts to talk down the BIG 12 and talk up the ACC as you always do.

Then as usual its " what me? I didn't do anything!" -the epitome of this "kookiness" you seem so fond of. None of your personal dislike of me is of interest to these UConn fans or me for that matter. I havent made any bones about who I follow and everyone on the Mountaineer boards knows you are a Duke and ACC fan.

I am here to discuss realignment, not hear ACC spin or play games with you--and for some reason you and the other ACC fans try to get in my way of talking with these posters from UConn. Its ok, they can make up their own minds-you dont need to keep trying to tell them what to think.

 

[buckaineer]

Here is a teaching moment for you Buck. You make a claim of fact regarding UMD's openess in the realignment process, inferring that "nationl news reports" support your claim. However, attached is an article from no less than the Washington Post calling into question the "openess" of UMD's process.

I have no issue with your opinions. I may not agree with them but that is what these boards are for - discussion and debate. I do have an issue when you state as fact things that are anything but, as you have clearly, IMO, done in this instance. This has been my premise in my replies to you in this thread.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...f6fe8a-3345-11e2-bb9b-288a310849ee_story.html

Sports illustrated, the Washington Post and others had interviews, financial information-full discussion of UMDs moves with quotes from their people. As I said, its all out there. Why they moved, how discussions were done, how the move was handled. UMD has been extremely transparent about what transpired and the reasons behind their moves.

On the other hand you dont see much info on how the ACC decided to deal a death blow to the Big East other than BCs AD telling us how the network partner told them what to do. How can the ACC justify trying to block schools from leaving after completely destroying another league? What was the process and rationale for raising the conferences buyout twice in less than a year, the second time to three times the operating budget? Or pushing it through in violation of the ACCs bylaws and then claiming it was in force immediately? Something many conference members questioned openly?

What were the leagues motives in going after two Big Ten schools after UMD announced they were leaving the ACC? Who advised them to do so and for what purpose?

An honest person will admit there are many damaging things that can come out of discovery and testimony by ACC officials. UMD on the other hand, nor the Big Ten has such concerns. Schools cant be held hostage by a conference and cant be made to pay punitive levels of damages. The ACC has little chance legally of collectingthe exorbitant sums they are attempting to extract. They aren't stopping Maryland from leaving. All members have significant financial risk as there is major countersuit against them. And now schools like Pitt are having to give up league secrets on their questionable dealings with networks, other conferences, and attempts to block schools in their league from departing. Quite a bit of risk and exposure there that if you take the blinders off you will see.

 

[NickyNewark]

Bee bee ive been on the WVU boards for decades and you became active there when realignment began and talk of ACC schools changing-especially to the BIG 12. Since then you have worked the internet daily to spread misinformation about the BIG 12 and sometimes WVU.

As soon as I posted on this board you displayed your kookiness- rushing to attempt to disparage me personally and to disparage comments i had made as something other than the truth. Since that post you've made several attempts to talk down the BIG 12 and talk up the ACC as you always do.

Then as usual its " what me? I didn't do anything!" -the epitome of this "kookiness" you seem so fond of. None of your personal dislike of me is of interest to these UConn fans or me for that matter. I havent made any bones about who I follow and everyone on the Mountaineer boards knows you are a Duke and ACC fan.

I am here to discuss realignment, not hear ACC spin or play games with you--and for some reason you and the other ACC fans try to get in my way of talking with these posters from UConn. Its ok, they can make up their own minds-you dont need to keep trying to tell them what to think.

Interesting.........? I leave my eyes and mind wide open by nature and experience.

 

[B1GEast]

Sports illustrated, the Washington Post and others had interviews, financial information-full discussion of UMDs moves with quotes from their people. As I said, its all out there. Why they moved, how discussions were done, how the move was handled. UMD has been extremely transparent about what transpired and the reasons behind their moves.

On the other hand you dont see much info on how the ACC decided to deal a death blow to the Big East other than BCs AD telling us how the network partner told them what to do. How can the ACC justify trying to block schools from leaving after completely destroying another league? What was the process and rationale for raising the conferences buyout twice in less than a year, the second time to three times the operating budget? Or pushing it through in violation of the ACCs bylaws and then claiming it was in force immediately? Something many conference members questioned openly?

What were the leagues motives in going after two Big Ten schools after UMD announced they were leaving the ACC? Who advised them to do so and for what purpose?

An honest person will admit there are many damaging things that can come out of discovery and testimony by ACC officials. UMD on the other hand, nor the Big Ten has such concerns. Schools cant be held hostage by a conference and cant be made to pay punitive levels of damages. The ACC has little chance legally of collectingthe exorbitant sums they are attempting to extract. They aren't stopping Maryland from leaving. All members have significant financial risk as there is major countersuit against them. And now schools like Pitt are having to give up league secrets on their questionable dealings with networks, other conferences, and attempts to block schools in their league from departing. Quite a bit of risk and exposure there that if you take the blinders off you will see.

well said buck

 

[BC1978]

Sports illustrated, the Washington Post and others had interviews, financial information-full discussion of UMDs moves with quotes from their people. As I said, its all out there. Why they moved, how discussions were done, how the move was handled. UMD has been extremely transparent about what transpired and the reasons behind their moves.

On the other hand you dont see much info on how the ACC decided to deal a death blow to the Big East other than BCs AD telling us how the network partner told them what to do. How can the ACC justify trying to block schools from leaving after completely destroying another league? What was the process and rationale for raising the conferences buyout twice in less than a year, the second time to three times the operating budget? Or pushing it through in violation of the ACCs bylaws and then claiming it was in force immediately? Something many conference members questioned openly?

What were the leagues motives in going after two Big Ten schools after UMD announced they were leaving the ACC? Who advised them to do so and for what purpose?

An honest person will admit there are many damaging things that can come out of discovery and testimony by ACC officials. UMD on the other hand, nor the Big Ten has such concerns. Schools cant be held hostage by a conference and cant be made to pay punitive levels of damages. The ACC has little chance legally of collectingthe exorbitant sums they are attempting to extract. They aren't stopping Maryland from leaving. All members have significant financial risk as there is major countersuit against them. And now schools like Pitt are having to give up league secrets on their questionable dealings with networks, other conferences, and attempts to block schools in their league from departing. Quite a bit of risk and exposure there that if you take the blinders off you will see.

Well....so much for teachable moments. I probably should have known better!

My limited point in the post above was to illustrate how one of your so-called "facts" - re: the transparency of the UMD move to the BiG - was being questioned by others. The article appeared in what is arguably one of UMD's "home-town" newspapers. In the article, questions were raised regarding the vote and whether the Maryland Open Meetings Act was followed.

I am not taking a position here. I am merely providing you with actual data that calls into question your assertion of fact. You mentioned other media reports. What SPECIFIC media reports? (Dealing with the transparency issue.) I provided you with an article from a reputable, well regarded news source. I look forward to seeing your links to other well regarded news sources which disagree with the WAPO on the issue of transparency.

Just so you know, I have read the SI article on the move. It was an extensive piece that dealt with the funding/financial aspects of the move. It did not touch on the issue of transparency which is what we are discussing here.

Again, so there is no confusion - I do not take a position on the issue of transparency regarding the UMD move. I am only stating that, IMO, you are being less than honest by continuing to state as an absolute fact that the UMD process was completely transparent, when I have shown you credible reporting that, IMO, casts some doubt on that claim.

No need to continue rehashing the exit fees suit and countersuit. We are not going to agree so let's just agree to disagee. If you are going to respond to my above post, please stick to the issue I raised.

 

[NickyNewark]

Well....so much for teachable moments. I probably should have known better!

My limited point in the post above was to illustrate how one of your so-called "facts" - re: the transparency of the UMD move to the BiG - was being questioned by others. The article appeared in what is arguably one of UMD's "home-town" newspapers. In the article, questions were raised regarding the vote and whether the Maryland Open Meetings Act was followed.

I am not taking a position here. I am merely providing you with actual data that calls into question your assertion of fact. You mentioned other media reports that would dispute this Washington Post article on the issue of transparancy. What SPECIFIC articles? (Dealing with the transparency issue.) I provided you with an article from a reputable, well regarded news source. I look forward to seeing your links to other well regarded news sources which counter the article in the WAPO on the issue of transparency.

Just so you know, I have read the SI article on the move. It was an extensive piece that dealt with the funding/financial aspects of the move. It did not touch on the issue of transparency which is what we are discussing here.

No need to continue rehashing the exit fees suit and countersuit. We are not going to agree so let's just agree to disagee. If you are going to respond to my above post, please stick to the issue I raised.

Lets face it...most of us unless we're insider's know only what they want us to know on both sides of the issue but 1 thing I know for sure is it su* x for most of those who love the regional and fair aspects of college sports.