OT: Diets

[temery]

Speaking of atherosclerosis and NPR, I caught a bit of a report this past week that was talking about a study of the Tsimane population in the Amazon, who apparently have the lowest rates ever recorded on the planet. Interesting stuff. No firm conclusions yet, but regular, low-intensity exercise certainly seems to be a big part: they walk an average of 7 1/2 miles a day.

Good read or listen:

Yep. As I said a few months ago... you are better off walking five miles for a steak than sitting on your couch and eating a salad. Use it or lose. The real surprise is that walking seems to be better than running.

 

[superjohn]

Anyone looking to get in more regular exercise: Keep a packed gym bag in your car every day, even on days when you have plans that would otherwise prevent you from getting to the gym or getting out for a run or walk. You'll be amazed when you start to appreciate how often plans change, and instead of killing time at a desk, in a bar or in your recliner, etc. you are able to take advantage of it and get in another 30 minutes or more of exercise.

I was just reminded of this, as we were supposed to go out for a family dinner tonight as a belated birthday dinner for one of our daughters, which would have prevented my evening exercise. I packed the gym bag nonetheless--always with both gym clothes and running clothes so I can decide based on weather and how I feel--and my wife just texted to say she has the flu and dinner is off. So...now I am prepared for whichever option I want.

Planet Fitness Black Card helps, too, as I can use any of them. I travel around the state often and that allows me to jump into nearby gyms when I have time to spare in between where I am and when I head home.

As Father Mychal Judge said, "Do you want to make God laugh? Tell Him what you have planned for tomorrow!"

Does Planet Fitness really offer free pizza and donuts?

 

[Rocktheworld]

No firm conclusions yet, but regular, low-intensity exercise certainly seems to be a big part: they walk an average of 7 1/2 miles a day.

I've seen a study where they took a whole bunch of diet and exercise groups from sedentary vegans to marathon runners who subscribe to a typical Western diet. Out of I forget how many, but at least 8 measures of cardiovascular health were taken, with the above two extremes being within the same best range, except on two measures in which sedentary vegans were healthier.

 

[8893]

Does Planet Fitness really offer free pizza and donuts?

I'm never there in the morning so I can't speak to the donuts, but they do have free pizza one night a month.

They also have free tanning for Black Card members.

None of them seem healthy to me, and I've never taken advantage of any.

I pay $20 a month to always have a place where I can get in a workout and shower.

 

[scrappy2.0]

Someone parse this for me.

He's eating 3/4ths of a veggie sub every day? What's he doing with the other quarter of a sub? That routine seems a little rough long term - you will eventually need protein and fat, my boy.

I put two egg whites on each 1/4. Obviously that does not reach my daily requirement but so far running lifting biking have not suffered and I actually feel very good. I was never fat--I just needed to bring it down a notch. Im just looking to sustain now or slightly drift down some more but I think the 4 small meals will be staying with me.

 

[8893]

I've seen a study where they took a whole bunch of diet and exercise groups from sedentary vegans to marathon runners who subscribe to a typical Western diet. Out of I forget how many, but at least 8 measures of cardiovascular health were taken, with the above two extremes being within the same best range, except on two measures in which sedentary vegans were healthier.

This is the takeaway of all of it for me:

So in the end, what's the key to their superb heart health? The high-carb, low-fat diet? The abundance of low-level exercise? A relatively healthy weight?

Gurven says they don't know yet. But it's probably a combination.

"You know it's not exactly the answer people want to hear," Gurven says. "There's no silver bullet against heart disease."

But the findings also show that you don't have to go to extremes to boost your heart health. A little extra walking, a little less fat and a few pounds off your frame probably work in concert to cut your risk of heart disease.

In other words, all things in moderation, even moderation itself.

 

[storrsroars]

I can also vouch for the simplicity of counting your calories with MyFitnessPal, exercise (basketball a couple times a week, walking) and just sticking to it. I used to snack on chips or candy while watching TV at night and have eliminated that. I was at 240 last March 1, dropped most of that quickly and have been hovering at the 200-205 mark consistently for the past eight months.

You're where I want to be a year from now.

I have to thank mau for turning me onto MFP. It was an eye opener to see how much after dinner TV nibbling added up - in my case it was almost a third of my daily calories on mostly garbage. I haven't done a lot of fast food in ages, don't consume a lot of sugar and my meal portion sizes have been reasonable and balanced for years. Mostly carb-laden snacks at the worst time to be eating them. So that awareness alone has been huge. Once I saw what it added up to, it made it pretty simple to change that habit.

The other thing, which I don't have a handle on yet, is sodium intake. I default to whatever is "closest" in MFP to what I ate. The sodium numbers are astronomical, and I don't add salt to much of anything. I wonder about the data, especially on "homemade" recipe entries - where's the salt coming from when using just meats (non-smoked) and non-processed produce? So that's my next project.

 

[donyell34]

Lost 40 pds...a few years ago and have kept it off. Not rocket science exercise, eat less , get off your butt and the couch and fall in love with vegetables and fruit. Know many people that overcomplicated there diet, charts and to much to always remember. Keep it simple.

 

[donyell34]

And totally stay away from sodium and processed food.

 

[superjohn]

Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.? I'm all about eating healthy most of the time and exercising but many of you sound like you cut out good tasting food, good tasting restaurants altogether.

 

[temery]

I put two egg whites on each 1/4. Obviously that does not reach my daily requirement but so far running lifting biking have not suffered and I actually feel very good. I was never fat--I just needed to bring it down a notch. Im just looking to sustain now or slightly drift down some more but I think the 4 small meals will be staying with me.

What happened to scrappy1.0?

 

[scrappy2.0]

What happened to scrappy1.0?

You changed websites and he was retired

 

[8893]

Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.?

Every week, usually several times.

 

[temery]

Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.? I'm all about eating healthy most of the time and exercising but many of you sound like you cut out good tasting food, good tasting restaurants altogether.

I have chronic kidney disease, and have been put on any number of diets. Three months ago I finally met a nutritionist who was realistic. She said any diet that is inflexible, is destined for failure. She's absolutely right.

My diet with her is low protein, low phosphorus, low potassium, and low sodium. But she told me to avg things out by the day (or two), not by the meal.

Whether it's coincidence or not, I don't know - but my most recent tests have been the best they've been in years.

 

[ctchamps]

The real solution is a good old fashion stomach bug. 7 pounds in 3 days. Sure most of it is water weight. But still.

This is what happens when you follow recruiting too closely. You have a case of the Diarras.

 

[donyell34]

Still go out superJohn and love food and restaurants and throw any diet restrictions out the window and totally enjoy the experience knowing the hard work has already been done. I'm not young and only am 5 pounds over my playing weight now aren't I something special. lol.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.? I'm all about eating healthy most of the time and exercising but many of you sound like you cut out good tasting food, good tasting restaurants altogether.

This is a tough one. You can't cut out everything. You'll never stick with it if you do. But I try to be a little more smart about it. It's not the nice meal with my wife at a really good restaurant that gets me. It's the casual trip to Chilis or a pub where I get a burger and fries. It's takeout pizza and Chinese food. That stuff needs to be pretty drastically cut back, at least for me. And I won't just reflexively order a beer with that burger and fries, I'll get a water or unsweetened ice tea. Because when you just blew through your calories, adding 200 more is unwise.

 

[intlzncster]

Seriously. I've dropped almost 30 pounds since January by switching to whole grains and eating portion sizes. It doesn't feel like I'm on a diet or anything since I'm full from the whole grain.

Jesus you weren't very heavy to begin with.

 

[August_West]

Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.? I'm all about eating healthy most of the time and exercising but many of you sound like you cut out good tasting food, good tasting restaurants altogether.

I would rather live a rockin life until 65 then one of a pansy until 80.

I mean I get people " feeling better" by employing healthy habits. More power to you. If you don't feel miserable and deprived to accomplish that goal, you are ahead of the game. If it does make you miserable maybe rethinking your approach to life is in order.

What gets me is people who make themselves miserable over it for some future goal of longevity. What fun are you going to have at 77? Its fine if you are alive, no problems there, but I think being unhealthy in your 20s and 30s is more fun than being healthy in your 70's.

Why are people's lives geared toward the future always? A future that may never come no matter how many good decisions you may have made. Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. No need to make it Torture.

Suck the marrow out of life everyday ( and for the purposes of this thread I mean literally go to Firebox and order some marrow and suck it down) . Bang some chicks, get hammered and blast a rail in a Buffalo Wild Wings bathroom stall. Eat some Arby's porkbelly.

 

[intlzncster]

Suck the marrow out of life everyday ( and for the purposes of this thread I mean literally go to Firebox and order some marrow and suck it down) . Bang some chicks, get hammered and blast a rail in a Buffalo Wild Wings bathroom stall. Eat some Arby's porkbelly.

Marge: Homer, when are you going to give up this crazy sugar scheme?
Homer: Never, Marge. Never. I can't live the button-down life like you. I want it all: the terrifying lows, the dizzying highs, the creamy middles. Sure, I might offend a few of the bluenoses with my cocky stride and musky odors - oh, I'll never be the darling of the so-called "City Fathers" who cluck their tongues, stroke their beards, and talk about "What's to be done with this Homer Simpson?"

 

[8893]

I would rather live a rockin life until 65 then one of a pansy until 80.

I mean I get people " feeling better" by employing healthy habits. More power to you. If you don't feel miserable and deprived to accomplish that goal, you are ahead of the game. If it does make you miserable maybe rethinking your approach to life is in order.

What gets me is people who make themselves miserable over it for some future goal of longevity. What fun are you going to have at 77? Its fine if you are alive, no problems there, but I think being unhealthy in your 20s and 30s is more fun than being healthy in your 70's.

Why are people's lives geared toward the future always? A future that may never come no matter how many good decisions you may have made. Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. No need to make it Torture.

Suck the marrow out of life everyday ( and for the purposes of this thread I mean literally go to Firebox and order some marrow and suck it down) . Bang some chicks, get hammered and blast a rail in a Buffalo Wild Wings bathroom stall. Eat some Arby's porkbelly.

So you're saying mebbe scrappy should slather some marrow on his Subway veggie subs? Would you apply on top of the egg whites, on the veggies or directly on the bread?

 

[superjohn]

I would rather live a rockin life until 65 then one of a pansy until 80.

I mean I get people " feeling better" by employing healthy habits. More power to you. If you don't feel miserable and deprived to accomplish that goal, you are ahead of the game. If it does make you miserable maybe rethinking your approach to life is in order.

What gets me is people who make themselves miserable over it for some future goal of longevity. What fun are you going to have at 77? Its fine if you are alive, no problems there, but I think being unhealthy in your 20s and 30s is more fun than being healthy in your 70's.

Why are people's lives geared toward the future always? A future that may never come no matter how many good decisions you may have made. Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. No need to make it Torture.

Suck the marrow out of life everyday ( and for the purposes of this thread I mean literally go to Firebox and order some marrow and suck it down) . Bang some chicks, get hammered and blast a rail in a Buffalo Wild Wings bathroom stall. Eat some Arby's porkbelly.

Agree with all of this except for BW3's. Do your lines somewhere else, at no time is it acceptable to go to BW3's.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I would rather live a rockin life until 65 then one of a pansy until 80.

Aaaaahh, bout time you showed up. So what exactly is un-pansy about eating animal flesh and byproducts? This is a hilarious start.

I mean I get people " feeling better" by employing healthy habits. More power to you. If you don't feel miserable and deprived to accomplish that goal, you are ahead of the game. If it does make you miserable maybe rethinking your approach to life is in order.

What gets me is people who make themselves miserable over it for some future goal of longevity.

So if people challenge and better themselves and push through relative hardship ("durr muh bacon... this is so hard... I'm so miserable..." speaking of pansy), they need to re-evaluate their approach to life? LMAO life IS struggle. Life IS pushing through misery. Life is not about stagnating in what is comfortable. You very clearly have never considered this. If one's enjoyment of life is at all predicated on whether or not they eat meat, they lead a sad existence. Highly privileged position, to be miserable without meat.

What fun are you going to have at 77? Its fine if you are alive, no problems there, but I think being unhealthy in your 20s and 30s is more fun than being healthy in your 70's.

Have you ever considered that if one lives a healthy adulthood, they will have a capacity to enjoy their 70s more than your average Westerner who by then their chronic diet/exercise habits have caught up and create the misery of kidney disease and diabetes? Have you considered some people want to be healthy to see their grandchildren grow as old as possible, or to set a good example?

Why are people's lives geared toward the future always? A future that may never come no matter how many good decisions you may have made. Life is what happens while you are busy making other plans. No need to make it Torture.

What an absolutely awful and frankly childish outlook/justification. You are to your body (and it seems other things as well) as the Republicans are to the climate. How's not having a retirement plan working for you?

Suck the marrow out of life everyday ( and for the purposes of this thread I mean literally go to Firebox and order some marrow and suck it down) . Bang some chicks, get hammered and blast a rail in a Buffalo Wild Wings bathroom stall. Eat some Arby's porkbelly.

Why does the slaughter, butchering, and consumption of innocent sentient beings have to be a part of any enjoyable life? How many of us ITT sound miserable?

 

[tzznandrew]

Jesus you weren't very heavy to begin with.

Heavier than I looked. I was somewhere around 225, and at 5'7" that's not a great place.

 

[August_West]

Aaaaahh, bout time you showed up. So what exactly is un-pansy about eating animal flesh and byproducts? This is a hilarious start.


So if people challenge and better themselves and push through relative hardship ("durr muh bacon... this is so hard... I'm so miserable..." speaking of pansy), they need to re-evaluate their approach to life? LMAO life IS struggle. Life IS pushing through misery. Life is not about stagnating in what is comfortable. You very clearly have never considered this. If one's enjoyment of life is at all predicated on whether or not they eat meat, they lead a sad existence. Highly privileged position, to be miserable without meat.


Have you ever considered that if one lives a healthy adulthood, they will have a capacity to enjoy their 70s more than your average Westerner who by then their chronic diet/exercise habits have caught up and create the misery of kidney disease and diabetes? Have you considered some people want to be healthy to see their grandchildren grow as old as possible, or to set a good example?


What an absolutely awful and frankly childish outlook/justification. You are to your body (and it seems other things as well) as the Republicans are to the climate. How's not having a retirement plan working for you?


Why does the slaughter, butchering, and consumption of innocent sentient beings have to be a part of any enjoyable life? How many of us ITT sound miserable?

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