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Fishy said:
Someone parse this for me.

He's eating 3/4ths of a veggie sub every day? What's he doing with the other quarter of a sub? That routine seems a little rough long term - you will eventually need protein and fat, my boy.
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I think maybe he buys a bunch of them, cuts them into quarters, eats 3 a day, and thus builds up a supply of wet, slimy veggie sub quarters?

I lost 25 pounds in a year once despite not changing my diet. I'm pretty sure I had a tapeworm once. Esophagitis also works like a charm
 
DaveHuskiesFan said:
Off topic a bit, but do you also not wear leather shoes, belts, briefcase, watch straps, etc?

If you do wear them, does it make you feel like a hypocrite? Not trying to be a pr!ck, just genuinely curious.
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So there is being "plant-based" and then there is being full-on vegan. One is a diet, the other is an entire lifestyle. But yes I avoid that whenever I can but I don't do so to call myself a vegan.

Regardless, we're all hypocrites anyway!
 
Anyone looking to get in more regular exercise: Keep a packed gym bag in your car every day, even on days when you have plans that would otherwise prevent you from getting to the gym or getting out for a run or walk. You'll be amazed when you start to appreciate how often plans change, and instead of killing time at a desk, in a bar or in your recliner, etc. you are able to take advantage of it and get in another 30 minutes or more of exercise.

I was just reminded of this, as we were supposed to go out for a family dinner tonight as a belated birthday dinner for one of our daughters, which would have prevented my evening exercise. I packed the gym bag nonetheless--always with both gym clothes and running clothes so I can decide based on weather and how I feel--and my wife just texted to say she has the flu and dinner is off. So...now I am prepared for whichever option I want.

Planet Fitness Black Card helps, too, as I can use any of them. I travel around the state often and that allows me to jump into nearby gyms when I have time to spare in between where I am and when I head home.

As Father Mychal Judge said, "Do you want to make God laugh? Tell Him what you have planned for tomorrow!"
 
Rocktheworld said:
Regardless of through evolution or not, the point is that we are herbivores. That's not the only piece of evidence. You look at human dentition, you look at our salivary and digestive enzymes... if anything we defied our nature by consuming animals out of desperation for calories. Imagine what they caught tasted like, cooked (if at all) with hunter-gatherer technology?

Is this supposed to be some justification for continued consumption in modern society?



Well that's what this all boils down to so I don't even know how to answer that question. Do you mean I think it makes it somehow feel less wrong if I know that that patty of ground up flesh came from a cow that lived a comfortable life? Not particularly, see below


Well on top of that, one could argue it's quite the betrayal to bring up a cow from an infant calf, showing it love and good treatment, all for you to slaughter and butcher and consume it. Wouldn't it feel like eating a pet to you?

Edit I guess harvesting milk/eggs from well-treated cows/chickens isn't the worst
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I'm cool with people believing this, and acting accordingly, as long as they don't try to impose those views on the rest of us. My sister is a vegetarian, and a conservation biologist who studies animals. So that makes sense to me.

The reality is that we aren't herbivores, and brain development is slowed among herbivores compared to animals that eat meat. Humans are omnivores. Here's some more data, from vegan scientists.
 
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husky99 said:
The real solution is a good old fashion stomach bug. 7 pounds in 3 days. Sure most of it is water weight. But still.
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Nah, few things beat advanced kidney disease. Sure, the steroids may cause 100 pounds in weight gain, but you'll lose more than that toward the end.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I'm cool with people believing this, and acting accordingly, as long as they don't try to impose those views on the rest of us. My sister is a vegetarian, and a conservation biologist who studies animals. So that makes sense to me.

The reality is that we aren't herbivores, and brain development is slowed among herbivores compared to animals that eat meat. Humans are omnivores. Here's some more data, from vegan scientists.
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I agree that humans are omnivores. I'm also a firm believer in doing what you feel is best for your body and never projecting this kind of big lifestyle decision on to others. As I said earlier, I've been a vegetarian for six months and have never once told a friend/family/colleague to try vegetarianism. It's worked great for me, doesn't mean it'll work for others.

Re: brain development - I don't know if what you stated is true but brain development is believed to stop around 25. So after that age I'm not sure that there will be many negatives of avoiding meat. I'm well past 25 so I'm not concerned with this, especially since I've had much more energy and my ability to focus has improved quite a bit.

Another improvement I noticed since going vegetarian is that my energy is far more stable/consistent in addition to being better. I didn't realize how many protein/meat crashes I had. I used to have a propensity to nap far too often, much to my wife's dismay. Those little 20-30 minute cat naps on the couch in the evening. I've taken one nap in the last six months and it was after a night of getting four hours of sleep.
 
HuskyHawk said:
I'm cool with people believing this, and acting accordingly, as long as they don't try to impose those views on the rest of us. My sister is a vegetarian, and a conservation biologist who studies animals. So that makes sense to me.

The reality is that we aren't herbivores, and brain development is slowed among herbivores compared to animals that eat meat. Humans are omnivores. Here's some more data, from vegan scientists.
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Can omnivores develop atherosclerosis? The editor of the American Journal of Cardiology states that only herbivores can develop it, thus humans must be herbivores.
 
I can also vouch for the simplicity of counting your calories with MyFitnessPal, exercise (basketball a couple times a week, walking) and just sticking to it. I used to snack on chips or candy while watching TV at night and have eliminated that. I was at 240 last March 1, dropped most of that quickly and have been hovering at the 200-205 mark consistently for the past eight months.
 
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HuskyHawk said:
NPR. It relates to brain development of infants.
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That explains the viability of a species, not the health of an individual. Vegetarians live longer than omnivores. That doesn't mean it's solely due to diet, but if you want to live longer, eating more fruits and vegetables is best.
 
Speaking of atherosclerosis and NPR, I caught a bit of a report this past week that was talking about a study of the Tsimane population in the Amazon, who apparently have the lowest rates ever recorded on the planet. Interesting stuff. No firm conclusions yet, but regular, low-intensity exercise certainly seems to be a big part: they walk an average of 7 1/2 miles a day.

Good read or listen:

 
temery said:
That explains the viability of a species, not the health of an individual. Vegetarians live longer than omnivores. That doesn't mean it's solely due to diet, but if you want to live longer, eating more fruits and vegetables is best.
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Sure. And when we are talking about "are humans omnivores" the species, not the individual, is what is relevant. I'm not saying becoming a vegetarian as an adult human is unhealthy. And it is certainly the case that omnivores like us need a lot of fruits and vegetables, more than most Americans probably consume. No argument there.
 
8893 said:
Speaking of atherosclerosis and NPR, I caught a bit of a report this past week that was talking about a study of the Tsimane population in the Amazon, who apparently have the lowest rates ever recorded on the planet. Interesting stuff. No firm conclusions yet, but regular, low-intensity exercise certainly seems to be a big part: they walk an average of 7 1/2 miles a day.

Good read or listen:

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Yep. As I said a few months ago... you are better off walking five miles for a steak than sitting on your couch and eating a salad. Use it or lose. The real surprise is that walking seems to be better than running.
 
8893 said:
Anyone looking to get in more regular exercise: Keep a packed gym bag in your car every day, even on days when you have plans that would otherwise prevent you from getting to the gym or getting out for a run or walk. You'll be amazed when you start to appreciate how often plans change, and instead of killing time at a desk, in a bar or in your recliner, etc. you are able to take advantage of it and get in another 30 minutes or more of exercise.

I was just reminded of this, as we were supposed to go out for a family dinner tonight as a belated birthday dinner for one of our daughters, which would have prevented my evening exercise. I packed the gym bag nonetheless--always with both gym clothes and running clothes so I can decide based on weather and how I feel--and my wife just texted to say she has the flu and dinner is off. So...now I am prepared for whichever option I want.

Planet Fitness Black Card helps, too, as I can use any of them. I travel around the state often and that allows me to jump into nearby gyms when I have time to spare in between where I am and when I head home.

As Father Mychal Judge said, "Do you want to make God laugh? Tell Him what you have planned for tomorrow!"
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Does Planet Fitness really offer free pizza and donuts?
 
8893 said:
No firm conclusions yet, but regular, low-intensity exercise certainly seems to be a big part: they walk an average of 7 1/2 miles a day.
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I've seen a study where they took a whole bunch of diet and exercise groups from sedentary vegans to marathon runners who subscribe to a typical Western diet. Out of I forget how many, but at least 8 measures of cardiovascular health were taken, with the above two extremes being within the same best range, except on two measures in which sedentary vegans were healthier.
 
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superjohn said:
Does Planet Fitness really offer free pizza and donuts?
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I'm never there in the morning so I can't speak to the donuts, but they do have free pizza one night a month.

They also have free tanning for Black Card members.

None of them seem healthy to me, and I've never taken advantage of any.

I pay $20 a month to always have a place where I can get in a workout and shower.
 
Fishy said:
Someone parse this for me.

He's eating 3/4ths of a veggie sub every day? What's he doing with the other quarter of a sub? That routine seems a little rough long term - you will eventually need protein and fat, my boy.
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I put two egg whites on each 1/4. Obviously that does not reach my daily requirement but so far running lifting biking have not suffered and I actually feel very good. I was never fat--I just needed to bring it down a notch. Im just looking to sustain now or slightly drift down some more but I think the 4 small meals will be staying with me.
 
Rocktheworld said:
I've seen a study where they took a whole bunch of diet and exercise groups from sedentary vegans to marathon runners who subscribe to a typical Western diet. Out of I forget how many, but at least 8 measures of cardiovascular health were taken, with the above two extremes being within the same best range, except on two measures in which sedentary vegans were healthier.
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This is the takeaway of all of it for me:

So in the end, what's the key to their superb heart health? The high-carb, low-fat diet? The abundance of low-level exercise? A relatively healthy weight?

Gurven says they don't know yet. But it's probably a combination.

"You know it's not exactly the answer people want to hear," Gurven says. "There's no silver bullet against heart disease."

But the findings also show that you don't have to go to extremes to boost your heart health. A little extra walking, a little less fat and a few pounds off your frame probably work in concert to cut your risk of heart disease.
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In other words, all things in moderation, even moderation itself.
 
Giscombe12 said:
I can also vouch for the simplicity of counting your calories with MyFitnessPal, exercise (basketball a couple times a week, walking) and just sticking to it. I used to snack on chips or candy while watching TV at night and have eliminated that. I was at 240 last March 1, dropped most of that quickly and have been hovering at the 200-205 mark consistently for the past eight months.
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You're where I want to be a year from now.

I have to thank mau for turning me onto MFP. It was an eye opener to see how much after dinner TV nibbling added up - in my case it was almost a third of my daily calories on mostly garbage. I haven't done a lot of fast food in ages, don't consume a lot of sugar and my meal portion sizes have been reasonable and balanced for years. Mostly carb-laden snacks at the worst time to be eating them. So that awareness alone has been huge. Once I saw what it added up to, it made it pretty simple to change that habit.

The other thing, which I don't have a handle on yet, is sodium intake. I default to whatever is "closest" in MFP to what I ate. The sodium numbers are astronomical, and I don't add salt to much of anything. I wonder about the data, especially on "homemade" recipe entries - where's the salt coming from when using just meats (non-smoked) and non-processed produce? So that's my next project.
 
Lost 40 pds...a few years ago and have kept it off. Not rocket science exercise, eat less , get off your butt and the couch and fall in love with vegetables and fruit. Know many people that overcomplicated there diet, charts and to much to always remember. Keep it simple.
 
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Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.? I'm all about eating healthy most of the time and exercising but many of you sound like you cut out good tasting food, good tasting restaurants altogether.
 
scrappy2.0 said:
I put two egg whites on each 1/4. Obviously that does not reach my daily requirement but so far running lifting biking have not suffered and I actually feel very good. I was never fat--I just needed to bring it down a notch. Im just looking to sustain now or slightly drift down some more but I think the 4 small meals will be staying with me.
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What happened to scrappy1.0?
 
superjohn said:
Do any of you enjoy food, go out to restaurants etc.? I'm all about eating healthy most of the time and exercising but many of you sound like you cut out good tasting food, good tasting restaurants altogether.
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I have chronic kidney disease, and have been put on any number of diets. Three months ago I finally met a nutritionist who was realistic. She said any diet that is inflexible, is destined for failure. She's absolutely right.

My diet with her is low protein, low phosphorus, low potassium, and low sodium. But she told me to avg things out by the day (or two), not by the meal.

Whether it's coincidence or not, I don't know - but my most recent tests have been the best they've been in years.
 
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