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DePaul and the Big East

ConnHuskBask said:
Some may recall that years ago Temple was kicked out of the Big East as an affiliate football member due to not meeting requirements/support the league has set.

I don't think it's such a crazy question to evaluate DePaul - even as a full member - under a similar lense.

This is Depaul's 19th season in the Big East and their membership has been nothing short of an abomination.

18 completed seasons have yielded:

-1 NIT bid
-1 season with a winning conference record
-7 last place finishes
-Have 3 conference wins or less in 11 of 17 seasons
-Total win loss of 66 and 255 (21%)
-0 fan support or buzz

This program will have the same media distribution from the Big East as UConn?

I've been against expansion because I enjoy the round robin.. but it's about time we boot these losers and get Gonzaga, Dayton, or St. Louis...anyone with a pulse.
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Don't knock it. Two practice games per season is a nice benefit in a conference that otherwise has ZERO letup.
 
When Northwestern gets booted from the Big 10, the Big East will write a check to bring them aboard.
 
Waquoit said:
Imagine what other teams were saying about UConn in 1985.
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We were 6-10 in the league and only 3 years removed from 4 straight seasons of post season play. We stunk, but nothing like this.
 
John said:
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My bad. I thought this was a UConn board, not a Rutgers board.
 
Rich said:
Don't knock it. Two practice games per season is a nice benefit in a conference that otherwise has ZERO letup.
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that's what OOC cupcakes are for.
 
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While this is nice message board banter, it is ridiculously unlikely.

I doubt there is a current mechanism within the conference to dismiss a program but if there were, it likely would require a super majority of votes.

We know that DePaul won't vote themselves out. I imagine that any school that recruits Chicago (Marquette, Butler, probably Creighton & Xavier) wants them in the conference and any school that may fear they could be next would never vote someone out.
 
I know Marquette is successful but perhaps being in the middle of B1G country is a problem. The Big East "East" has it's own footprint and frankly SJU and Georgetown should be doing a lot better too. One thing St. Louis would do is bring another regional rival to the "West" division and I know the Billikens aren't exactly on fire but a rising tide and all. DePaul clearly needs to find a new coach, no question.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
10 million customers a year are cutting the cord.
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I wanted to cut the cord because my Comcast bill was absurd. I went in to talk to them and what they were offering was a deal on bundling TV, Internet, and cell service plus they gave me a free Samsung phone. That knocked my bills way down. Cutting the cord probably wouldn't have saved me any money, it's far more of a pain in the arse and I still would've been missing some things I watch.

I always thought cable TV would be dead but they seem to be getting more competitive and when you go a la carte it adds up.
 
Kolumbo said:
I know Marquette is successful but perhaps being in the middle of B1G country is a problem. The Big East "East" has it's own footprint and frankly SJU and Georgetown should be doing a lot better too. One thing St. Louis would do is bring another regional rival to the "West" division and I know the Billikens aren't exactly on fire but a rising tide and all. DePaul clearly needs to find a new coach, no question.
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Minus DePaul our Midwest teams are a big reason the Big East is still a top basketball conference. Obviously UConn and Nova carry the biggest load but Xavier, Marquette, Creighton and even Butler have carried their weight.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
10 million customers a year are cutting the cord.
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They might not be getting Tv from verizon or the cable co…but they r getting it from Hulu, YT tv or another. Those companies still pay the B1G. I’ve had Hulu for a few years…it has Acc and B1G networks so they r getting paid.
 
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superjohn said:
I wanted to cut the cord because my Comcast bill was absurd. I went in to talk to them and what they were offering was a deal on bundling TV, Internet, and cell service plus they gave me a free Samsung phone. That knocked my bills way down. Cutting the cord probably wouldn't have saved me any money, it's far more of a pain in the arse and I still would've been missing some things I watch.

I always thought cable TV would be dead but they seem to be getting more competitive and when you go a la carte it adds up.
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100% Cable is stepping it up, Vinyl records are big business, and DePaul can for certain put together a winning program. Can't see feeling strongly about kicking them out either. We've won 4 Nattys with Depaul in our conference and 1 with East Carolina. It wouldn't matter to us either way.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
10 million customers a year are cutting the cord.
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You guys do realize that when they say "cutting the cord" they are talking about getting rid of old school cable (Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T. etc.) but those people are just replacing that with streaming cable (YouTube TV, Hulu, Fubu, Sling, etc.)...

I think there has been a real misconception of what cutting the cord means. Networks that air sports we watch are still getting paid to have their programming carried. That's why even though cable subs are down nearly 40%, viewership of the money making sport (CFB) is UP 28% over the past 5 years.
 
McLovin said:
You guys do realize that when they say "cutting the cord" they are talking about getting rid of old school cable (Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T. etc.) but those people are just replacing that with streaming cable (YouTube TV, Hulu, Fubu, Sling, etc.)...

I think there has been a real misconception of what cutting the cord means. Networks that air sports we watch are still getting paid to have their programming carried. That's why even though cable subs are down nearly 40%, viewership of the money making sport (CFB) is UP 28% over the past 5 years.
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Exactly...the only thing that will impact this is a-la-carte pricing. And that won't happen for a long time, or ever since the ABCs, etc will fight all the way...Verizon tried to offer that a few years ago and espn sued them...that option went away immediately
 
superjohn said:
Minus DePaul our Midwest teams are a big reason the Big East is still a top basketball conference. Obviously UConn and Nova carry the biggest load but Xavier, Marquette, Creighton and even Butler have carried their weight.
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I agree but it might help if there were 1 or 2 other programs in that region because the B1G really dominates that area. Duquesne, Dayton, St. Louis are in the region but not likely to be added.
 
NJHusky said:
Exactly...the only thing that will impact this is a-la-carte pricing. And that won't happen for a long time, or ever since the ABCs, etc will fight all the way...Verizon tried to offer that a few years ago and espn sued them...that option went away immediately
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But to the original point, I do also think that the value a school like Rutgers brings is less because as everyone moves to streaming they no longer bring the “market box subscribers” since everyone on YouTube TV gets access to BTN (and other conference networks). Which is why conferences are focusing on brands (because they just care about total viewers, regardless of where they are from).

So the question soon goes from, “if we kick out Rutgers, we lose how many BTN cable subscribers?” to “if we kick out Rutgers, we lose how many BTN viewers?”

Edit: with that said, Rutgers football actually had respectable viewership last season with nearly 1M viewers per game, 45th in the country
 
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This reminds me of the “Don’t sleep on Richie Springs” post that ran for like 3 years. Every year Richie was going to have a breakout season. Every year he barely got off the bench. He is now playing at QU. I don’t know how much he plays there. He came off the bench for a few minutes in the 1 game I saw. Nice kid. Dedicated. Just not that good. One might say something similar about DePaul.
 
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McLovin said:
You guys do realize that when they say "cutting the cord" they are talking about getting rid of old school cable (Comcast, Spectrum, AT&T. etc.) but those people are just replacing that with streaming cable (YouTube TV, Hulu, Fubu, Sling, etc.)...

I think there has been a real misconception of what cutting the cord means. Networks that air sports we watch are still getting paid to have their programming carried. That's why even though cable subs are down nearly 40%, viewership of the money making sport (CFB) is UP 28% over the past 5 years.
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I know exactly what cutting the cord means. I also know that about 70-80% are replacing it with youtube or Hulu, but many people are just going DTC. And the carriage fees on the aggregators are not close to what they were on cable.

This is why Iger at Disney is trying to dump ESPN. But if you know better, you should call him up and offer to buy ESPN. I am sure Iger would be very reasonable on the price. It may be hard to get financing though.
 
Their last solid year was 2004 when they made the second round of the tourney and....got crushed by eventual champs UConn 72-55. Their last halfway decent year was 2007 losing in the quarters of the NIT.

Before 04, they had a close loss to Kansas in the first round of the tourney in 2000.

I like to call them Day Paul cause any day they'll maybe be half way decent again, any day DePaul, any day you want to be at least average...
 
Waquoit said:
Imagine what other teams were saying about UConn in 1985.
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UConn had a 18-16 Big East conference record the first 3 years in the Big East with two 20 win seasons and three NITs. Then, they let Perno stay for 4 losing seasons before they hired Calhoun in 1986, In college basketball, the head coach determines how good a program can be.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
My bad. I thought this was a UConn board, not a Rutgers board.
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This is your defense of a post that had 2 paragraphs: one about DePaul, followed by one about Rutgers?

You almost had me when I saw a post by you that started with, "My bad..."
 
Look at Baylor before hiring Scott Drew. From 1951 until 2007, Baylor had been to 1 NCAA tournament and 3 NITs with no conference championships. And, they had a player murder scandal under Dave Bliss, the coach before they hired Drew. Some people would argue that Drew has done as good a job of program building at Baylor as Calhoun did at UConn.
 
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Another often overlooked factor is the athletic budget / facilities. What is depauls like compared to these other schools being mentioned?

A school to keep an eye on in realignment (though probs not for the big east) is James Madison. If I remember they have a huge athletic budget with top notch facilities comparatively to other mid majors. I was surprised the AAC passed on them, something to do with politics or something?
 
UConnJim said:
UConn had a 18-16 Big East conference record the first 3 years in the Big East with two 20 win seasons and three NITs. Then, they let Perno stay for 4 losing seasons before they hired Calhoun in 1986, In college basketball, the head coach determines how good a program can be.
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In 1986, UConn was a team with no hope and no future. They had a coach that was putting out worse and worse teams every year. And an absentee athletic director that didn't seem to care. We were the team people were saying was content to just cash paychecks without trying to do better. As we know, one good hire can change everything.
 
DePaul needs a smaller arena on the north side near the campus. Their version of Carnesecca Arena. A place they can fill up. That would add immediate excitement to their games and program and start to make them relevant again. Their downward trend began when they moved to the Rosemont Horizon Arena near O'Hare and has continued to Wintrust on the southside near McCormick Place. This building was a huge mistake and awful for the program.
 
2 "getright" games a year within the conference to get guys in a groove, get their confidence up, and collect a win during a brutal conference season, they can be terrible forever for all I care. somebody has to suck, every team in the conference can't be good. hell, I think UConn playing them in the BET opener in 2011 got them back on track after they closed out the regular season with back to back Ls.
 
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