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DePaul and the Big East

Brochacho said:
DePaul is an important school to the conference if we decide to look into Gonzaga. Anything goes on the CR Board right?

Big East adds Gonzaga, Saint Louis, Dayton and goes to two 7 team divisions.

Big East North: Gonzaga, Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Xavier, Dayton
Big East South: UConn, Providence, SJU, SJU, Georgetown, Nova, SLU

You play H/H vs the 6 other teams in your division. You have 3 protected H/H vs the other. For example, UConn could play Creighton, Marquette and DePaul H/H. We would then playing 2 of Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier and Dayton at home and 2 away - alternating each year. 22 conference game schedule. Could do 1 protected H/H and then 3 H/ 3A games to keep the schedule at 20.

Gonzaga is obviously a valuable school, and Dayton comes with a great fanbase. SLU is really just to help with geographical footprint. I think the Big East needs to knock the A-10 down a peg and keep Gonzaga from the MWC. Would really separate us from the rest of CBB ahead of the ACC implosion.
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Holy Mid-Major Batman
 
DePaul was a bad add way back in the day. There. I said it. Mistake
 
DePaul was a bad add back when the 16-team league was formed. They were forced in to provide another basketball school to provide balance between the basketball & football sides; which had never before existed in the league. At the point they were added, they had, had 3 NCAA tournament appearances dating back to the 91-92 season where they joined the precursor of Conference USA, however they had had a 20-win season (and one of those appearances) recently and culturally fit the profile of what the basketball schools wanted. From a strategic perspective, it was a good thing for the basketball schools as having the 8th culuturally aligned institution provided them with the cushion they needed to split-off and form this incarnation of the league. From a competitiveness perspective, well they have one winning conference record since joining the Big East and it's still 3 tournament appearances since the 91-92 season.
 
After 22 years of living through realignment hell, I would have thought that at least some of the UConn fans would understand why some schools are selected in realignment and others are not.

DePaul is in a massive market with a lot of basketball fans that produces a ton of basketball talent. Depaul was a major program at one point and may be again if it ever gets its NIL situation upgraded, which is not impossible in a city the size of Chicago. That is why DePaul is in a major basketball conference.
 
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nelsonmuntz said:
After 22 years of living through realignment hell, I would have thought that at least some of the UConn fans would understand why some schools are selected in realignment and others are not.

DePaul is in a massive market with a lot of basketball fans that produces a ton of basketball talent. Depaul was a major program at one point and may be again if it ever gets its NIL situation upgraded, which is not impossible in a city the size of Chicago. That is why DePaul is in a major basketball conference.
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In realignment, basketball is quaint.
 
John said:
In realignment, basketball is quaint.
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And you proved my point of many UConn fans having no idea why things have happened in realignment. Maybe it is spending too much time reading the anti-basketball circle jerk posts that just make people stupider.

TCU to the Big 12 and Utah to the Pac 12 and then Big 12 are two of a very small number of examples of "football driving the bus" since 2010. Missouri and A&M to the SEC had little to do with football. Rutgers and Maryland? Syracuse, Pitt and BCU? Point us to an example where a school was brought into another conference solely because of football.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
And you proved my point of many UConn fans having no idea why things have happened in realignment. Maybe it is spending too much time reading the anti-basketball circle jerk posts that just make people stupider.

TCU to the Big 12 and Utah to the Pac 12 and then Big 12 are two of a very small number of examples of "football driving the bus" since 2010. Missouri and A&M to the SEC had little to do with football. Rutgers and Maryland? Syracuse, Pitt and BCU? Point us to an example where a school was brought into another conference solely because of football.
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Point me to the realignment that had anything to do with basketball. I'll wait.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
After 22 years of living through realignment hell, I would have thought that at least some of the UConn fans would understand why some schools are selected in realignment and others are not.

DePaul is in a massive market with a lot of basketball fans that produces a ton of basketball talent. Depaul was a major program at one point and may be again if it ever gets its NIL situation upgraded, which is not impossible in a city the size of Chicago. That is why DePaul is in a major basketball conference.
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I'm aware of market sizes and why they were chosen... but how often has it been bandied about on here that with the death of the cable bundle that markets are less important than the team's following. At this point of time DePaul does not move the needle in a rights deal, regardless of Chicago. Furthermore, Notre Dame was still in the Big East basketball media deal at the time located 90 miles away (albeit technically in a different DMA).

Maybe they will eventually recover... although 30 years of data over the entire time that DePaul has had a conference association with even a quasi-major conference seems to suggest that it's a hope... not an expectation. The same arguments could be made for St. Louis to be in the Big East and no one is clamoring for that, nor does anyone think they bring added value to the upcoming rights negotiation if they were.
 
ScottVib said:
I'm aware of market sizes and why they were chosen... but how often has it been bandied about on here that with the death of the cable bundle that markets are less important than the team's following. At this point of time DePaul does not move the needle in a rights deal, regardless of Chicago. Furthermore, Notre Dame was still in the Big East basketball media deal at the time located 90 miles away (albeit technically in a different DMA).

Maybe they will eventually recover... although 30 years of data over the entire time that DePaul has had a conference association with even a quasi-major conference seems to suggest that it's a hope... not an expectation. The same arguments could be made for St. Louis to be in the Big East and no one is clamoring for that, nor does anyone think they bring added value to the upcoming rights negotiation if they were.
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Brands>Markets

I’m surprised Mr cord cutter @nelsonmuntz hasn’t figured that out.
 
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John said:
Point me to the realignment that had anything to do with basketball. I'll wait.
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Football vs. basketball aren't the two choices, and even someone who is unexplainably nostalgic for the AAC, like you, should know that.

You talk a lot of smack for someone that complains nonstop about leaving the AAC. That conference affiliation was almost catastrophic for UConn athletics, and we would be in a power conference today if the school hadn't done something so catastrophically stupid because they thought it would help football. You do accidentally stumble onto a point though. UConn to the Big East was not just about basketball. It was in part about attempting to save the football program and getting it away from that southern cesspool of a conference that was the AAC. Anyone still complaining about the move from the AAC to Big East should stop following sports and take up another hobby.

Arizona to the Big 12 was mostly about basketball. The Big 12 didn't need both Arizona schools. The Big 12 taking Houston and Cincinnati were about markets first, but basketball was driving any fan interest that Houston had developed and the Big 12 already had a big presence in Texas. Syracuse to the ACC was mostly about hoops since everyone could tell that Syracuse's days of being relevant in football were a distant, distant memory.

Rutgers and Maryland to the Big 10 was entirely about markets. UCLA is about basketball, since the Big 10 doesn't need two LA schools for cable boxes, or whatever their rationale was for adding both.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
Football vs. basketball aren't the two choices, and even someone who is unexplainably nostalgic for the AAC, like you, should know that.

You talk a lot of smack for someone that complains nonstop about leaving the AAC. That conference affiliation was almost catastrophic for UConn athletics, and we would be in a power conference today if the school hadn't done something so catastrophically stupid because they thought it would help football. You do accidentally stumble onto a point though. UConn to the Big East was not just about basketball. It was in part about attempting to save the football program and getting it away from that southern cesspool of a conference that was the AAC. Anyone still complaining about the move from the AAC to Big East should stop following sports and take up another hobby.

Arizona to the Big 12 was mostly about basketball. The Big 12 didn't need both Arizona schools. The Big 12 taking Houston and Cincinnati were about markets first, but basketball was driving any fan interest that Houston had developed and the Big 12 already had a big presence in Texas. Syracuse to the ACC was mostly about hoops since everyone could tell that Syracuse's days of being relevant in football were a distant, distant memory.

Rutgers and Maryland to the Big 10 was entirely about markets. UCLA is about basketball, since the Big 10 doesn't need two LA schools for cable boxes, or whatever their rationale was for adding both.
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Such a fool. Show me a post where I ever said we should've remained in the AAC
 
John said:
Such a fool. Show me a post where I ever said we should've remained in the AAC
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That assertion does not make your posting look better, because it means you are just miserable and like to crap on everything.
 
DFW HOYA said:
Actually, Butler was the shakier add. Had DePaul held its own, it would own Chicago.
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The problem is when they were added they weren't relevant in years. I also agree on butler and why making adds based upon near term success is questionable.
 
Patman said:
The problem is when they were added they weren't relevant in years. I also agree on butler and why making adds based upon near term success is questionable.
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Butler is also in a big city.
 
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Wrapped up Cuse at Clemson and now watching the Johnnies at DePaul. Another game with a sea of empty blue seats. Looks like entire sections are completely empty. Val's gotta look at cutting these guys adrift, zero value there.
 
John said:
Wrapped up Cuse at Clemson and now watching the Johnnies at DePaul. Another game with a sea of empty blue seats. Looks like entire sections are completely empty. Val's gotta look at cutting these guys adrift, zero value there.
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If you show up with a DePaul jersey then they will let you play.
 
ZooCougar said:
If you show up with a DePaul jersey then they will let you play.
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The crowd looks to be about the same size as when we visited there, so they are down to a very small core. They'd fit nice in another conference that plays in gyms.
 
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